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Title: Centre half
Post by: STFC Bart on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:39:13
Think we badly need another centre half- Flint is good but is still learning and we do not seem to have anyone organising us at the back. Goals conceded from set pieces says it all


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:40:54
I hate to single players out for criticism, but you can't hide from the fact that Devera cost us two goals today. Wasn't he at fault at Cheltenham too? Not good.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Processed Beats on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:41:37
Definitely need one. Devera is shite.

I just can't see where we're going to get one though.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: STFC Bart on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:46:27
Reckon we badly need one- it is an area where we look really weak and cant believe that it has not been addressed already


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:49:16
Has everyone forgotten Comazzi exists?

I'm pretty sure he'll come in for Devera once fit.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:50:57
Devera is awful. Can't remember a worse centre back. At least the likes of Ifil had good games occasionally.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:52:09
As mentioned in the other thread, we need a CB to play with Flint. Devera is shit. Perhaps we can get someone in on loan.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:53:01
Has everyone forgotten Comazzi exists?


It would appear so.

I think my Nan would do a better job than Devera.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:53:46
Has everyone forgotten Comazzi exists?

I'm pretty sure he'll come in for Devera once fit.

Out injured, suprisingly


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: stfcinbmth on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:54:11
Has everyone forgotten Comazzi exists?



Seems like it. How long is he out for?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 16:55:05
Out injured, suprisingly

Alot of the foreign players seem to be picking up injuries.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:02:28
Alot of the foreign players seem to be picking up injuries.

Said exactly the same thing earlier.  Not sure if this means they weren't fully fit when bought or we've just been unlucky?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: RJack on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:04:14
Devera is awful. Can't remember a worse centre back. At least the likes of Ifil had good games occasionally.

Thankfully you never had the honour of seeing Terry (wifebeater) Fenwick at the back for us even Devera made him look good & Fenwick of was an England International :-\


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:04:33
Comazzi was fit enough until Daggers, Cibocchi I have no idea, Kerrouch got a knock today which has nothing to do with being fit, Lanzano is back...

Think its just the way its gone really. Nothing to be worried about long term.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: DV on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:13:23
I think we need an experienced, 28+ talkative defensive leader and captain.

De Ja Vu, much?

There - I fucking said it.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: phelpsieboy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:17:32
Comazzi.... that is all


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:19:15
Thats the point. It is all. An ageing, injury prone center back. He's out and we're left with mr. no mark at the back


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: phelpsieboy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:20:45
Yea he's had an injury already, doesn't make him injury prone though, I guess we will soon find out, but in Paolo we trust


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:21:35
We only have 3 cb's. Enough reason to get one, even if all 3 were world class.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: phelpsieboy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:40:29
Oh yea, we have alot of depth in all areas apart from Centre Back, Risser might do a job there, but will be better to bring in a commanding experienced centre back that knows all about what league two strikers are like and can organise the defence well. The concern with Comazzi is that he is only 5 foot 10, not gonna do well against target men to be honest.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: STFC Bart on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 17:45:31
Agree we need a commanding centre half


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:18:27
Agree we need a commanding centre half
It was your fucking thread I'd expect you to agree.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:21:30
Anyone mentioned we need a CB ??



Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:22:29
Nothing like writing off Devera after he has played 3 games, Barnet fans rated him and i'll trust their judgement over our much shorter period of watching him.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: random_five on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:23:23
Agree we need a commanding centre half

We've got one he's called Aden Flint.

You do know that we haven't conceded a goal in open play so far don't you..


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:24:48
Nothing like writing off Devera after he has played 3 games, Barnet fans rated him and i'll trust their judgement over our much shorter period of watching him.

He made a mistake against Crewe and was pretty crap today too.

I've seen enough.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:25:35
We need a centre back.i


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:26:33
Play Risser at CB he is probably more suited to that rule.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: STFC Bart on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:27:22
And your point is? We've conceded more from set plays which makes it even more obvious


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: PocketScience on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:29:18
People keep mentioning Risser as centre back but surely if he was going to play there then he would have when Comazzi was injured v Dagenham rather than Paul Caddis?!

Flint is awesome imo and will only get better. Devera not as shit as he was at Crewe today I thought? I had a lot of lager though so probably not the best judge..


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:32:53
flint did well. The other one was awful.
Duberry was immense for them and i'd love him in our team.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:41:51
It was dissapointing that Duberry didn't put a foot wrong, shows what experience can do for you.

 


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Doore on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:43:09
Duberry was a class above today.  A player like that next to Flint and we'd be sorted back there.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 18:45:19
I think we need an experienced, 28+ talkative defensive leader and captain.

De Ja Vu, much?

There - I fucking said it.

No we don't, Flint fits that bill perfectly. Aside from his age of course but that's just a number.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:25:26
They created 1 chance from open play? I would say tactics need sorting re set pieces rather than a new face altogether


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:27:38
Dont rate Devera, i'd like an experienced CB along side flint. And two players for every position and we only have 3 cb's! we dont even have full backs who can really cover


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:35:04
Devera has 100+ experience at this level.

Comazzi will be Di Canio's answer to what many are calling for.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:36:22
Devera has 100+ experience at this level.

Comazzi will be Di Canio's answer to what many are calling for.

Yes but he's injured. Surely your not saying Devera should start the next game?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:39:12
the only other CB we have is Will Evans and I can't see him coming in next week so unless Comazzi recovers or we get a loan player in it has to be Devera again - perhaps Paolo can use his contact with Harry to get someone from Spurs.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:39:25
I am, assuming he is our only fit CB then it makes no sense to ditch him and play someone else out of position.

We cant ditch the bloke after 3 games.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:40:32
With Comazzi injured, Devera has to play (unfortunately)... Risser isn't going to be a viable option i don't think. It does highlight our lack of options though, for which PdC has to take some stick for his squad building policy.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:43:29
At this early stage of the season I'd rather try Evans or get a loan player in, to be honest. Devera is the weak link in the team.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: adje on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:44:53
Its ironic isn't it?The Centre Half(and Capt) sitting joint top of the division is the guy we all thought was shite when he was here.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:48:14
Depending on how much you value Tuesday's match, i see it as opportunity for him to find some form & work on the basics of marking without costing us any points.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:50:59
Its ironic isn't it?The Centre Half(and Capt) sitting joint top of the division is the guy we all thought was shite when he was here.

I don't think he was shite for us - the defence was a lot more solid after he arrived but unfortunately we peristed in cocking things up at the other end of the field.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:53:53
Last 2 games have seen the opposition with 5 shots on target including a penalty and the 2 set pieces today.On the flip side in those two games we have created 16 shots on target and scored 1 goal.

In open play we are solid(the stats show that) we seriously need to sort the set pieces out and get our strikers scoring because i dont give a fuck what people say if we had taken our chances we wouldnt be highlighting these errors tonight.

Strikers need to accept some of the blame here aswell


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:57:02
Yes but he's injured. Surely your not saying Devera should start the next game?

I didn't offer Comazzi as the solution for Bristol City or Shrewsbury but ultimately he is here as the 'experienced head'.

I would keep Devera in for Bristol City... They have to work on him as opposed to simply going 'let's bring another player in'.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: walrus on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 21:26:37
It's too early to say, but as people have said we have still only conceded goals from set plays.  To me, this is something that can improved in training.

Devera arrived with a decent reputation.  You don't become a bad player overnight.  He was one of the players I was most excited about when he joined.

Three centre backs probably isn't enough, but I'd rather we signed the right players rather than just bodies.

Di Canio previously didn't sign enough strikers.  Now we have an abundance of strikers with another looking set to join, he's being criticised for signing anonymous foreigners who aren't able to cut it in this division.  The man can't win.

Considering we've had bad experience of signing established English players on big wages (Ruddock, Cureton, Thorpe, Prutton, Viveash to name five), I appreciate di Canio is doing something knew.  Whether or not it'll work, only time will tell.

Loans seem to happen at the close of the transfer window, so I imagine di Canio will pull the strings to get a couple of loanees then.  I like the fact he's built a big squad, a luxury we've not had for a while, although the lack of centre half cover is slightly concerning.  That said, I don't want to write off Devera and certainly don't think Will Evans would be a better prospect - he's terrible on Football Manager!!


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 21:33:39
set plays killed us with regards to conceeding, but ours up the other end were decent on the whole. Kennedy's deliveries especially were top notch.

Our midfield is our biggest problem on that showing without any doubt. 3 out of 4 of them were utter shite today. How Rikky otto stayed on that long i'l never know? Matey did more in the last 15 mins than he did in the previous 75.

More creativity in midfield and we would have won today. A high scoring game but we would have had enough i think


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: STFC Bart on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 21:37:17
Devera was part of a Barnet side that struggled against relegation- make of that what you will.

We do have a good footballing side, much better than the scum. However the issue is that you do not get out of league 2 signing up a team of footballers- you need physicality or you will get found out especially away from home.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 21:40:20
Di Canio has made a lot of mistakes so far in my opinion. Bit of a risk having 3 CBs but I guess he is planning on bringing one in on loan. Having said that he hasn't really done Devera's confidence much good in my opinion. Dropping him from the squad one game and then starting him the next. I guess he had no choice but to me that isn't going to help the lads confidence at all and it goes back to the point of not having enough CBs. Putting Caddis to CB against Dagenham was an error as well. I'm not claiming Risser can be a good CB but surely it's worth a go much more so than Caddis. It's clear that we have plenty of cover for CM so why not? It was the obvious choice in that game.

On the striker front why oh why does he persist with De Vita? He's done nothing. Start Connell who's looked lively every time he has come on. I dont get it. Tactically we haven't really seen much of him yet but the set piece defending isn't great. Sure that can be sorted but hopefully sooner rather than later. He needs to start playing a settled side. I feel that way we can start to come together more as a team.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 21:41:28
Devera was part of a Barnet side that struggled against relegation- make of that what you will.

We do have a good footballing side, much better than the scum. However the issue is that you do not get out of league 2 signing up a team of footballers- you need physicality or you will get found out especially away from home.

i'm going to disagree with you as i thought poxford passed the ball better than us. We lumped it forward to Clarke and had good set plays but apart from that not alot at all really for a team at home.
for all that training they've had i felt we were a bit behind oxford to be honest. It was all to comfortable for them in the second half.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: SCM on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 21:56:53
Some piss-stained cunt's been at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Flint


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: phelpsieboy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:02:35
Cant see anything on there SCM ....


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:06:46
Cant see anything on there SCM ....

On the right hand side someone's changed his name to "Aden cocksucker Flint"


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: SCM on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:07:02
You think 'cocksucker' his genuinely his middle name?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: phelpsieboy on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:10:04
Totally missed the cocksucker part, nice to see he is infact 6 foot 8 on there too  :beers:


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: RJack on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:18:10
I think it's been changed


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: adje on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:31:56
.

Considering we've had bad experience of signing established English players on big wages  Viveash


????


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: The Frog on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:34:40
Im not being funny but you need to give devera a chance, he's only played 3 games. yes agreed he does look rusty but comazzi didnt exactly look sharp when he played at daggers. Maybe an experienced been there done it Cb on a short loan just to let the players settle.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:44:46
i'm going to disagree with you as i thought poxford passed the ball better than us. We lumped it forward to Clarke and had good set plays but apart from that not alot at all really for a team at home.
for all that training they've had i felt we were a bit behind oxford to be honest. It was all to comfortable for them in the second half.
At times maybe, but Gabilondo tore two successive right backs to shreds when he came on, Clarke should have scored one chance and was wrongly given offside for another, their keeper made a good save from Ritchie... they didn't have it easy at all

As for the passing... there was a lot of long ball, but we did make much more of an attempt to bring it out from the back, and we did stretch the play to the wings more, with caddis bombing forward and Ferry looking to move the ball about more than any of the other CMs has done so far this year


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:50:26
ferry was shit,and i've already said Gabi did more in 15 than rikki otto did in 75.
They did have it easy as they sat back and were pretty untroubled second half. Routine save from Ritchie(easily our best midfielder)but granted Clarke should have scored


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: leefer on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 22:51:54
Agree about Ferry,he looks half the player we got when he signed.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:03:30
Di Canio has made a lot of mistakes so far in my opinion. Bit of a risk having 3 CBs but I guess he is planning on bringing one in on loan. Having said that he hasn't really done Devera's confidence much good in my opinion. Dropping him from the squad one game and then starting him the next. I guess he had no choice but to me that isn't going to help the lads confidence at all and it goes back to the point of not having enough CBs. Putting Caddis to CB against Dagenham was an error as well. I'm not claiming Risser can be a good CB but surely it's worth a go much more so than Caddis. It's clear that we have plenty of cover for CM so why not? It was the obvious choice in that game.

On the striker front why oh why does he persist with De Vita? He's done nothing. Start Connell who's looked lively every time he has come on. I dont get it. Tactically we haven't really seen much of him yet but the set piece defending isn't great. Sure that can be sorted but hopefully sooner rather than later. He needs to start playing a settled side. I feel that way we can start to come together more as a team.

Totally agree with this.  Some of his decisions have been strange and we can only hope it's naievity and he's learning from them?   The policy of starting a player then dropping them out of the squad completelye and then restarting them is no good for player or team morale.  The Timlin situation is not good either - is he still training even?

Unfortunately with players out injured, I don't think we'll see Di Canio's first choice  11 for a while, so in the meantime he needs to decide on his makeshift 11 and try and get some consistency.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: oxford_fan on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:12:57
Caddis looked a decent player - good runs. He was wearing 7 but playing RB, is he naturally a midfielder?

De Vita was utter shite and Connell looked much more dangerous.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:17:18
Caddis looked a decent player - good runs. He was wearing 7 but playing RB, is he naturally a midfielder?

De Vita was utter shite and Connell looked much more dangerous.
Agree on all counts. I don't think even Caddis knows whether he's a defender or midfielder. I prefer him in midfield as we have a perfectly good right back in Kevin Amankwaah but he's done a Milan Misun.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: leefer on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:18:41
What it shows me is that if a player is poor he will drop them,we have the squad now so unlike last season we have players to step in now...Lando,Kerouche looked hungry.
Timlin is piss poor Joe and is lucky to be here....he has had four years to get his act together and i can count on one hand his good games,you can't diss the manager.
As for Connell looking lively?...think i might have missed something there as i think De Vita is a better player myself at the present time.
His decisions will not seem so strange when we get the results.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:21:35
I don't think caddis's delivery is good enough to be a winger


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:22:17
Caddis looked a decent player - good runs. He was wearing 7 but playing RB, is he naturally a midfielder?

De Vita was utter shite and Connell looked much more dangerous.
Agree with all of that... and we've been saying the same about De Vita and Connell for the past 3 games. Can't see De Vita starting against City.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: DV on Sunday, August 21, 2011, 23:31:05
Timlin is piss poor

No, he isnt.

It seems our defence lacks a leader - just like last season. Comazzi was suppose to the be the answer to this but he's injured. Hopefully he does the job - if he cant, then thats still the piece of the puzzle we are missing.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: juddie on Monday, August 22, 2011, 10:17:07
Can't see De Vita starting against City.

been saying that for three games as well! his run needs to come to an end, he offers very little.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Benzel on Monday, August 22, 2011, 10:49:21
Has everyone forgotten Comazzi exists?

I'm pretty sure he'll come in for Devera once fit.
Yeah but everyone knows a squad needs 4 CB's. Not 3.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, August 22, 2011, 11:44:16
been saying that for three games as well! his run needs to come to an end, he offers very little.
I think a few of us have. But having been taken off at half time yesterday, I don't see how Di Canio could choose to start him.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bosey on Monday, August 22, 2011, 17:14:55
Where is Milan Misun?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Parkin09 on Monday, August 22, 2011, 17:15:46
Who knows?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: corner on Monday, August 22, 2011, 17:25:23
Where is Milan Misun?
I supose he would know lukas magera......


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bosey on Monday, August 22, 2011, 17:29:04
I supose he would know lukas magera......

Good point, didn't think of that! He was highly rated when he joined Celtic but i don't think he has actually played a competitive game since he did?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: DV on Monday, August 22, 2011, 17:35:31
He's not real

con job.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bosey on Monday, August 22, 2011, 17:41:38
Wikipedia (The ever accurate source of all factual truths) states he is still at Celtic as he never officially signed a contract.. The BBC say he is under contract with Town but injured for a season +

I'm glad this forum exists to put to bed all rumours and confirm he doesnt exist!


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: nestorlorenzo on Monday, August 22, 2011, 18:03:14
I spoke to him at the County Ground back in May and all he said he was injured and hoped to be back in October. But he isnt in the team photo is he ? Or has a squad number ?


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: corner on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 07:05:15
Sounds like we could have one in by end of the week a young lad from the PL. :clap:


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 07:51:39
The club should always run anagram checker to get the true picture of who they are signing. If they had then they would have known they would be 'minus il man'

Michael Timlin = mini male itch
Kevin Amankawah = Heman wank a Vika


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:27:47
Based on this theory, we've just signed A Real Ska Mug


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: MichaelPook on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 14:47:07
Will be a loanee from Spurs - Chris Ramsey is the assistant to Spurs youth team and I reckon he will sort out a good 2nd year trainee for us - William Ekong or Ramil Sheriff if I was a betting man



Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 14:51:30
You may not be a betting man, but you sure are a Football Manager man.


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 14:52:03
Will be a loanee from Spurs - Chris Ramsey is the assistant to Spurs youth team and I reckon he will sort out a good 2nd year trainee for us - William Ekong or Ramil Sheriff if I was a betting man



Once again you make a statement as fact


and once again I will hunt you down and kick your bollocks off when you are proved wrong


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Bosey on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 15:02:57
Based on this theory, we've just signed A Real Ska Mug

And a military coca cola fan!

Kernel Cola!


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, August 25, 2011, 11:44:04
Once again you make a statement as fact


and once again I will hunt you down and kick your bollocks off when you are proved wrong

Fatbury you cunt


Title: Re: Centre half
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, August 25, 2011, 14:51:57
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: