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Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: yeo on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:37:42
It was always going to happen but this fact makes it no less shocking.

What has made me sit up and think is the way the people effected have responded.Its sad but events like this make me proud to be British.There is something about the British attitude that makes us all stand together in times of need.

A report on the news mentioned a group of buliders runn
ing from their site and offering to give blood.This to me sums up the spirit of our people and makes me proud,as does the way the victims and emergency services have acted.

As I type this Galloway is trying to score political points on News Night.Sick sick man!


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:43:08
Agreed.

I'm fairly un-patriotic and at the weekend I got really angry at the attitudes of many British people towards Live8 and poverty in third world countries, but today proved that as a nation we've got a really fucking resilient spirit.

All credit goes out to the men and women from the emergency services, they dealt with it fantastically.

Personally I hope that innocent British muslims aren't caught up in the racial tension which will no doubt soon appear.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: yeo on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:44:00
Also this seems a little petty with people losing friends and relatives but I hope OST is ok.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:46:23
Isn't he from Essex?


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: STFC Village on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:47:00
Agree with all that YR, particularly with Galloway comments, that man is a tool :x


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: yeo on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:52:42
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
Isn't he from Essex?


Im sure he works in London,he's a memeber of that London red thing.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:53:55
hmm you've got me thinking now :|


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 22:54:20
My parents were in London today and a lot of my family is from London but all are ok luckily.

For me this is far more significant than the 11th september attacks. I hope there aren't any more attacks.

OST is from near Braintree in Essex I think.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: walrus on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:01:16
I'm pretty thick-skinned, as you may have assumed, but stories such as the builders you mentioned, brought tears to my eyes.  I work in Gatwick airport so I was particularly affected in that many people were scared of flying, but it really was admirable of the efforts I heard people going to, and the resiliance of the British people.

My instant reaction, ashamedly, was to rid England of fundamental religion, whether it be Muslim, Hinduism or Christianity, as I think it is ultimately a force which drives people to extreme acts (personal opinion - not a fan of religion).  Now, I am just relieved at a "relatively" low death toll, and hope the ****s responsible are satisfied at their efforts and won't go to more extreme lengths.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:09:18
I quite agree YR.  I know what I'm about to say pales into insignificance compared to today, but I got a sense of that at Glastonbury this year - there were people who woke up floating on their air beds, did they let it beat them, of course they didn't.  It's amazing how thick skinned we humans, and especially us Brits can be when we're dealt a dudd hand.

I also gave the victims of the Tsunami a thought while trudging through the water - it really made me imagine how truly awful it must have been for those who survived it.  We were slightly put out on the whole, but one of my mates thought it was the end of the world - when I pointed out the tsunami he, having travelled aroung Thailand etc, felt absolutely ashamed with himself.

As I say Glasto really does pale compared to this, but all the same us Brits will never let anything beat us.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:23:40
I know it sounds terrible but I can't help thinking how much worse it might have been.

The loss of life, injuries and worry it has caused is shocking no doubt about it but it could have been so much worse given the circumstances.

The event should be marked and remembered respectfully but not dwelled upon.  If the events of yesterday are turned into a crazed media paranoia circus it will only play into the hands of those responsible and encourage them.  

In great British fashion we should pay our respects, stick two fingers up and crack on with it.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Amir on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:24:02
Cowards, the lot of them.  They think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unfair because we stayed at a distance as much as possible, yet they pick on innocent people and think it is honorable.  And attacking London, there is a very good chance they killed muslims as well, same as the 2/300 who died September 11th.  

You will find justice, and you'll get no virgins I promise you.  If we are on this earth for a reason, then it is not killing.  Their interpretation of Islam is the most backwards it has been in it's existance, my only consolation in this is that I know they're wrong.  You will find only torment.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: STFC Village on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:27:16
Quote from: "Amir"
the 2/300 who died September 11th
I think it was a few more than that......


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:31:35
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "Amir"
the 2/300 who died September 11th
I think it was a few more than that......


Means Muslims killed, not the total killed.  That said, I'm not sure of the numbers involved myself.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Amir on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:34:42
The only thing I can find on google says 200-400.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: STFC Village on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:35:34
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "Amir"
the 2/300 who died September 11th
I think it was a few more than that......


Means Muslims killed, not the total killed.  That said, I'm not sure of the numbers involved myself.
Sorry, i'm being very slow on the uptake tonight :oops:


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:38:19
Quote from: "Amir"
Cowards, the lot of them.  They think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unfair because we stayed at a distance as much as possible, yet they pick on innocent people and think it is honorable.  And attacking London, there is a very good chance they killed muslims as well, same as the 2/300 who died September 11th.  

You will find justice, and you'll get no virgins I promise you.  If we are on this earth for a reason, then it is not killing.  Their interpretation of Islam is the most backwards it has been in it's existance, my only consolation in this is that I know they're wrong.  You will find only torment.


A couple of close mates both lapsed Muslims spoke to me a while back and said that in a lot of quarters they are seen by the Terrorists pretty much in the same way Westerners are.

The difference being is that Muslims are prime recruitment territory and Islam gives these groups an instrument and justification for their actions.

A campaign against oppressive Western Governments or a Jihad?  The latter certainly has a truer ring to it if you where looking for a cause.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Amir on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:50:43
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A couple of close mates both lapsed Muslims spoke to me a while back and said that in a lot of quarters they are seen by the Terrorists pretty much in the same way Westerners are.


Make you right that they would consider alot of muslims in the centre of London as legitimate targets.  Loads of young people from muslim backgrounds couldn't give a flying fuck about religion, they are about as islamic are we are Church of England.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 7, 2005, 23:59:39
What scares me (and I think I said it on the other post as well) is that the likely backlash against muslims (we've already seen it a bit on this forum) is likely to drive a lot of, particuarly young, muslims to people who preach extremist views. When in reality all muslims are as inocent as the rest of us.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Nils on Friday, July 8, 2005, 00:51:18
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My instant reaction, ashamedly, was to rid England of fundamental religion, whether it be Muslim, Hinduism or Christianity, as I think it is ultimately a force which drives people to extreme acts (personal opinion - not a fan of religion).


I dont think this has anything to do with religion really. It is all political. Sorry if that sounds abrupt but I am christian (proper practising) but I wouldnt dream of doing anything like what we have seen today.

On a final note well done to the emergency services and all those who helped out. And to say that the families of the dead are all in our thoughts.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: walrus on Friday, July 8, 2005, 05:23:45
Quote from: "richard hatchard"
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My instant reaction, ashamedly, was to rid England of fundamental religion, whether it be Muslim, Hinduism or Christianity, as I think it is ultimately a force which drives people to extreme acts (personal opinion - not a fan of religion).


I dont think this has anything to do with religion really. It is all political. Sorry if that sounds abrupt but I am christian (proper practising) but I wouldnt dream of doing anything like what we have seen today.

On a final note well done to the emergency services and all those who helped out. And to say that the families of the dead are all in our thoughts.


As politics often drives people to blow themselves up....  People who go to such extreme lengths are surely brainwashed as a result of fundamental religion - something which is a far cry from attending church once a week....

Personally, I see no realistic way of stopping disasters like this, which makes it all the more worrying.  It was horrible yesterday knowing people with relatives in London but unable to get through due to jammed phonelines.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: faringdingdong on Friday, July 8, 2005, 08:06:35
Quote from: "Amir"
Cowards, the lot of them.  They think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unfair because we stayed at a distance as much as possible, yet they pick on innocent people and think it is honorable.  And attacking London, there is a very good chance they killed muslims as well, same as the 2/300 who died September 11th.  

You will find justice, and you'll get no virgins I promise you.  If we are on this earth for a reason, then it is not killing.  Their interpretation of Islam is the most backwards it has been in it's existance, my only consolation in this is that I know they're wrong.  You will find only torment.


Well said mate.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 8, 2005, 08:44:32
Found out late last night that a mate from college was on the train in kings cross, she had to go to hospital due to minor cuts etc.  Shes very lucky but also extremely angry.  I may be called a racist but I believe this is a muslim problem, not all of them but the minority and if they want to regain our trust and respect the muslim community needs to sort this out before there is a huge up rising in young english people who will resort to turf wars.  I am not condoning it however I understand the anger amoung the english people.

Must say all my step family in london are part of the emergency services, many had been on night duty prior to this, and are now still at work.  Hearts of steel this country and I wouldnt change it for anything.  The pricks who did this will never win. Its time Blair stood up and was counted and get this country back to a 'we take no shit' nation


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: @MacPhlea on Friday, July 8, 2005, 09:08:02
Quote from: "richard hatchard"
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My instant reaction, ashamedly, was to rid England of fundamental religion, whether it be Muslim, Hinduism or Christianity, as I think it is ultimately a force which drives people to extreme acts (personal opinion - not a fan of religion).


I dont think this has anything to do with religion really. It is all political. Sorry if that sounds abrupt but I am christian (proper practising) but I wouldnt dream of doing anything like what we have seen today.

On a final note well done to the emergency services and all those who helped out. And to say that the families of the dead are all in our thoughts.


We are dealing with somethng that the west does not comprehend - whenever we have gone to war our sole objective it to return home alive and see our friends and family again - islamic extremist on other hand leave home with the intention of dying and taking out as many infidels as possible - you can't negotiate with that and it makes even the IRA appear to have morals - at least they gave warnings.

Religion is like a marketing banner for extremists, it has three effects, for some it justifies the cause, for others it gives a reason to support it but in all cases it's the one thing that seperates one group of people from another - take away religious difference and more countries would live in peace.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Johno on Monday, July 11, 2005, 07:01:24
it was really sad to hear it from ibiza, felt completely detached from it and therefore didn't really think about it, of course being back and now knowing more..it is shocking, fucking terroists!  :x


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: janaage on Monday, July 11, 2005, 10:46:13
I'm in the thank God it wasn't a lot worse brigade.  I know it's a horrible thing to say, 50 odd deaths is dreadful, but in all seriousness it could have been a lot worse.

60 odd years ago thousands of deaths and thousands of bombs in London and other cities failed to extinguish the Great British spirit so this isn't gonna stop us from believing in our way of life.

I too, am a very proud, but angry, British person this week.


Title: My Thoughts From Todays Events
Post by: Spud on Monday, July 11, 2005, 11:43:03
I was in Alcudia when i heard the news, very sad indeed but i was very proud at the way everybody came together to help each other out.