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Morning Townenders, and yes it is that 'fucking useless' co-com' from yesterday in case you were wondering. I'm not on here to offer a defence of myself for yesterday's coms - though am happy to conceed that for my part it could have been a lot better.

I'm on here today because I am appalled at the sheer nastyness and vitriol directed against Vic M..much of it completely nasty and gratuituous. Fine if many of you guys don't like his coms and you might have a point about his excitement levels when the oppo score but just postings like...Vic is a Cunt is neither big nor clever. Let me tell you that that guy drives all the way from his home in Exeter to report on the team he loves with a passion. It's so fucking easy for dickwads in front of a PC to type any sort of crap whilst half listening to the radio.

Firstly, the ISDN link failed as the coms went to air...this was nobody's fault...though a few of you manged to blame Vic for that. It was only down to his quick thinking and profesionalism that h=the link was re-established...and that meant that a clear descripton of Dossevi's goal was impossible for him...and i could only partially see it. So grow up. these things happen even on 5Live for fuck's sake. If certain people are gonna jump down the throat of any com for getting confused then perhaps u'd be better off going to the games yourselves once in a while, form your own opinions rather then moaning for the sake of it. I apologise personally for trying to bring a degree of humour into proceedings especially when one of the players is down injured and nothing is happening. I think whats going on here is that many of you can't get over the fact that ED has gone and...sorry kids he ain't coming back! Get over it. One last thing. Vic is a fan, as am I, and it hurts to tell anyone listening that the team are losing/have lost. Vic has gthe same emotions and frustrations that you do when we are not performing...so try and remember that before you callhim a cunt...again. Its your right to be critical but try and show a little more creativity and humour in what u say...useless cunt is just not funny. Though the guy who thought we should be on TMS did make me laugh. Rember it wasnt that long ago Brunell were literally ruining STFC coverage. Oh and tough titties I'll be back at Rochdale! Nobody had a good game y'day (aprt from Lucas) and i'd include the coms in that...we are human and have off days too just that same as you...try and remember that before hitting ur keyboards next time.

I was going to write a constructive and reasonable reply to your post but seeing as you filled yours with petty digs at us, I'll respond in kind.

If you don't like what is on these forums, fuck off.

Firstly, I'm glad I made you laugh with the TMS comment. I like TMS, a lot, but the style doesn't really work in a fast paced game.

I appreciate that the technical problems are beyond your control, and that some of the personal comments about Vic in particular from some posters were unneccessary, and if any of them were mine, which I don't think they were, I apologize. That doesn't change the fact that those two hours of yesterday represented the worst commentary on live sport I've ever heard.

Vic is clearly a very passionate man, and a lot of people who've met him haven't got a bad word to say about him. However, when doing play-by-play commentary you need to have some degree of detachment from the game in order to keep the people listening at home informed; yesterday every goal came with essentially no buildup, and there have been a few games, notably Walsall, where the listener at home couldn't even tell which team has scored. That's just amateurish. Vic, to me, appears to be a co-commentator who's being asked to do a job he's not suited to.

As for your own contribution, I'm aware from your other posts that you've done it before, and I don't remember any of those occasions so I presume you weren't as bad before, but you hardly spoke about the game and kept de-railing Vic with mentions of Gyms, Funeral Directors et al.

All in all, it led to a horrible two hours of listening. I didn't turn it off, but I was far more tempted than I have been recently. I appreciate that it's good to be back on Radio Swindon, but that commentary was worse than anything Brunel FM ever offered up.

I hope that's slightly more constructive.

Was at the game, didn't know there was such a who-har going on.

Vic is a legend in my book from the 80's. :D

Never really listen now...though. :no:

It's admirable what he does. But he's not good enough, on the occasions that I have to work and listen on the radio I have no real clue as to what's going on. He gets too excited. I remember thinking we'd scored a goal he was shouting so much. Turns out it went out for a goal kick. I'm not sure which game this was now, I was in Dagenham yesterday so have no clue of the problems you had. Or who you are, or what terrible jokes you were coming out with ;)

I await a thinly veiled dig at my intelligence.

Nothing personal against Vic, I just want to know what is going in in a game without having to guess using crowd noises.

As for the "he's a cunt" comments, I can see why that may be upsetting. Personally I think the context (wrong word I know) of the forum is not obvious. Such language is often used without it meant as a personal attack on anyone. I'd just take it as meaning his commentary isn't to taste.

I didn't hear much of yesterdays game, just basing it on all the other games I have heard.

I like Vic, his passion is infectious and even if he doesn't give a detailed description of play you usually have a good idea of what's going on - I don't really expect much more than that. Yesterday was abysmal though, combined with the constant jitters with STFCplayer and your co-commentary nonsense it was almost unlistenable.

Vic Morgan is a c**t

Maybe some of the comments were unnecessarily harsh and I don't doubt his enthusiasm or his love of Swindon Town.  However, he makes it very difficult to follow what is going on and I am often envisaging Swindon attacking in my head when it's actually the opposing team.  

Pericards goal at Walsall was an absolute classic. To anyone listening, there was nothing of any note going on and then suddenly a goal is scored, but for around 5 seconds we don't even know whether it's Swindon or Walsall!  Also, the actual score is not given enough.  Not everyone is able to listen to the game from start to finish and on more than one occasion I've returned to my car and had to try and work out the score by the noise of the crowd of the commentator's tone of voice, therefore having no clue whatsoever until it's finally casually mentioned 10 minutes later!

clit?
cast?
cart?
chat?
cist?

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cunt

but at least he is our cunt, so cheer up and listen to the more sensible posters for next time

Listen to you at tthe dale c*-c*m!

I did't make any comments yesterday but i agree with most on here that he gets to excited when the opposition score and confuses people whether it's us or them who have scored,as someone mentioned there is hardly any build up to the goals and before you know it the ball is in the back of the net and we are wondering is it them or us who have just scored,Just a thought but maybe if he did't get so excited when the opposition score we would know who has scored.

I don't think the petty comment from you about try going to a game now and then helps your case and to be honest it sounded like something i would read on the adver forum,Most people on here go to the games and most have season tickets but not everyone has the money to go to away games with a lot of us with kid's mortgages and having to work etc so we rely on the radio or stfcworld.

Yesterdays commentary was by far the worst i've heard.
 

 I wouldn't take it to heart mate....those on here who slag off Vic really are a bunch of cunts.

 But that's your audience....and not a lot you can do about it.

I was at the game yesterday but I've listen a few times on the radio this season to know what it's like.

I remember when Ed Hadwin wasn't very good and commentating but by the end of his tenure he'd obviously learnt a lot, gained experience and taken a lot of criticism on board because he turned into a really good commentator.

My constructive criticism to Vic would be that he needs to be more descriptive, especially when a goal goes in. Unlike tv commentary, radio is very unforgiving in that respect. I think it's actually great Vic gets excited, if he could describe the goal and the build up whilst being excited it would be very interesting commentary.

As for the OP's little jibes back. Oh dear. The BBC is supposed to be a professional outfit and we pay good money for that service. If you'd had any sort of professionalism you'd have refrained from comment. If I called my company's clients 'dickwads' I'd be instantly sacked.

I wonder if we sent your post to the Beeb whether they'd let you back for Rochdale. Lucky for you I'm not feeling that petty and don't really care that much.

I don't hate the bloke but left work Tuesday night just after kick off - stuck the radio on drove home went in the house put the radio on and still hadn't heard the scoreline mentioned once?? But I knew how Chippenham, Sailsbury etc etc were getting on?!

Shaun Hodgetts is the best Town commentator.

I see Vic like the Michael Pook of commentary. Wholehearted, but never going to be the most technically gifted, divides opinion and would probably flourish at somewhere other than his hometown club.

Probably a bad shout calling your audience names though, co-commentator. Especially this audience.

I never listen to the commentary so can't comment on it, but the pre and post stuff is ok.

But if the original poster is who he says he is there is absolutely no excuse or justification for the rant, let alone the foul language. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially when it comes to the BBC, if you don't like it you need to either ignore it or show some control in your response. Wouldn't be a bad idea to get this thread deleted as if you are genuine and it gets back to the BBC, you'll be fucked and out of a job.

Keep it and let him sweat.

I listened to that yesterday and didn't have a problem with Vic, because he's well he's just Vic isn't he. What I did have a problem with was the utter fuckwit who kept talking over Vic to get some fucking awful pun or attempt at humour in when there was [apparently] a football match going on.

Not going to call Vic a cunt as he has a genuine enthusiasm for the town which comes through on the radio, even if he does get a bit excited and make it impossible to know who has scored. Thats the fun of listening to local radio commentators I guess.

What isn't fun in listening to local radio however, is you get frustrated comedians turned radio hacks who end up using their 90 minutes airtime they should be talking about football, to instead try and cram as many petty little one liners in and turn the whole show into an open mic night. Thats what pissed me off.
OP you were a fucking disgrace mate Vic can look out for himself I'd be worried about your own dire showing on yesterdays performance!

Try talking about the football next time and save your own unique brand of dry humour for the mirror eh?

"Well you don't wake up when the sleep is nearly over..."

Awful.

Neil, you are obviously not a regular visitor to this forum otherwise you would know that being called a cunt is part of the humour of the forum, in everyday life it is "nastyness" as you put it but on this forum it is just run of the mill banter, you haven't been accepted unless you have been called a cunt so chill out.  Nobody has anything personal against you or Vic but everyone has a right to comment on the job that you are doing, if you can't take the critisicm then maybe you should not be putting yourself up for commentary on a BBC radio station that is broadcasting to thousands of frustrated football fans that would rather be at the game.

You post has just shown you in exactly the same light in which you are complaining about, petty digs at us fans because we were not at the game yesterday and maybe we should travel to more games. That is a very general statement to make from somebody that has been put in a privelaged position of being able to report back what is happening to those fans that are hanging on every word that you say, and you wonder why the frustration came out when we sat for 2 hours not having a clue what is going on.

You were there to provide a service to us, the licence payer, and if we want to complain about the service provided then we have every right to do that, we didn't do it on a BBC forum we did it on fans forum which was created to allow us to vent our spleen within our own community and not have restictions on what we say, it was your choice to come on and read what was being said and now that you have responded with your views you have to expect us to be able to respond to you.

Maybe you and Vic should take on board the things being said as constructive criticism, no matter if you believe that they were relayed in the wrong way, and attempt to improve on the service that us the paying customer is getting, instead of accusing us of being non commited fans for not being there.  If it wasn't for us then there would be no need for the service that you are being asked to provide.  Did you pay for your ticket?  If you were not on Radio Swindon would you have been at the match?  All totally irrelevent, but the same sort of accusations that you are throwing at us.

If I receive criticism from my customers in my work, I listen to those criticisms and try to resolve or improve on them, even if they are on a medium that is meant for a specific community, the one thing I wouldn't do is go on the attack with the people that I am providing that service for because that would be just plain stupid.

I look forward to the Rochdale commentary and finding about the local businesses that are running in the area.

It works for Mark Lawrenson, I always enjoy his non stop one liners when he commentates.

I only listened partly yesterday. I was sat in the car for 15 minute (no phone signal) and it took 15 min utes for someone to mention it was 1-1 (it was still 1-0 last id heard) but as JFW mentioned. I knew how Chippenham and Salisbury and Bolton and Southampton were doing!

I didnt listen to any more of the game.

I've listened a few times this season and the harsh truth is, Vic isnt a good commentator. He comes across like a fan who is doing commentary. If he was a guest (like Rob Hartley is it?) it would make sense but as far as I am aware Vic is a proper employee of the BBC? paid to commentate?

Alot of the time the second commentator is an ex-player, current player, fan etc so can get away with being shit (if they are) because its not their actual job.

Ed Hadwin was a commentator doing commentary and it showed, he was good at what he did. He is not a Swindon fan, but its not impossible to be a Swindon fan and be a good commentator, Shaun Hodgetts does it very well - and I really have no idea why he isnt the main match day commentator every week?

As far as I am aware (or remember) I've never called Vic a name or what not but his commentary sucks ass and on more than one occasion due to his tone of voice and description (or lack there of) I've thought something else had happened that didnt happen! the whole point of the commentary is to keep me(us) informed!

Also, it is Vic who does the after match interviews as well isnt it? because I think they've been good and he's not hid away from asking difficult questions after a defeat.

Not defending the tone of neil's post etc but as a point of note for those having a go at his lack of professionalism, saying he should be out of a job and generally seeming to be under the impression he's a BBC employee, he's not. The co-commentators are not pros, and they're not paid. They're usually fans (or sometimes (ex)-players, with the occasional chairman throw in for good measure!) and are AFAIK selected on that basis, to give a fan's view alongside the main commentator. None of which makes his rant any better, but I think expecting him to be a representative of the BBC is a bit harsh.

Oh and for the record, I couldn't make the game yesterday so listened on the radio and I didn't have a damn clue what was happening most of the game. I don't have a problem with VM getting over-excited about goals, but if he described the build-up properly then we'd know which side had scored. That's the failing IMO, not actually telling us what you're seeing. He seems like a great bloke, passionate fan etc and doesn't deserve to be called a cunt, but if you're after constructive criticism, that's it - describe the game because we can't see it.

Well I assumed he was an unpaid guest of the BBC, but why should he get the opportunity if he's going to slag off the fans.

listen fella dont go on  public broadcasting media if you cant take criticism.

I am

He's biting back at people slagging off his mate. Seems fair enough to me. Some of the reactions have been a bit like everyone going all holier than thou when a player gives some back after they've been giving him dogs abuse all game. I think we're all big enough to take it

He was still in a privelaged position whether he was paid or not.  Not me personally but I am sure there are people on here that would love the chance to have a go.  I would be interested to see what Juddie has to say about it, he has always done a decent job and doesn't see the requirement to have a dig at the fans, he just comes on here and calls us cunts like everyone else! :D

yes but juddie IS a cunt.

Its a shame he isnt

I think we are big enough to take it, but we are allowed to respond to his criticism in the same way that he responded to ours.  It's not like we have gone on the BBC forum is it?

All well and good Paul, but on this evidence there will be fuck all done about improving the programme.

Yeah, fair do's. I just don't get this "Ooh, you're not allowed to have a go at the fans" like we're all delicate little flowers. We're not, we're all cunts too, that's why we're on here :)

Dead right there Reg.. I  can't think of a sadder way to spend Saturday afternoon than half-listening to a commentary waiting with fingers poised over my keyboard waiting for a com to make a mistake.

I listened on World yesterday and found the balance of description of the game and TMS-style banter during quiet periods and stoppages about right - listen to today's Radio 5 commentaries and you'll get about the same. OK, it's all about opinions, but personally I find Vic's passion for the game far preferable and easier to listen to than Ed Hadwin's slightly dull presentation. It was entertaining and I got a good feel for what was going on, from both of the team.

Yes, Vic has a habit of sounding over-excited when the opposition score, and Neil's admitted that above, but anyone who was listening yesterday would have heard Vic and Neil immediately decribe exactly how Scannell was given too much time to turn and shoot, where he was in the box and who he was being marked by, all in the space of about 5 seconds. I doubt if anyone on here could come close to that, certainly not me. Checking other people's reports from the game, they described all three goals perfectly, which is what you want from a commentary team.

Maybe Neil shouldn't have risen to the bait, but to be fair to him he was defending someone without whose broadcasting expertise there'd have been no commentary at all yesterday, if I know anything about ISDN links.

what the fuck is TMS you cunt??

Course we're all cunts, but that doesn't mean to say that Neil/Vic aren't cunts too, which is what his original post was complaining about.  It looks like Neil just takes life a little too seriously!

Bless, maybe he needs to change his saturday afternoon hobby!

Whether he's paid or not he's still a representative of the BBC. Personally I don't give a fuck what he says but I'm pretty sure not everyone will view it that way. I don't think anyone has said he's not allowed to have a go either as most people here give as good as they get, more that a moment of madness (possibly while nursing a hangover) could come back to haunt him if he wants to carry on doing it.

SMS for dyslexics?

Isn't it the old freeview music channel?

I don't think anyone really moaned about the ISDN thing, but when a build up to goal consists of "and it's in the back of the net" when we haven't even got a clue that the ball is in play then there is a problem.  This happen for the 2 broadcasted goals yesterday.

I think the commentary is fine and thought matey was fine as well.

Stick that in your moany fucking pipes!

Yeo is officially a cunt

Wow, there's some feisty stuff on here ??? I'd love to hear what the fuss is all about..I wonder if it will be in i-player :hmmm:

Bastard. It's not available. You should be able to listen to it now >:(

I wouldn't bother. I think the point is, it's a fuss over nothing, just a few keyboard warriors with nothing better to do yesterday afternoon.

No, its about Vic's commentary being not very good.

It is Dave, but I can see from the outside how the comments come across as OTT.

I agree, although most of the comments in this section are more so constructive than insulting. I think everything should get taken with a pinch of salt in the match day threads, more so when we are losing. Emotion and pissed offness gets the better of alot of us.

We are all calmer in this thread, doesnt change the fact the service they are providing isnt good enough.

Very true.

But it is very stressful listening to Town on the radio. It's bad enough when we are winning but much worse when the game is going against us.

The point is this is a fuss over nothing, and something that would have just gone away like most matchday threads, but this thread was started by a commentator, not by any "keyboard warriors".  There was nothing said yesterday that hasn't been said every week so far this season, so there must be something wrong somewhere?  Or are you just being a keyboard warrior trying to keep the fuss going?

More OCD than OTT.

Sorry, but no. It just represents the fact that there are  6 (by my counting) people who didn't like the commentary yesterday. Are they representative of all the listeners? I've no idea.

As i actually said in that thread the commentary doesn't usually bother me but that yesterday was fucking awful from both of them.

As for the original poster i didn't call him a cunt yesterday because i didn't want to hurt his feelings but as he is a big boy i will now.

You are by far the worse fucking cunt i have ever heard on the radio.By the way we didn't need the play offs in the league2 season and clearly didn't play Lincoln did we you daft prick

Neilinlondon you've got to understand that most people who use this site are in their 30's going on 10.  The height of their naughtiness is to call someone a cunt.
Like the players they claim to support, you shouldn't read their comments if you want to read something constructive or good about yourself.  Just pass on by and let the scamps play.

So if it was only 6, and this isn't something that has come up every week so far, why did the co commentator feel the need to start this whole thread?  Surely he doesn't think that the 6? people on here are representative of all the listeners.  Equally, because you have no problem with the commentary, does that mean that I should take that your 1 opinion as a representation of all the listeners?  I've no idea either

You've also got to realise no matter how old we are or what the height of our naughtyness is.

Vic Morgan is still a crap commentator.

Out of interest why do you bother reading this forum then if you don't like what most people have to say? Neil clearly read the forum hoping for some nice feedback and didn't get it and has spat his dummy out.

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Unless I missed it nobody said their opinion represents all Town fans did they?

Supporting a football team is a passionate business for most and when we feel we have been let down (Which let's face it, after yesterday's game is a fair reflection) logic, manners and even sanity sometimes go out of the window for a while.

I've never listened to Vic Morgan, or this other bloke, so I can't comment on their professionalism, or lack of it. What I can say is if any player, manager, director or even regional radio co-commentator is foolish enough to go on to any club's forum and expect positive comments after a poor display, they're fucking deluded.

Oh and trogladite, I and many other posters aren't remotely 'youf' (I don't know what a 'uni' type is, I went to uni but I never even bought a scarf or rode a bicycle). Like a lot of members, I come on here for banter and conversation about the club I follow.

If you think that most on here are up themselves, it's probably you with the problem. That chip on your shoulder getting heavy?

i was at the game yesterday, i find it hard to believe vics comentry was as bad as watching that shower in real time :suicide:

It's like the Third World on this forum! The police should have snipers out!

Spot on, especially the last paragraph!

80% you :cunty:

Quite.

OMG cant believe this thread..... the commentary for saturdays game was the worst ive heard since the walsall match  ;) no build up at all too many shitty jokes and all of a sudden its a goal.

i dont even know the person who was co-com but he was awful aswell im assuming hes the one who started the thread.

hope we get a mention on the rochdale match ya cunt  :beers:

I posted an apology for being unecessarily rude in my post...it wasn't posted up....so i say again we're all passionate about our team and its frustrating for the listner to not get what they need. i admitted in my post that the coms was not the best...all people have off days and i had a mare. i have done a fair few games before and not had any complaints, well not too many. i was just angry cos i thought the criticism of vic was well over the top. he doesn't drive week in week out from exeter to wherever for the money or kudos..he does it cos he loves the town...as do i. i even love all our fans icluding the ones who called me a cunt...they are still Swindon and that'll do for me.  :)

Neil,

Some other posters have tried to be constructive in any criticisms without resorting to name calling.
It would be nice if a line could be drawn in the sand.

I can't comment on what was said on the radio,as i was at the match,but if you were commentating
at Franchise and have done so in previous seasons,i've thought you've been pretty good in the
past,giving a tactical picture and analysis.

Every commentator has his own style from Vic and Shaun to Alan Green! All we've been asking is
for the commentary to keep up with the play,score reminders for new listeners and as few meanderings
as possible please?

Vic is a very decent guy and has a good sense of humour,his strengths are in the pre-match and
after match interviews.I remember him from his time at GWR before the BBC.

If he could please take note of legitimate concerns and to try and improve his commentary,i'm sure
we'd all be happy.

Just embrace the fact you've been called a cunt you cunt. I'm not a Uni type - I'm a big, fat, old bastard that jacks off calling someone a cunt - now where's that Kleenex.

vic should let one of us fuckers co commetate, that would shut us up.

Only if we can say cunt live on the radio!

who is neil?
i like vic. i just think his commentary is rubbish.
i can tollerate a bloke getting so excited when his team scores he comes in his pants(each to their own)
it's his pant creaming squeels when the other team does something that does my nut.
we've conceeded goals when it's come across like we've scored.

Stop flirting and just ask you media whore.

TownEnd Tourettes On Tour.

vic : that was a poor tackle by amankwaah what did you think mex

mex : dont know why the cunt bothered to turn up fucking waste of spunk vic


classic radio in the making.

This thread should be preserved by dictionary makers everywhere and referred to under their entries explaining the phrase "storm in a teacup"

I'd just like Vic and whoever to do there fucking job and actually commentate on the football. Surely that's not too big an ask now is it.

If there is not an improvement for the next match, then I am seriously considering just not bothering. The D&R match *cough* 'commentary' was fucking appalling.

It would be alright if world fucking worked too..

I have no idea who Vic is, but wish him/her all the best.

For some of us we cannot get to many games due to distance and financial constraints, not all of us have well paying jobs that can finance our travels with the Town.....despite the fact that we all would love to.

Vic Morgan, seems like a nice bloke but his commentary is constantly appalling, no idea if we have the ball or them, if we are shooting or them, sometimes even if we have scored or them...until 30 seconds after the goal has gone in, as Vic does get over exctited by goals for and against us.

It was stated that in the original post...
If the link went down then someone was at fault somewhere....no not Vic but someone was at fault.

This has happened so many times, 6 times already this season, we have missed 3 kick offs because links were not turned on at the right time (yes its on STFC World but the problem is with the BBC end...not the World end because I have emailed them and asked them this and was told it was a BBC error) we have missed the last 5 minutes....and a goal against Hudderfield, we have missed a goal against Plymouth when the link "went down" and now on Saturday the link "went down" and we missed another goal.

This is nothing new and here is a little selection of how frustrating the Vic commentary can be at times......













I know I could not do better but Vic IS employed by the BBC as a commentator and as such should really learn to commentate on the game, yes hes a Town fan, maybe he shouldnt be and an unbiased commentator may be preferable? who know.

But in all honesty Vic can and hopefully will do better, just stop commentating on the shit that no one gives a shit about.....colour of players boots, haircuts etc etc and just commentate on the game, give us an idea of who has the ball, who is attacking, defending, the occassional mention of the score, who scored it, and dont make us think that we have scored when in actual fact it is the opposition, but from your cries of joy (yes there are cries of joy from Vic for every goal...whether for us or against us) we cannot ever tell if its us or them scoring.

As for your commentary on Saturday it was not the worst I have heard but not the best, just another game that we had little idea of how we were playing or whatever.

I listened to the entire match, and I still don't know how we lined up exactly.

My problem with vic isn't his 'subject matter' when speaking. lets be honest, the games are usually very dull and he does his best to liven it up with little titbits which I agree with. My problem is that he's not a good describer of play (in my opinion) and has a very annoying "excited voice" which you can't really do much about.

He's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think he's as bad as others are making out. Certainly better than any of the dross put out by brunel. I also think people are underestimating how difficult a job it actually is to talk non-stop for 90 minutes, or at least to do so well

I've seen the state of the ISDN terminals at the county ground. It's amazing anything works. Can't beleive D&R would be any better.

Its actually fairly amazing ISDN is still used de-facto for commentary links anyway!

Even more amusing was watching Ed Hadwin try and remote desktop in over ISDN to get to the text message program. 64K, for remote desktop. One hopes they have broadband one way or another these days, though it seems to be donr from the studio now anyway.

Whilst Vic's over enthusiasm can be annoying, it is not my main complaint.

My main complaint is that much of the time I just don't know what is happening. Formation, who has the ball, where they are on the field, how the opposition are shaping up, where players are off the ball etc.

It is usually possible to get a good mental image of the game from match commentary but when Vic is commentating it just isn't possible. Matches kick off at 9 PM for me, during the D&R match it occurred to me that listening is absolutely pointless and that I'm wasting valuable drinking with friends time. If Vic doesn't get it together soon, then I'll be better off down the pub.

I can't commentate on the D&R commentary as I was at the game but going on previous commentary's it does get frustrating when a goal goes in and you don't have a clue either which team scored or which player scored, or that the ball was even in play I think Vic would be better as a co commentator, it is a shame that Shaun Hodgett's does not do many commentary's these days but I understand he is quite high up in BBC RS so can understand, but for me the BBC have not adequetly replaced Ed, I beleive that Vic works for BBC Devon but as he is a stfc fan does the commentary for that reason as works for the bbc.

Fact is nice a person i might be if i didn't do my job properly i would be replaced.
Nice person Vic may be but his commentary is crap.

What, no more belittling comments, NiL?

Lets all be thankful its not Arthur Hunt commentating......

And its in the onion net.

Sweet Baby Jesus..I'd forgotten about him..

"George Ndah has electronic pace"  8)

Vic's commentaries were legendary in the 80's as we marched up the Football League, I used to tape a few as a kid. Maybe times have moved on in terms of what people expect but as least Vic has a genuine sense and perspective of STFC history. He can recall teams from the 1960's onwards and put the merits of those teams into perspective.

When you compare that to the lack of history you get in the Adver when they refer back to old seasons and have a job to recall anything pre-internet era.

Gulp, yeah I guess there are worse out there!

Just tuned in already know the score and who got the goal. Already an improvement  :wink: :wink:

Very impressed so far.

Indeed, takes a big man to take the criticism and improve on it rather than get mardy.

Vic is really good well done to the TEF for supporting him through the diffcult times

Indeed....I guess it wasn't just me whose been reading the thread!! I'll be better at Rochdale...and we'll win!

Can i quote you on that

Vic has been excellent this first half, best commentary from him I have heard for years in all honesty.

Come on Vic kept it up for an excellent second half

If you like and you promise to be fair and objective...sure :(

Who will be covering the Yeovil match

Well I imagine Vic will. I know Andy Ratcliffe did last year's co-coms....i think if people are interested they should get in touch with BBC Wilts and have a go.....
BTW i did mention in coms that we had gone back to 4-4-2 during the early part of the game....maybe it was when the line wasn't working!

Oh don't for goodness sakes tell Mex that.

I guess I might as well stick my two pence worth in as I have done a few commentaries for BBC WS and other stations when they don't have anyone else with a pulse and a voice available. I'm sure I have got some stick on here, and for some of my efforts, I'm sorry to say, it's nothing other than thoroughly deserved.

(pause for all to say cunt)

I rarely hear Vic as I'm usually at another game or sitting in the stands at our matches, so I can't really comment on how good or bad he is, but I'll throw the following points in:

1) you have to sound to some degree, "excited", when the other lot score - just so people register something important has happened. If you are listening and feeding the cat, washing the car etc, there has to be some change of tone to get your attention. Nothing sounds less dramatic than a play off game (and I have heard this), where there is absolutely no change in the commentator's voice when the other side, as it were, have equalised.

2) I'd personally be disappointed if I described a goal without any build up at all. Like I say, I don't know how much this happens or not, but it shouldn't really be happening. If necessary the commentator should be just cutting someone off.

3) One of the things that is relentlessly (or was) banged into BBC sports staff is that not everyone listening is a die hard sports fan - therefore cracking jokes or talking a bit about where you are not automatically a bad thing. Just for painitng a picture of what the ground's like or anything else. But obviously not when the ball is pinging round the penalty area.

4) ISDN kits are a law unto themselves.

That, as Kent Brockman would say, is my two cents.

Credit where credit is due

That was quite good actually

I enjoyed listening and could follow the game well

Absolutely, much improved.

Agreed.

Much much improved today. Keep it up for the rest of the season Vic and I there will be nothing to criticise.

I didn't get involved in the original criticising as I felt enough was being said by everyone else. Tonight was a vast improvement though. Thank you Vic. xx

Good man Vic! Keep it up! :clap:

And apology excepted Neil! ;)

You couldn't be any worse than saturday you soft cunt.

Glad to hear he's taken it on board and improved himself.

I did have a chuckle when he said he couldn't see six inches in front of him. Not ideal for a commentator's CV!

I thought Neil in London was meant to back for the Rochdale match. Did we scare him off?

The commentator on last night's game was not very good - isn't it about time that RS replaced Ed Hadwin with someone that can cover the games fully and can commentate correctly, I expct a lot of midweek games are too far for Vic from Devon although to be fair if there was a choice between Vic and the chap from last night, I think I'd prefer Vic as he does actually commentate rather than using it to have a chat with his co commentator (most of the time) so you don't know what is going on in the game

Vic's fine. And apart from the bloke last night being to scared to repeat himself (Swindon -> Visitors -> The team which travelled here -> The team which aren't the home team), and being a bit scared to interupt himself when something else was happening, he was fine.

I'd like to hear a lot of people who continually whinge about the commentary give it a go. I bet it's much much harder than you think

don't do that shit dave. most peopel aren't paid to do it professionally

the whole you can't critisize if you can't do it better yourself is the biggest load of bollocks ever. Robbie Williams can prance around on stage better than be but he's still a cunt.

Nah, I disagree. If you've never done something (not saying you have to do it better), you can't fully critize imho.

Any exceptions include whenever I have done so in the past

But RS are a professional outfit and don't let just any man (or woman) off the street to do commentary s ohow can you say people should try it - maybe we should sit in front of the TV with a hairbrush and commentate  ;)

I thought that guy last night was pretty entertaining

I agree. He was entertaining and fairly clear on what was going on for the majority of the game.

Lucas was brilliant too, if you he hadn't sent you asleep.

Presumably STFC Dave never has anything to say on here about the performance of the Town then? Either that or he's played regular professional football.

I've played football.

Maybe i'm wrong saying you can't moan, but it can't be fully justified imho

The guy last night was dreadful, I had a better picture what was going on in other matches than the one he was supposedly describing to me. There was a point where he was reading out scores and you could hear David Lucas oooh'ing in the background, which frustrated me a lot.

Come back Vic, all is forgiven.

I can't perform surgery, but if someone cuts off the wrong leg when I'm on the table I think my complaints are totally justified don't you?

I can't fly a plane, but if the pilot of my flight misses the runway and crashes the plane into the control tower I think I'm also free to have a bit of a moan about it.

Can you see how this argument doesn't stack up at all?

What do you guys expect? 3D commentary?

i beg to differ, i've been on there and I'm a professional bellend!

Yeah, but you'd expect those people not to fuck up. The people on the commentary aren't highly paid, highly skilled professionals, and I think the amount of criticism they receive is a bit out of order

Well that's a much more reasonable argument, but it's not based on the "if you haven't done it you can't criticise" logic that you were using earlier.

See the point but in both of those examples, I'd also be fairly alarmed if the airline or hospital allowed enthusiastic amateurs to stand in as co-pilot or anaesthetist as per the radio co-commentary.

FWIW, I thought the commentary was fine last night if a little flat, but I suspect that's more due to the game than the commentator. But I still prefer Vic. And I still prefer Ed over any of them

I wasn't really refering to the radio commentary, I didn't even hear it, but just refuting the argument that "those that can't do better can't criticise" which as FB pointed out is a bag of shite.

Despite him being a little dour, i though Lucas was really funnly last night.