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Title: Next England Manager
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 13:36:25
The FA have announced the next England manager will be English, most likely to be appointed in 2012 when Capello's contract runs out. With such a limited choice of potential candidates I reckon the FA should be making a move now, or the best candidate could be tied in to a long term contract with a big club.

O'Neill would be my number one choice at present, obviously he isn't technically English but he's spent his entire career in England making him practically English in my book. As he's without a job at the moment the FA could approach him now and get him signed up, then figure out the best way for him to spend the next two years to prepare him for the job.

Maybe he could be an assistant to Capello, or take over the under 21's, or take a player development role, or even be loaned out to various clubs as a short term care taker manager until they find a permanent replacement.

Before anyone suggests Redknapp, he's too bent and dodgy for the FA to even consider him so it ain't going to happen.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 13:37:53
It'll be Tony Pulis, mark my words.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 13:39:47
I have a sneaky feeling Stuart Pearce will have something to say about that idea.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 13:41:38
For fuck sake, why have they done this. The nationality of the manager has nothing to do with it. Get the best man for the job available, don't care whether he's british, french, spanish or a martian.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:15:49
 If Redknapp is ruled out, then the top 3 English managers in last season's Prem were Allardyce, Hodgson and Bruce....then Brian Laws.



Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:17:20
Why are they telling us this? What is the point? Seriously?


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:23:53
I think Capello could be going sooner than some think then.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:24:39
At this rate Fabio Capello will be gone by the end of the year. It's never a good sign to read such statements when you've still got years left on your contract.

The F.A. are clearly pandering (again) to what they read in the media and what over-opinionated fans whinge about on vehicles such as 6-0-6. Just keep quiet and let the guy get on with it or sack him.

Last time this happened it resulted in Steve McClaren coming in and failing to achieve the minimum requirement for any England coach (for me anyway), qualification.

I don't care if the next England coach is English or Azerbaijani as long as they're ambitious, willing to experiment tactically and won't let the players, the suits or the media dictate his tenure.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Arch Stanton on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:26:22
Although it would be hilarious to see Pulis wearing an England baseball cap and prowling the touchline at Wembley, he's actually welsh....


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:32:51
Well I think Capello should have gone in the summer but hey ho.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:39:14
Perhaps he should've, but he didn't so the F.A. have to get on with it just as everyone else has to!


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 14:50:04
i think pearce is nailed on for the job.the only thing thaty might change that is if an english manager wins the champions league or premiership prior to cappello leaving


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 15:14:05
I'm inclined to agree arriba.

However, that raises the same questions that were asked when McClaren was promoted from Eriksson's backroom staff. Would it be any different to how Capello operates other than a difference in nationality? The iconic imagery of Euro '96 should be enough to keep many happy for a while.

The plus side is that Pearce has worked closely with the Under-21's which would have its advantages, so it's a bit like a natural progression within a business.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 15:23:34
I know they've used the word "English" but don't they most likely mean someone from England, Ireland, Wales or Northern Ireland? No chance of it being offered to let alone accepted by someone from Scotland.

Whilst I don't have a problem with foreign managers, I think it's a problem if they don't have experience of managing in England at the style of play, mentality, attitude is often a lot different from other countries.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 15:37:11
I know they've used the word "English" but don't they most likely mean someone from England, Ireland, Wales or Northern Ireland? No chance of it being offered to let alone accepted by someone from Scotland.

I'd have thought by English they mean someone who is English...if they wanted to broaden the pick, just say British...


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 15:44:06
Holloway ;)

It could be like Mike Bassett 2


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Panda Paws on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 17:27:20
If it's anyone other than Hodgson I'll cry


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Tails on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 17:29:21
I'm not sure, but he better pick Beckham or the Sun and it's readers will be fucking furious.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 17:32:32
Although it would be hilarious to see Pulis wearing an England baseball cap and prowling the touchline at Wembley, he's actually welsh....

To be honest, I wasn't stone cold serious, but since I've been pulled off the Pulis bandwagon, allow me to be the first person to back Chris Hughton.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 17:53:52
Someone on the Radio is genuinely backing Maradona :D


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 18:13:33
but since I've been pulled off the Pulis bandwagon, allow me to be the first person to back Chris Hughton.

Very good :)


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Bodins left foot on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 18:16:42
I'm going to throw this in because he WILL be a strong candidate.

STEVE BRUCE

Has done a good job with rubbish at Wigan, Birmingham and Sunderland, so in turn should do well for England.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 18:26:12
I still think The F.A. would get Jose Mourinho if they could. Those Sun readers would love that.

It should go back to selection by committee... Modern Football is Rubbish :)


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 18:45:52
I still think The F.A. would get Jose Mourinho if they could. Those Sun readers would love that.

It should go back to selection by committee... Modern Football is Rubbish :)
I don't think they'd knock back Wenger either if he was interested


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 19:07:21
wenger wouldn't take the job.he firmly believes a national manager should be from the country he manages


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 19:46:40
Well I think Capello should have gone in the summer but hey ho.

And maybe the FA are now wishing they'd made that decision, as he seems to be becoming a slight source of embarassment with his lack of people skills.

I know the Hungary game was a meaningless friendly, but Capello looked decidely uninterested throughout.  Anyone else notice that amongst the comments about Beckham he also said something to the effect of 'it being time for a change either with him or under a new manager'.  Odd thing to say.



Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 20:00:37
And maybe the FA are now wishing they'd made that decision, as he seems to be becoming a slight source of embarassment with his lack of people skills.

I know the Hungary game was a meaningless friendly, but Capello looked decidely uninterested throughout.  Anyone else notice that amongst the comments about Beckham he also said something to the effect of 'it being time for a change either with him or under a new manager'.  Odd thing to say.


I personally think Capello isn't really interested as well. And the FA won't sack him because they have to pay him off. So they will be hoping he resigns. I'd say that after the November internationals have finished he may well do just that. Best time for both parties really as there is a long break until Feb normally for international games.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Arch Stanton on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 20:07:00
I'm in favour of some sort of reality TV show, "So you think you can manage?" or "How do you solve a problem like England?"

Get a load of keen losers to take part and get the public to vote each week. Ant & Dec could present. Now the Sun readers would lap that shit up... Hopefully we'd end up with a Ugly Scot Singer/Portugese Tranny/Breakdancing Child running the national team.

'Good Telly' as Jumbo Wiffy once said....


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 20:38:59
I still think The F.A. would get Jose Mourinho if they could. Those Sun readers would love that.

I think we'd all love it if we got Mourinho, at least he'd keep us entertained when we lose. But he made it pretty clear when he took the Real Madrid job that it isn't on his agenda at the moment, next stop for him will be Old Trafford.

I actually like the idea of Holloway on account of him being an English, uneducated, common and ugly version of Mourinho. To be fair to him he's done an incredible job at Blackpool and he'd handle the overpaid twats we've got playing for England, can't see him being afraid of telling Terry to take a running jump of the nearest pier.

I will be changing nationality if that twat Bruce ever gets the job. On MotD last night we got his usual "the ref is crap and it's all his fault", amusingly preceded by him saying "the last thing I want to do is criticise the ref". I reckon if he can't get it up in bed he tells his wife it's all "the man in black's fault". Wanker.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 20:43:01
I reckon if he can't get it up in bed he tells his wife it's all "the man in black's fault". Wanker.

To be fair, I'd struggle to get it up if there was a ref hanging about.

Bruce is a tool mind.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 15, 2010, 20:47:44
Off topic, I was surprised the BBC didn't defend the referee after those comments because judging by the footage, he didn't seem that bad.

RE: Mourinho, I do believe that he would be a good appointment but it would be funny watching the ignorant change their tune.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Highland Robin on Monday, August 16, 2010, 08:27:03
O'Neill has spent his whole career in England, eh Johnny 72???  I think the Bhoys might have something to say about that!!


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, August 16, 2010, 08:42:17
It's not like scotland is a separate country. More like a big English county really.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, August 16, 2010, 10:39:30
Stuart Pearce an international manager :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:19:59
O'Neill has spent his whole career in England, eh Johnny 72???  I think the Bhoys might have something to say about that!!

The point stands that he is practically English, he's spent over 30 seasons in the English leagues as a player or manager. He's more English than say Owen Hargreaves so I can't see any problem with him managing England, wouldn't even be a foreign manager in my book.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:44:09
The point stands that he is practically English,

born 1 March 1952 in Kilrea, Northern Ireland.

I don't think thy'll be using the same criteria as the playing side. They'll want a proper Englishman.

Next.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:45:17
The point stands that he is practically English, he's spent over 30 seasons in the English leagues as a player or manager. He's more English than say Owen Hargreaves so I can't see any problem with him managing England, wouldn't even be a foreign manager in my book.

Does he cheer England on when we're in a tournament? I doubt it. It doesn't matter how long someone has worked in England, if they're not English, they're not English. I think the only difference an English manager would provide over a non-English manager is pride in the shirt which the players have lacked for a long time.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, August 16, 2010, 16:34:47
I'd show some pride in the shirt but i wouldn't fucking know what to do.

The last time we 'had' to have an englishman in charge we ended up with mclaren, who just wasn't up to it at the time. We could do worse than get him in again, seeing as he's actually gone out there and won something. But who else is there? Sam fucking allardyce? Steve fucking bruce?

Fact is, there are no decent English managers out there. Allardyce did alright at Bolton but hasn't really set the world alight and plays football from the dark ages. Bruce spends shit loads of money everywhere he goes just to end up lower mid-table. Holloway would be a massive punt. Redknapp doesn't strike me to have the tactical nous needed for international management, where tactics are much more important than at club level. The only two that are respected beyond these shores are Hodgson, who would be a good appointment imo, and Mclaren, who would also get my backing but the tabloids would never allow it.

The FA have made a huge Rod for there back with this whole thing. If it ends up being Hodgson or Mclaren they may get away with it. Any other english manager but those two and it just won't work.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 16, 2010, 17:03:54

The FA have made a huge Rod for there back with this whole thing. If it ends up being Hodgson or Mclaren they may get away with it. Any other english manager but those two and it just won't work.

They wouldn't get away with appointing Mclaren twice. I agree with you, get the best man for the job regardless of nationality.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: adje on Monday, August 16, 2010, 17:55:02
It will be Steve Coppell


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Monday, August 16, 2010, 19:04:03
Redknapp is by far the best English manager (and one of the best in the world) and would be the only decent choice. To rule him out is just silly.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, August 16, 2010, 19:11:11
He's assembled a good squad but has no tactical ingenuity. You saw that on saturday - all he did to change it were two like for like swaps. Success at portsmouth came from spending shitloads of cash, which they ultimatly didn't have, and he splashed the cash at spurs too. You can't do this at international level, you have to play with the cards your dealt.

I don't expect you to take any of this on board of course, because we all know your a spurs fan. But although Redknapp does look as if he can foster a good team spirit, and hasn't done particularly badly, his managerial skills won't translate to the international game


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Monday, August 16, 2010, 20:29:48
He hasn't spent much money at all at Spurs. Crouch was a bargain, Keane was £7m less than he'd be sold to Liverpool for just a few months earlier and apart from that his only big signings have been Defoe and Palacios for £12m and he has sold players like Darren Bent for as much as that. He also has shown many times that he's an excellent tactician - the man city game last season for example.

England really need a manager who can get the players to play to their full potential and that's what Redknapp does. When he went to Spurs they were bottom of the league and many people on here thought he was crazy, saying it was a step down. A season and a half later and they finish in the top four with a lot of the same players. It's an incredible turnaround and if he can do that for Spurs then he can do it for England. Also, after this season he will have some champions league experience, which is the only thing he's lacking at the moment.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Lumps on Monday, August 16, 2010, 20:42:35
We all know who the last decengt English manager was. If he could have left of the slightly esoteric god bothering he might still be in the game somewhere.

Shame really.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, August 16, 2010, 20:52:49
We all know who the last decengt English manager was. If he could have left of the slightly esoteric god bothering he might still be in the game somewhere.

Shame really.


I didnt realise Sir Booby was religious


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 16, 2010, 20:53:38

I didnt realise Sir Booby was religious

Made a bit of a tit of yourself there Fred.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, August 16, 2010, 20:55:02
Fucking where are my glasses ?????


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: nevillew on Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 07:29:28
It will be Steve Coppell

For two, maybe three weeks anyway. ;)


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 07:38:21
England don't need a manager to manage it is a coach that is needed, international managment is all about tactics, formations, motivation and knowing what players can play in what position with what type of players around them - not about picking the 11 best players in england and putting them on the pitch and hoping they play together i.e. Gerrard & Lampard, Rooney & Owen


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 09:01:33
international managment is all about tactics, formations, motivation and knowing what players can play in what position with what type of players around them

Sounds awfuly like any football management to me


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: townforever on Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 10:19:21
my humble 2 pence worth is Firstly the FA need to start sorting out the Media, all this Heat/national enquirer healines help no one or the Team.

The prem league armchair fan that knows piss all about Football reads the Sun or even some of the grown up papers and starts believing we the best thing since sliced bread again after a 2 - 1 win against Hungary. Until the Media only report actual fact, rather than trying to fill up huge pages with a story about Beckhams new socks he wears. Idiot Joe puplic will get carried away with the Hype (Me included at times)

They need to give any new manager (English or otherwise) time to choose and pick his own squad and he will need to know that the FA will back him even when the red tops are calling for his blood, rather than send out stories about the next incumbents requirements


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, September 11, 2010, 17:05:24
Holloway ;)

It could be like Mike Bassett 2

Shame Engalnd got a couple of results, so can't sack Capello....because Hollowhead is the highest placed English manager at the moment....it would be ace.  :)


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: iffy on Saturday, September 11, 2010, 21:09:29
Redknapp's going to spend the next two years campaigning for it. If he puts up a decent show in the CL, it'll be hard to ignore him. All the other England managers are shit, so I wouldn't bet against Beckham getting it, following the Klinsmann/Van Basten/Hughes model (maybe even with Capello staying on as an 'advisor' in the background).


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: tans on Saturday, September 11, 2010, 21:11:36
Harry can fuck off.

The corrupt cunt


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Spy on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 07:22:29
Redknapp is the best English manager.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 07:42:05
England don't need a manager to manage it is a coach that is needed, international managment is all about tactics, formations, motivation and knowing what players can play in what position with what type of players around them - not about picking the 11 best players in england and putting them on the pitch and hoping they play together i.e. Gerrard & Lampard, Rooney & Owen

Fucking eh! That's it, this is where we have been going wring all along. WE HAVE BEEN GIVING THEM THE WRONG JOB TITLE

El Tel could do a job, especially if he is given the right title.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 09:46:14
See Steve Bruce piped up in the week saying the candidates are allardyce, redknapp and himself.

If Steve Bruce ever becomes England manager I will shoot myself


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 10:08:03
Bruce is a fucking shite manager then again so is Big Sam, my vote would go to Redknapp even though is he a corrupt manager.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: A Gent Orange on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 10:13:05
What we need are managers who have experience outside of the narrow world of the Premier League. Managers who have experienced different systems, styles and philosphies. Europe teaches this, but even with Ferguson, it can take a long time.

In summary Bruce, Big Sam et al - go abroad. I know the foreign types don't have brown sauce and Eccles cakes but you might learn something - Jimmy Hogan did.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 10:22:08
The best qualified english manager for the job is ironically steve mclaren


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 10:54:56
The best qualified english manager for the job is ironically steve mclaren

This is very true, it would be nice to see more brits abroad, gaining new understandings of the game is so important in managment


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 13:27:54
I would welcome back Steve McLaren only if he continues with that strange Dutch accent he puts on for interviews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWptErAWrmQ


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Lumps on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 17:57:06
Bruce is a fucking shite manager then again so is Big Sam, my vote would go to Redknapp even though is he a corrupt manager.

Unfortunately the one aspect of football management that HR is really good at, canny dealing in the transfer market, isn't a whole lot of fucking use to an international manager. Unless you want to go down the "Arteta can play  for England as can some random Brazilian fellah" route that some international sides have chosen.


Title: Re: Next England Manager
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, September 12, 2010, 18:03:12
Don't call Redknapp a wheeler dealer, he'll shit down your throat!