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fuck it, lets move onto the next game.

League Cup against Orient. What team would you put out and what team do you think Wilson will put out?

smith
caddis cuthbert lesc rose
jp ferry douglas obrien
austin dossevi

That

Smith
Caddis Cuthbert Morrison Rose
JP Ferry Douglas Timlin
Austin Dossevi

How long is Lucas out for?

Smith (if Lucas is still injured)

Caddis
Cuthbert
LJF
Kennedy

JPM
Ferry
Douglas
O'Brien

Pericard
Ball

I'd also start Pericard and basically give him 90 minutes to save his Town career

Even if Lucas is fit I wouldn't play him, there's no need. Not a bad shout at all glos.

I agree i'd start him and leave him on, extra time and all.

A decent game and a goal might be the start of something, or a complete fluke (ala Revell and Hutchinson at Brentford)

How did Pericard do compared to Dossevi?

This or Rodder's team.

Dossevi looked better but he actually got the ball to his feet, Pericard saw the ball pumped long up towards him.

Neither looked like scoring, although we had more forward play in the second half.

On that showing I think Dossevi would have done better than Pericard in the second half.

Dossevi works hard, Pericard barely moves. It's the seeming lack of any real effort from Pericard that really pisses me off. At one point in the second half Douglas walked out of defence sarcastically clapping the strikers as they were even trying to help the midfield/defence out. With Austin and his goals you don't care but Pericard has done nothing yet so should be putting in extra effort.

I would echo those sentiments. STFC history is littered with players who have got off to decidedly shaky starts and ended up earning (in some cases) legendary status. Fans are way, way to quick in writing players off. I mean....Jan Aage Fjortoft?? I rest my case.

true but Mr. Fjortoft was at least getting game time.

Pericard has started one game for us? although he's hardly ever looked up to it in his sub appearance.

Give him the full 90 tuesday, thats his chance - he either takes it or he doesnt.

The problem is that Pericard doesn't look a goal threat at all so unless he bucks his ideas up we need a new striker as we need a sub striker who's capable of chipping in with a few goals.

Pericard didn't look fit today - even more so after El Abd raped him in the centre of the pitch.

Dossevi - full of running but came too deep at times. Looked promising. I thought he looked up to the physical challenge of league 1 so was a bit confused by Wilson's interview.

Pericard - big lump with a few good flick ons to Austin.

I'm sure there is a player in Pericard waiting to get out, but he cant keep not doing it.

He can't do much when he gets absolutely fuck all in the way of service though

Today we didn't have balls coming into the box. JPM was never wide right, and Rose seemed hesitant to cross when it was crying out for a ball to be whipped in. I'd give Caddis a run out on Tuesday just to give him a game and a chance to show what he can do, but the biggest thing is getting JPM, Rose and whoever plays on the left to get into positions where they can cross.

Agreed, the service to our strikers was largely poor throughout.

Everybody knows we play 4-4-2 nice football (millwall brighton) lets try sumting diffrent?
          smith
caddis    ljf     rose
    ferry    douglas
jpm   prutton    ball
   pericard
          austin


       

Having only player in the backline over 6 foot would be suicide, no thanks

1. You cannot play 3 at the back with two wing backs.
2. Pericard behind Austin?! Playing in the hole requires a lot of running around
3. How can you drop Scott Cuthbert?

Just somthing diffrent tis all, all we got is 4-4-2.

Had a quick chat with him after the game, he said he won't be playing Tuesday but hopes to be back for next Saturday.

Possibly one of the most naive tactics ever posted on here, 2 wing back and only one centre back is suicide, now if you said Cuthbert, LFJ and Morrison then thats better, I would put Caddis in left wing instead of Ball......but I didn't see the game so I cant really comment!

Well, that was my point really. Give him a chance. He's not been given a proper chance yet.

Smith (or Lucas)
Amankwaah Cuthbert LJF Rose
Caddis Douglas Ferry Prutton
Dossevi
Austin

With Austin playing up front alone and Dossevi being allowed to roam and do whatever the fuck he wants.

JENSIONKOWSKI
CADDIS CUTHBERT MORRISON JEAN FRANCOIS
MCGOVERN FERRY DOUGLAS O'BRIEN
AUSTIN PERICARD

BENCH:
SMITH, ROSE, DOSSEVI, AMANKWAAH, PRUTTON, BALL, TIMLIN

Did I see a different game but we played 4231 towards the end of the first half today. After half time we even started 4132 then changed back to 442 when O'Brien came on.

Against Orient i think 4231 is worth ago and showed flashes of potential today.

Lucas
Manks Cuthbert JFL Rose
Douglas Prutton
Dossevi JPM Ball
Austin

Or a variation with with Ferry in the middle, but sticking with Pericard on the bench.

(new poster...go easy)

How did O'Brien do when he came on today(BBC site said he came on anyway)

He did fuck all. Though to be fair to him he didn't really get the ball. When you've got an out and out winger like O'Brien that has pace you really need to give him something to work with or he will always be fucking useless.

Not a lot really. Fell over a couple of times

I thought Dossevi went too deep at times, but he looked pretty decent when he did - there was one excellent run he made. Maybe it's worth giving him the freedom to drop deep and roam about a bit, looks like he might be capable of doing a decent job of it.

You're right, we did play 4-2-3-1 for a while today, which is why people are moaning about JPM playing inside and Dossevi coming too deep. It will work, and can get the best out of JPM but Ferry needs to go in alongside Dougie and be the Alonso to JD's Mascherano

I'm not saying it can't work in the long run, but there were times when we desperately needed an outlet on the right today and tehre was nobody there.

For me, we definatley need some different personel from today.

Smith
Caddis Morrison Cuthbert Lecs
JPM Ferry Douglas O'Brien
Austin Dossevi

That makes no sense, Lecs was good today, we need him to settle into being a regular centre back so you lob him into leftback.......errr just abit daft.

The more I think of it, Wilson should go full strength Tuesday night and that means Pericard on the bench and Dovessi up front. MK in the cup last season was the kick start to the campaign and maybe the Orient game can do the same this season.

Yeh ok, fair enough, then play Kennedy at LB

I don't think Kennedy is upto it if I'm honest, like I said go full strength with the aim being to blow Orient off the park and get our season going.

I don't think Dossevi is an out and out striker - his scoring record suggests as much.

He didn't seem to be playing in one position.

His backheel shortly before halftime to Manks from the touchline opposite the DR was sublime.

DW has to get the players to gel - but they do need to grind out results along the way - and Brighton did that today

Didnt get decent service from Rose-I counted three times when Rose should have played the ball inside the full back but he was far too hesitant.You have to make the defender turn to face his own goal.In fact Rose's all round delivery was very poor,on todays showing he aint no Sheehan.

thats what a good striker does when hes getting no service he comes deep into our half to get involved. which is what austin and pericard should be doing more often when we aint playing as well

I disagree, at times its fine but if we win possession then we are left with only one outlet/target up top.

The midfield were at times leaving the strikers isolated and at other times pushing up too much en mass. That's where the real issue was.

well i thought when dossevi came way back to our corner flag won the ball took on 2 players we had JPM and prutton pushing up from midfield to support austin also rose was overlapping on the left side.

i think when a strikers does that it means more people from the middle can push forward which can confuse the defence

Wouldn't mind seeing Mcgovern on the left, Dossevi on the right and ball and austin up front. Caddis in at RB.

I thought Dossevi looked at his best when he was dropping back and going out wide. He didn't look like centre forward material to me, I reckon he could do well if given a free role to do his thing or as part of a 3 man front line. Of course, I could be talking shit as this is based on seeing him play for just 45 minutes.

The changes I'd make:

Caddis for Manks,
Ferry for Prutton,
Dossevi to play 90 mins (if fit).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Austin rested though and Vince and Dossevi start. Oooh its too difficult picking our team at the moment!

Surley Dossevi on the left would be better ? He seems more versatile that JPM to me...

Its a fair comment. I wasn't criticising dossevi  as such either, I'd just rather our midfielders did that job!

On a side note, really looking forward to Tuesday, Prawn sarnies for me :)

which they wasnt yesterday which is why he did it

With the wealth of centre midfeilders we have at the club I think the best formation to use would be the Diamond. Chelsea used it last year and won the league. Newcastle used it on occasions Norwich used it and if I remember rightly Notts county used it too. These four teams won their leagues so I think it's fair to say it works. + The personell we have fits in with it.

On tuesday id go for

Lucas
Rose LJF Cuthbert Caddis
Douglas
Ferry Prutton
JPM
Austin Dossevi.

its gives the defence more cover in douglas who can will in one of the fullback positions when one goes forward. Ferry and Prutton can take turns for one to sit and one to go forward. JPM can be given a free role and can pretty much do what he likes. We'd scare the shit out of teams playing like this.Caddis marauding down the flanks with JPM occupying and austin occupying a defender while the rest of the midfeild flood the box!

what does everyone else reckon'? Im still fucking pissed of about yesterday but I reckon we'll pick oursleves up tuesday.

If we played with a diamond formation in midfield then I would prefer a stronger centre back pairing if Rose and Caddis play as overlapping fullbacks/wingback, nothing against LFJ or Cuthbert but an experienced centre back alongside Cuffy would suit that formation better.

Yes I know LFJ was MOM yesterday but he always looks like he is going to make a mistake even when hes playing really well.

True that

Personally I don't think we should mess with the formation. We just need to play better.

And if my Aunty had a nob she'd be my uncle. LFJ may have looked as thuogh he's going to fuck up ............... but he didn't. He had a cracking game as a centre half and God knows how much covering he did for Rose who defensively looks shit althuogh its early days. The midfield also gave him fuck all cover.
As for his distribution or dwelling on the ball too long - he had fuck all movement in front of him. The right wing was non existant as JPM was in the middle and the midfield were bollocks.
I've seen enough of JFL to see there is a really good player in there. He's athletic, good in the air and fast and he tries to play the ball out of trouble. Where he struggles is his positional play but he's only 22 or therabouts and playing centre half - he's still learning the game. He's going to fuck up as is Scotty as is Morrison.
The best thing we can do is get behind him because one day we might just make a nice tidy sum out of him.

The world is going mad - I'm finding myself agreeing with you again Chalkie.

You cunt.

Fuck off yourself. If we're agreeing a lot then I'm turning into a cunt like you when I thought I was a completely different kind of cunt - now I've got to consider the fact I might be a schizo cunt - you cunt.

You flirt, you.

We need a win and a good performance tomorrow to get back on track after Saturday. I wouldn't mess with the team too much because the players need time on the pitch together. With that in mind I would go:

Smith
Caddis-Cuthbert-LJF-Rose
JPM-Ferry-Douglas-Ball
Austin-Dossevi

Tempted to leave Prutton in and see if he and Douglas can work well together but Ferry upped the tempo when he came on Saturday and having missed pre-season with us needs time on the pitch.

Austin & Dossevi have only played 45 minutes together so I would like to see them start to build up an understanding as I think they could be a very good strike partnership for us.

Aye, agree with Bert.

Looks good to me Bert.

2 things really, back on track? We were never on track, and after one game it's a bit of void comment considering we've got another 40+ games to play. And, it's a cup game, what goes on in the cup has nothing to do with 'getting back on [any] track' in the league. I think it may have been Leeds who showed this last year (ok different comp. but still...)

Sack the squad...they're all shit.  :zzz:

How did you read Bert's post and come to the conclusion that was what he was saying?  :hmmm:

But Div, last year, surely the 4-1 win at Milton Keynes went a long way to banishing the 5-0 defeat and helped us move on.

Bart is right.

OK, i'll bite.

Cast your mind back a year, how shit we were all feeling after the 5-0 at Gillingham, then we won 4-1 at Franchise in the cup and all of a sudden the world was a happier place. Winning football games is a habit, the last thing we want is to go to Hartlepool having started our season with 2 straight defeats. The pressure builds looking for that first win. Brighton did not go according to plan, we did not play particularly well (although if you read my comments on the matchday thread you will see that I am not at all concerned by it as we are a new team bedding in) and a win tomorrow night will leave everyone feeling a lot more positive and give the players a bit of confidence.

I did reply to donkey before I went out but it hasn't shown, probably because you beat me to it bert, but I'll stick it on when I if back;in the whole of it though I'm agreeing with you,I just got the feeling you felt we were already playoff bound without playing a game. Remember that losing to, what I imagine will be a good side, isn't really a shocker like the 5-0 gills result.

EDIT:
The 5-0 was a shock result, no-one expected that. But brighton are a totally different team to what we thought of Gills at the start of last seaon, so 2-1 isn't a really shocking result, just a coming down to earth. We may have signed some good players, but we played a good side, with a squad which are still gelling. Who'd have thought Lesc would've been everyone's MOM? I'm all for someone stepping up and raking in the goals against Orient, and i agree we can't change the team radically just because we lost one game. It's one game, not a shock result; there is along way to go and a lot more to come from the squad, i'm sure. Things can only get better!

Rest them all up for Saturday where poss -have some depth on bench

Jesonowski
Thompson Evans Morrison Kennedy
Caddis Ferry Timlin(c) O'Brien
Dossevi Pericard
Subs Smith LJF Amankwaah Prutton Ball JPM Austin

I would play this team but swap Prutton for Douglas.  You don't get much of an opportunity to leave out Douglas, and now with Prutton this is a good opportunity to see how we cope without him after we fell apart for a few games last season. I might also give Morrison a run out at right back and swap JP for Caddis.  JP, Douglas, Charlie and Dossevi on the bench if we needed them.

We could do with winning - possible big draw in the next round, If it was the JPT I'd possibly agree.

Having watched the friendly at Poole I can wholeheartedly say that Jakub Jesionkowski is not ready for our first team yet.

Give him a game or 2 in the JPT but not an important one, hes a good shot stopper but flaps a bit at crosses and punches more than he catches, he needs games to get confidence and not in the first team...just yet.

Too true and I stand by it, although I should add the caveat that I think we're playoff bound at least. :)  Like the rest of the post.

I agree with this. The reason for that is because we have no wingers. The only decent wide player we have is JP and even he looked lost out on the right hand side on Saturday. Worth a go IMO.

Failing that why not try JP on the left and put Ball on the right? Ball isn't a left footed player but if Danny wants to play him out wide then use him to his strenghs and play him on the right. Other option of course is to move Ball upfront in his favoured role and then play Caddis either RM or LM.

      Smith in goal
rose lb ljf cb caddis rb
    ferry  douglas
  jpm   prutton   ball
     austin dossevi

thats my team keep rose ljf and caddis at the back not wing backs would use three cb but we only have 3, if one gets injerd we will be up the shoot. ferry and douglas as cover at the back douglas maybe would have better control as captin. jpm and ball up and down the wings working hard, prutton to be free and do what he wants feed austin and dossevi. Whateva.

You keeep sticking up this formation. There's not a manager in the land that would play to wing backs as centre backs. Admittedly it'd be fun to watch though, like this formation:

            Smith

      Ferry Dougie
Caddis  JPM  Prutton O'Brien
Dossevi Austin Pericard Ball

Thats an Ossie at Newcastle formation.  0-5-4.  Would be funny.  I think we'd win 8-6.

You madman. Dougie is way too deep.

I'm amazed at the number of people that think you can play a 3 man defence with full backs rather than centre backs. Maybe it's just due to it falling out of fashion a good few years ago and people forgetting how it works.

It's probably what he does on Fifa.

Just stop

gk smith
rb caddis
cb cuthbert
cb morrison
lb ljf
rm mcgovern
cm ferry
cm prutton
cm douglas
lm o brien
st austin

Disagree about JFL - he needs time in the centre to strike up an understanding with Cuthbert. likewise Dossevi needs to play alongiside Austin.

Our game relys on getting the ball wide and getting the crosses into the box so I don't think Wilson would want to play a narrow midfield