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Is it on the increase in this country? Its a sad sad state of affairs.

What with the current bloke on the rampage, and the one in cumbria a few months ago..

I still think all Police officers should be armed.

You always get the odd nutter. Not sure its an increase as such.

Not keen on the Police being armed be default. I'm not sure it works too well in the states.

There will inevitably be a lot of questions asked given that there have been two cases in such close proximity, but it'll take a bit more than that before we have to consider it a serious issue. For example, in London, knife crime among teenagers seems to be a much more pervasive problem.

The bigger issue for me is that he was realeased on Thursday then on the friday the prison decided to ring the police and say oh yeah his ex missus is in danger.

Have a look at nationmaster.com......some interesting stats (the UK looks pretty safe compared to some countries)

Police Recruitment standards would need to rise drastically before I'd be comfortable with them getting guns.

Actually, I still wouldn't like the idea.

The police have a substantial number of guns already. It's just that they are not on public view.

the problem in IMO, is that there is no punishment to fit the crime anymore, shoot or knife someone and you will be out in a few years, in the police statement on tv today, copper said 'give yourself up you stll have a future', a future that prick has shot 3 people, and one of those are dead, mind games or not that fucker should be hung, :cunt:

But how long does it normally take for armed response... too long sometimes.

knives are a far worse problem than guns.

arming the police force as a whole will only encourage people to arm themselves.

Spot on, If you kill some, you should be killed, if you rape someone you should be killed, if your a paedo, you should be killed.

Crispy's world doesnt have many people in  :)

So most people are either murderers, rapists or paedophiles?

Oh. I just looked at the "total crimes" stats  :(

people get locked up longer for fraud, than m >:(urderers

At least with guns, you can shoot them if they have a knife.

but what if they have a gun? nuke them?

Let's have an arms race. My thermonuclear warhead is bigger than your gun  ;D

Great minds..!

You can do all three of these crimes at once to Crispy, triple the fun.

Have a good ole fashioned stand off...

We dont need armed police,ive never even heard a gun being shot (apart from on the telly)

Sippo you could be a Daily Mail headline writer,this country is on the whole a safe place.

We are in safe country as a whole, but if gun crime does pick up then something needs to be done.

Also, if Ducks develop the Atomic Bomb, we should probably do something about Ducks.

leave the ducks outta this

IF it picks up, hello look at the last few months,i would say its gaining momentum

 :cunt:

Tragic timing. Nothing more. Nothing less. 

I don't think it is or will, but if so - what exactly? 'Something needs to be done' echoes Yeo's comments about Daily Mail subheads.

well it looks like moat is being surrounded

Are you watching Monty Python's Holy Grail?

 :D

Rates of gun crime in Britain are falling.  They have been for years.

More worrying than gun crime is knife crime. Harsher punishment for knife crime needs to be implemented. I know this inevitably leads to debate on the prison system, overcrowding... etc... but i feel the punishment for stabbing someone should be far harsher.

Gun crime in general is not increasing.  Having lived until quite recently in Nottingham, declared the gun crime capital a few years back by the media, it was actually nonsense.  The two most recent examples (and the big ones we all remember like Dunblane and Hungerford) were of people who, for whatever reason, lost their minds because of some sort of grudge, and, although Raoul Moat appears still to be at large, these incidents tend to end with the perpetrator killing themselves.  These cases will continue to happen whatever you do to toughen things up.  They are totally tragic.  Other gun crime tends to happen within very limited communities, primarily linked with illegal drugs.  We have very few police fatalities compared with other countries, and very few 'innocent bystander' victims.  Armed robberies are actually quite rare.

More general arming of the police will do more to exacerbate things.  keeping arms limited to a small nuimber of highly-trained officers in each force is far better than issuing guns to every officer, some of whom will be tempted to use them in situations where it is not necessary....we should have learnt that from the (not directly comparable) Bloody Sunday story.  There could easily be situations on a Saturday afternoon after a Millwall match where ill-disciplined policemenn decided they were sufficiently under threat to open fire.....

Have they still not caught this bloke yet? Proper fugitive.

Where's Tommy lee jones?

they've discovered that he supports the netherlands though

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Another shooting
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/10552410.stm