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We were seat in b.lock 230 and it was like a library, i have never been sat in ground surrounded by people who really didnt seem to give a shit about the result.

I am hoarse tonight and not even a STFC fan but was doing my best to support you for the day.

Absolute shite sums it up really.

Spot on....some of us were up for it but Millwall out sung us big time...not only am I hung like a horse but am hoarse now  :clap: :D

Couldn't get anything started and gave up in the end. The singers were all spread out. Millwall were better but they weren't exactly ear drum bursting. And any dribbling retard can go miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil

there was no atmosphere.

Fred tried to get a chant of Wise Men Say going in the concourse before the game and all it gathered was looks from people as though we'd shit on their kids.

Worst Swindon town atmosphere i've ever witnessed. In the pubs beforehand it was brilliant but as soon as we was in the ground there was nothing. I would rather we have the 7000-10000 fans that go week in week out and actually sing for the lads than have the majority of our crowd there simply to jump on the bandwagon. I don't care how stupid it would have looked with only 10,000 of us, the atmosphere would have been so much better. If your not there to support the lads then fuck off for next season.

Fucking happy clappers !!!

I just found it crazy that I was making much more noise than most of them around me and I am not even a Swindon fan.

Where do some of these people come from?

There many before the game saying it's great to attract these day trippers to the club etc, it's all more support for Swindon etc etc. Well if that's what we can expect then fuck off, give ne the passionate 7k at home and 1k away anyday.

I was sat in block 230 and completely agree with you. 

I sang and shouted my heart out and now am so hoarse I cannot talk.  Its a disgrace that some people are so use to watching football on TV, that they dont know how to support their local side.

Spot on. Too many people there today who were intent on moaning and didnt want to back the club.

Fucking shocking.

We needed to lift the players with a bit of noise. Millwall's support made us look tin pot imo.
The amount of us there was fantastic but I'd go as far as saying our vocal support was embarrassing today, on live tv.

agree with the above (block 238), some around us were trying to join in without knowing the songs - fair play to them for trying, most spent the looking for excuses to dissapear to the concorses every 10 minutes and getting in the way - if you want to stand, fucking stand, i'll deal with that if your supporting the team but to cock my view up for no good reason ... fuck off back to your sofas you cunts (and I don't mean cunt in the usual complementary way).
What I'm really pissed off about is I kind of invisaged it happening and wanted tickets in the lower tier. When I went on the website there were none available, I get in today and there are plenty of empty seats down there.

Rant over

Some cunt told me to stop singing and to sit down.  :cunt:
Nearly fucking destroyed him.

I was in block 129 and a group of lads at the back were stood up shouting "sing your hearts out for the lads" and some mouthy girl told them to shut the fuck up. What a CUNT.

I cant remember one time where we really got one song going to any great degree.  Millwall seemed to have no trouble getting there only song going on a regular basis.

the timing/tune was well out for what songs we did start.

block 231 for me. Lad in a blue shirt was trying to get everyone going and very few joined in. Even the stewards tol him to sit downl then did nowt when five millwall fans started singing in our bit.

Joke.

That's because it's just a noise. Probably the longest word they know.

Totally agree. I was in block 140 and it was cack.

I don't get to go to many games, due to not living locally, but couldn't believe that I was one of the few trying to sing up today.

Bit embarassing really. :cry:

creit where it's due, I actually thought Millwall and their one chant sounded pretty good. We had nothing in response. We've let ourselves down.

I meant " no one likes us, no likes us" but you right about that so called chant.

My first visit to the new Wembley and have to say I hate the whole overblown "Wembley experience" thing before the game - the adverts, the Coca Cola corporate bollocks, and the overloud music kills any pre-match atmosphere and singing and banter.

We were in block 541 and people were looking at me strange when I was shouting. The atmos was shite.wall made loads more noise even if they do only have one song.

So that'd be 2 songd we know then?

But in fairness you are spot on about your support today. Shockingly quiet. Wasn't as if it wasn't a close game either. No wonder you're embarrassed.

Nice to see that people are still having a dig at Millwall's support, even after your showing today. Grow up.

Why aren't you out celebrating? Pretty sad you're on here.

Nobody is saying you don't make noise are they? The complaints I've seem were to do with the behaviour of your fans. I've been to numerous play-off finals etc and have never come across any set of fans as confrontational as yours. I had twats throwing their chewing gum at me on the tube and shouting abuse at me. 6 on 1. I hope they were proud. I've also read stories of old men being jumped on and shouted at by your lot, not to mention a few leaving dead on the final whistle just to try and stir things up outside the ground. Our fans were shocking today, as we keep saying. But at least they treat other human beings with respect.

Perfectly put.

Yeah, you're right. Our support is shit. Needs to be more like yours.

No most of your supporters are cunts, there is a difference.

Somehow, I don't think you're going to grasp it.

Er... perhaps you should try reading a comment properly next time (if you can)

Let's make it very simple, so even a dimwit like your good self can understand.

Insdie the ground, your support is fine, they get behind the team & make some noise.

Outside of the ground, you behave like a bunch of twats

Inside the ground you made more noise and got behind your team more whilst ours never really got behind the team. Outside the ground and on the Jubilee line your support behaved like a bunch of wankers. I know which group I'd rather be associated with.

Give me Scunthorpe away on a tuesday night any day.
Rather have 200 proper singing fans then 32000 dribbling, plastic, day-tripping, glory hunting, Man United supporting cunts.

As per my other thread, this was my first experience of plastics (apart from the home Charlton semi match) and I completely agree with you. I guess the only mitigating factor is that a small percentage of them might turn up to some matches next season. But is that adequate compensation for how cringe-worthy they are on a day like today to those who do turn up week in week out?

This guy with his family behind me told me to stop singing as his kids didn't like it. And he threatened to call a steward when I stood up to cheer a corner as "the kids can't see the game". .
What is happening to this world. When I was a younger you would stand on your seat or sit on your dad's shoulders to see the game. And I'm only 16 for fucks sake!

I was in block 140 and it was dead quiet in there, i couldn't believe the amount of empty seats to my right though, hundreds of them.

I'm hoarse, i'll have no voice in the morning; but as per what everyone else says the atmosphere was not good today, even though the first half performance didn't give us much to shout/sing about.

I was block 138 and fair play some of us were really going for it.
But the rest of them.  :suicide:
Not worthy of our club.

We were basically in one big Arkells stand today atmosphere wise.

Or is that being unfair to the Arkells?

I dunno, maybe the abysmal performance on the pitch didn't exactly help the atmosphere off it?

Plenty of singing in where I was in Block 130, at least from our group and the rows around us, but in a stadium like that a few pockets of noise aren't enough.

fucking agreed

sorry but unless you are 1 of the 7000 that go regular then you cant or dont have an opinion on any song starting/singing. The happy clappers of Swindon ruined any chance of an atmosphere today.
 :cunt:

Ever considered that maybe the 2 go hand in hand?

Never ever have condoned violence against Scarfers/dads with kids etc.
What I will say is that is a big part of the support to be as intimidating/obnoxious/right 'orrible bastards to the opposition as thy can be to make it as unpleasant as possible for them. At the end of the the day, it is us VS them. Fucked if I'm going to let them enjoy the day and clap along to their team while I sit there reading the programme.

Yeah we aren't great. Yeah I would hate us if I supported any other team. But there is a reason why we were so much louder than you.

fuck off -go and celebrate,"no one likes us"?-no,no one gives a shit about you.

Quigzy do us a favour and fuck off.  :cunt:

Great minds think alike  ;)

No, the only part of support is to encourage your own team.

Yeah, because your one song (as one of my mates put it) sounded like a barn full of retards simultaneously whining for an ice cream.

One syllable is very very loud. Well done.

No not really, plenty of teams are loud without feeling the need to be twats. I.e. Charlton, Leeds (mostly) Yeovil and even Torquay

don't worry, i'm moving further away from swindon and will be at even less games next season.

sigh

You can slate me for this all you like but I thought the Millwall support was fucking top drawer today. Really, really loud. Credit's where it's due.

If that's directed at me, then yes, I am part of the 7000. ST holder and travel away.

thats where i was and have no complaints for standing up/swearing/singing or anything else... clearly we got lucky

too many pissed up woodworks blew themselves out in the greenman (not there again !) - they probably slept through the game - get me back in the town end !  ::)

i was at the back of block 133,10 of us were singing and all rows in front of us just fucking sat there, you could tell who the plastics were,i hate wall fans but they did out sing us big time, best bit about today was the green man even tho it pissed down, ps is it me or did wemley look smaller inside than it does on tv???

The lot who were in the lower sections were shit but there was some atmosphere and a good attempt to get people to sing in the gods,I thought the view from up there was impressive aswell.

Gutted about the performance but had we played well and lost i would have been more pissed off.

Not sure what the collective is for a crowd of retarded, bald, fat, slobbering cunts is, but Millwall have them in abundance.

Why the fuck anyone would want to twat mums, dads and their kids, just because they support another football club is beyond me. That shit is off the human behaviour radar and should be treated with similar disregard for their human rights by the boys in Blue.

Seeing a couple of hundred of them braying like mongs at a school prom as the Town coaches left the car park, all holding up little flags to show who they support and making those throat cutting motions after the game was fucking priceless. It shows the level of their intelect when they'd rather miss their own clubs celebrations by piling outside just to taunt the losing side.

I really fucking wanted us to win promotion today, but I'll take the defeat in the hope that those retards suffer a really long, miserable and humiliating 10/11 season and bounce straight back down the fucking league into oblivion.

No class, respect or humilty.

Stinking, sweaty, cockney Cunts.

I think there's a thing to be said for the acoustics at Wembley too tho, because being in the lower tier I could here us singing in our pockets, but couldn't hear you lot in the gods (not saying you weren't) the same as I couldn't barely hear songs from people behind the goal.

I know our support was poor today but just couldn't hear for more than 20 yards or so around me. Is Wembley TOO big for such an occasion?

AMEN. I totally agree with you here. I was shocked to be honest. Extremely pissed off about A bloke taunting my mother & Kid must of been around 10/11 spitting up our coach with a millwall shirt on. YOU HAVE JUST WON, SHOULDN'T YOU BE CELEBRATING. Grow up, is that all you think about. One things for sure, alot of them have alot of anger inside them. Very strange.

I must admit I look at some comments made by football fans like Milwalls and wonder whether they have the right perspective on life.  You know what, I love football,  I love STFC, but you have to wonder about the intelligence of some people who think they have to show their passion through violence.  Grow up.

The line no class, respect or humility I agree with 100%.

It was shit. That fucking Millwall "ooooohhhhhhhhh" was dreadful - but it seemed to work, everytime they did it we shut the fuck up. Not that we made much noise anyway.

Yeah, that Milwall thing sounded like a Zombie getting aroused.

Weird experience for me... sang myself hoarse, observed grandparents upbraiding fellow fans for standing up and voicing their support. Very poor show from our end, diabolical even, made me feel ashamed, were it not for the fact I lost my voice chords, shame on them daydrippers

OK perhaps they were frustrating but I don't think blaming the trippers is that clever.  You are allowed to go and support a team for the day and be a whole lot less passionate.

The 7,000-8,000 passionate fans week in week out?  The Arkells?  The DR?  We need to look at ourselves.

Its difficult to get a sustained chant going over such a sustained area for so many so in fact the simple "Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil" is effective.  If you want 30,000 to give a common chant it needs to be simple.

Playing in bloody red might have given a more obvious "C'mon U Rdz"!  Both the blue and the white looked like STFC away to me but the support was very County Ground on a bad day except with more numerous pockets trying unsuccesfully to get things going.

I agree our support was shit, but when you've got the pissed-up lads trying to lead the songs calling the fans that won't sing 'cunts' (right behind some families with children under ten), smoking at half time and generally being pricks, its hardly motivational. But we were fucking awful today.

I went to the away game at the New Den and saw no trouble and thought just may be they had changed and grown up. But at Wembley our bus was rattled by Millwall fans after the end which is scary for the young ones (why were Millwall even outside yet?) and my older son said they were being pelted with coins INSIDE Wembley. He was in upper tier so not sure where from. I was in Block 237 where there were plenty of 'real' supporters but not much noise. What was it like having to run the gauntlet of these Meanderthals (that was a typo but left it in because a drunk Neanderthal weaves from side to side). on the Bakerloo/Jubilee? Almost back to the old days? I remember when Millwall fans murdered someone at Embankment, 86ish.

From my point of view a crap day out in the end and from the club's point of view I doubt if we'll see many of the extra fans back at the County Ground. But wouldn't have we settled for a mid-table finish after losing 5-0 to Gillingham?

was fucking dismal support.i was the cunt in block 140 who tired to get it going.shouldn't have kept trying.never abused anyone but voiced my disgust at the plastics

I was in the same block.  I think you called me (and the ten year old kid next to me) a plastic cunt.  Well done.

October 1986. My first weekend in central London as a fresh faced student. Saw the guy in the last few minutes of his life as we wandered by. Had to spend the next couple of years in New Cross gate area when they went top of Div 1. They haven't moved on since then.

i didn't call you anything.nor any kids.
i didn't abuse anybody or swear at anyone.
i would never abuse any individual at football,and would never call a child a cunt.
i moaned out loud at our fans a few times,but that was it.

The pissed up people in my section who were 'trying to lead the chants' were pretty raw with their language too. I'm all for getting people going and I sang my heart out when songs were going, but needlessly saying 'cunt' and 'bollock' probably didn't help things.

They also seemed to be so pissed that they couldn't say 'Wilson' came out more like Wils and instead of the chant 'you've only got one ball, one ball, you've only got one ball' they had it as 'you've only got one bollock'

Green man was great beforehand but seems like some fans peaked to early and were pissed off their tits by Wembley.

I think to sum up yesterday for me, was going for a piss and when drying my hands on those 'always on' blowers somehow getting the pint in my hand under it, and getting fucked soaked in beer

No problem with people turning up to support their town, even if they haven't been to a game in a while. It's all about pride in your town and I'm glad we took 32,000 people.  

The reasons for the lack of atmosphere? A shocking first half and the strange acoustics. Millwall fans were up for it because their team were battering us.  It's also evident that, as a couple of people on here have suggested, you just can't hear the support around you if you're more than a block away. No point blaming non-season ticket holders for that.

having checked back through your posts i see you had tickets in row 44.
i was in front of you somewhere, and didn't turn around to people behind me and abuse them.
so well done for getting your facts wrong.

i didn't see or hear anyone calling people cunts as it goes.a few of us dotted around the block who were trying to get songs started. and when it didn't happen got fucked off with it.

Just posted the below on a different thread, hadn't seen this one.



Fucking awful atmosphere.  The most dissappointed i've ever been with a town crowd. 

Someone posted 10 days ago that they couldn't be arsed to go to wemley with 25,000 plastics.  At the time I thought that was a knobbish thing to say, after yesterday i have to agree. Shit on the pitch, made even worse by our pathetic performance off it. All the more dissapointing following the season we've had - some of the best atmospheres i've ever experienced, certainly in the last 10 years.  Was it really this shit in 90/93?

I was in block 140 and it was the worst atmosphere i've ever been a part of. A few of us tried to get something going but most people just sat there. It didn't help that there was a bloke trying to lead some of the chants when he was clearly too drunk to get them right in the first place! Was gutted to be honest, like we as fans didn't do our bit, but there you go!

i was sat along from some youngish lads who kept trying to start songs (block 141, row 37) but they just fell flat on their arse most of the time. i tried to join in and my voice is completely hoarse today. i didn't want to stand up as i was aware of people behind me not being able to see the game through my ample frame.

the total lack of atmosphere just compounded the fact we were awful on the pitch. i think the fact we didn't turn up at kick-off contributed to the lack of atmosphere.

fair play to those who tried to start songs, i'm always too scared to try. i don't really have a problem with people turning up if they've not been to many games this season and i think it's great if people who do go regularly bring along family or friends; if we'd performed yesterday, regardless of the result, some of those would undoubtedly return.

my main issue is with the people who just don't get football. it sounds horribly elitist but judging from what i saw and by what others have said on here, a lot of people turned up yesterday not understanding how important the result was, totally unaware of how fans support their team and expected to sit in silence like it was wimbledon or something.

the majority of the 32,000 there yesterday were "proper" fans. we just got diluted amongst daytrippers who didn't understand it at all.

No, one of things about 90/93 is that after the games I couldn't hear anything for about 20 mins because I had gone temporarily deaf due to the noise made during the game. No such problem yesterday.

Didn't come on last night as I was too furious. We were utterly humiliated yesterday both on and off the pitch. If that's the "family atmosphere" the football authorities keep saying they want, they can stick it up their arse. Yesterday was never going to reach the heights of the second leg at Chalrton, that and Leeds/Southampton away were always going to be the high point of our season. That really was a "fans' game", whereas yesterday was always going to be more of "the town's game" so it was never going to have the same intensity. I was ready for that, for it being a bit limp, for any songs there were being restricted to the most simple, but Jesus Wept!

Even trying to get a simple "Come on you Reds" going, there was people looking at us like we'd tried to shit in their kagoul hoods. Credit to the lads further back who did keep trying despite all the Jeremys and Jemimas - one of the few amusing bits was when they started singing "there's only five of us singing" which as the isolated pockets joined in crept up to "there's only 8 of us singing". And to be honest, that probably was it for our block.

Had the kids with me yesterday so had to keep most of this in after the match because even though I was fuming, I wanted them to feel they'd had a good day. It was my five year old's first game and he was quite nervous because he doesn't like loud noises (hah! no worries on that score, most of them thought they were at the fucking opera) so his day wouldn't have been enhanced by the sight of Dad raging and fuming at what complete dogshit we were. So after the game, kind of restricted myself to a few adonyne "Didn't turn up/outmuscled/completely stopped us playing" type comments and left it at that. But last night I was furious. And it hasn't diminished this morning. Disappointed, embarrassed, humiliated.

Oh and to those saying "I'd rather have the 7/8000 passionate fans getting behind the team than the 32,000 sitting there quietly", get real. Look back over how many matchday threads and see the number of times people are complaining about the silence in the Arkells/DRS. We've got 3-4000 tops who will sing/back the team come what may, even backs against the wall, like at Charlton. If we'd made more of a go of it on the pitch yesterday, even the day-trippers would have joined in a bit more, but there was nothing. Totally flat.

I noticed this as well. The pockets of people singing were few and far between but we were slightly to the right of the goal at the front of the top tier and there was a few (maybe 15) of us trying to sing every now and then but you really couldn't hear clearly what the fans on the lower tier/ more than a block away were singing making it impossible to co-ordinate anything. That said it does sound like we got quite lucky as we had no one complaining when we stood up occasionally for corners or sang/ occasionally swore.

Plastics wouldn't be a problem if they could somehow find a way of putting regulars together or dare I say it 'singing sections' within the seating plan.

As me and my old man were saying this morn, all seating most probs killed that a bit as before you would have been able to move towards where other people were singing but that said I remember 93 being deafening.

i feel really deflated today as i really got the buzz yesterday for the first time in ages. a saturday morning at home, nervously passing the time and then catching a train into london, trying to spot town fans at the station(s)... getting off at paddington, bumping into my dad and family and seeing red everywhere was amazing.

walking to the ground from wembley central, following a sea of red - as we walked up the slight incline towards wembley stadium there was such a positive feeling around, despite the rain, wind and cold. getting into the ground and finding our seats, seeing the lads warming up and the seats filling up.

it all started to go horribly wrong when we came out wearing white.

100% agree with this and yesterday was the first time in years i stood up sang my heart with about 30 others around me and when we actually got going it was good,we even got the so say plastics going but to be honest they only responed to the and it's swindon town song.

Most of the season it's been dire at home although the oxon reds was above me and i tried to join in when they got going the others around me just did't bother and just want to sit quiet and watch the game.I would love to think if the town end gets built up all the vociferous ones will go there and the ones who dont want to sing will stay away from that stand.

I've moved for this coming season down the other end of the DR stand but i have feeling i've made a big mistake.

Spot on about a singing section that something we really need.

Think I was sat infront of you! Did your voice go?!

yeah that was probably me,as my voice went eventually.can you confirm i wasn't calling people cunts and abusing folk

If you mean at the County Ground, absolutely NO, that's the last thing we need. It would completely kill the atmosphere around the whole of the rest of the ground and even create a kind of "proper fans' ghetto". I want to hear the whole ground singing, not just a small section of it. That's precisely the problem we've got now.

I was in the Club Wembley seats just outside the penalty area and I can't remember hearing any singing.

You can fuck off to reading or bristol city with that sort of nonsense!!

apologies to anybody with kids sat near me in the club wembley section i may have offended with my foul language on more than one occasion..my dad must hate going to football with me, my mouth turns into filth soapy tit wank

If you go back to the 80s when you was in the town end it was a fantastic atmosphere and i know you had the southsiders up by the corner of the away fans but the town end seem to lift the players and you could almost feel you could suck that ball into the net,these days it's dire because everyone is dotted about everywhere and you cant go and sit where you want.

I just think and end that was in full voice would inspire the players and give them a lift.

I was referring to Wembley and not CG RE: singing sections.

Block 134. I can barely speak. Atmosphere in the concourse round us was immense. Our group of 5 was just walking along singing loud and proud. Then we ended up just stood with 5 strangers, singing even more songs. Fucking brilliant.

Out in block 134 though, we were being told to sit down, the entire block was stood up so those few behind us just moved. There were pockets of people singing and more to the front too. But everyone to my left were sat in silence. It got to the last 15 minutes and I ended up walking down the steps screaming at them "this is the last 15 minutes and you're sat on your arses, get up and fucking support the team" I was told to fuck off, I got dirty looks from everyone and some buck toothed munter started laughing at me. They then spent the rest of the game looking at me everytime I started songs.

Fuck you plastics. I was willing to give you a chance. But fuck you.

And again, I want to hear the whole ground singing, not just a section of it. If you create a fans' ghetto like that you very quickly get to a situation where you're not allowed to sing in the rest of the ground and we end up with the kind of "family atmosphere" we had yesterday - none whatever. Dreadful idea

Ahh ok appologies then i misread the situation i thought you talking about overall.

Nah you didn't call anyone anything of the sort. What you said, is what was being thought by alot of people including myself! Yes we were losing and yes it was horrible, but wheres the swindon town spirit! You tryed starting a few chants and me and my Fam joined in! It was frustrating. Our team got us to Wembley. We were outplayed by a team that were better than us, But thats football. We just were not good enough.

Whatever the hell that was yesterday, it was not football.

benny my man, I hear you.

Same story with us in block 135. We were in the second last row and the cunt behind me even tried to get me to sit down. The back fucking row!!

Atmosphere in the 2hours between us arriving at wembley central, and wembley stadium, was electric. It went downhill from there.

Plastic stadium, plastic fans. I'd be happier holding it in villa park or somewhere and have a rammed full stadium with the people who wanted to get behind their team in the majority. The wembley experience was fucking toilet for me.

thanks.
a few did try to sing and a couple of times it worked pretty well.but i was shouting red army on my own and getting about 5-8 people shouting it back most of the time.
it wasn't as if people couldn't hear me as i am a loud git when i want to be.
i made comments like "get behind them" "make the most of it as we dont come her often" etc.and i could see how frustrated those who wanted to sing were as they looked at me in agreement.

That's the block I was having a go at. Obviously not directed at you! I was about 4 from the back a few seats in from the steps. Useless bunch of fucking cunts. Ruined my day. Aside from the shit performance on the pitch. It completely fucked my day.

So what would you suggest to get more atmosphere in a ground IE either Wembley or the CG,lets be honest here when people do sing it lasts about five to ten mins at most.I hate harking back to the 80s but when we sung then it could go on for a good 30 mins or more at times.

Maybe it's just the different generation of supporters these days.

I guess im just ranting because im pissed off and finding it hard stomach yesterdays defeat.

Just posted about this in the other thread. Poor acoustics in that place. Who knows maybe it was just our support though?

I don't I'm afraid. I do see where you're coming from, but I think a "singing section" would make it worse not better, by sealing in the situation we have now with regulations.

Think we're all there mate and I don't blame you. The cat's giving me a wide berth today!

i think safe standing would help but really it'll just be a "singing section" in all but name.

interesting that arriba was trying to start chants in the block next to me and i didn't hear it at all.

Safe standing is fine. Having a designated singing section is pathetic, it adds weight to the sofa fan's theory that they don't want to be disturbed whilst watching the match, which is why they sit in a non designated singing section.

You must be on a wind up if you can't see that.

I think the 7/8,000 number might have been informed by the exception this season that was the Charlton home play off leg. Stood in the Town End (which was very loud for once). we were all looking at each other in amazement about the amount of sound coming from the Arkells (and the DRS for that matter). It wasn't just the noise from the happy clappy gizmos, but singing.

I guess I was expecting a repeat of that yesterday, but no.

where was my kiss?

aside from the fact that a "singing area" is totally fucking bent, the problem it creates is that it segregates the fans, it creates a schism between 'proper' fans and 'plastic' fans who don't want to sing.

a safe standing area will do exactly the same.

personally i'm all for standing at football and couldn't really give a fuck whether people want to sing or not. it's obvious from experience that getting people who want to sing together creates a better atmosphere, spread them out thinly across 30,000 seats and you get nothing.

arriba - i don't know what you look like and i was too sober to kiss total strangers, sorry

i did look around to see if you were about, as i've seen the odd picture of you on here.i didn't see you

it will to an extent I agree, but it won't be called a fucking "designated singing area"

it won't give plastic cunts the opportunity to say to people that might want to sit, and make noise "stop singing please this isn't a designated singing area"

world of difference.

If we ever get a designated singing area I might stop going to the county ground. if we got safe standing it would be a fantastic addition and would improve the matchday atmosphere immensley in my opinion.

We have a singing area. It's called the Town End or the adjacent part of the DRS.

Don't you fucking start/

Haven't been through the whole thread and its probably already been said but there were far too many people yesterday who were just there for a day out to see wembley and didn't give a flying fuck about cheering the lads on. They were more focused on moaning about people standing up.

i looked like a drowned rat after walking to the ground, so you might not have recognised me  :)


don't get me wrong, i agree with you - i was just elaborating on what paul said. i think safe standing, particularly in a redeveloped town end, would not only create a great atmosphere again but would make us pioneers - something i think fitton et al would love to be.

yesterday was a perfect example of what is wrong with modern football and why i could never get passionate about supporting a "big" team. my girlfriend enjoyed the novelty of going to wembley etc but she's only been to a handful of games before. i don't think you really appreciate a football day until you go to somewhere like doncaster on a tuesday night where 200 town fans created one of the best atmospheres i've seen.

ah right you're talking my language then.

Safe standing would be immense, not sure where the rules and regs are on it these days as its common over europe - but as you say I can imagine Fitton and co would be all over this idea if its a viable option for the CG redevelopment.

re tuesday night at doncaster etc, thats what football will always be about for me, the away day specials, and why my best ever footballing moments pretty much all happened away from the cg. with the valley last monday topping all of them!

Apologies for stating what has already been said but I feel I have to voice my thoughts....

After that night at Charlton all I have been thinking about was yesterday at Wembley.  I had seen England play there a couple of times but to see my team at Wembley was just something else.  They day started off in good spirits and seeing the hoards of Town fans up the M4 got the juices flowing.  A couple of drinks around Wembley and a good sing song down by Tesco's and then onto the stadium.

From there it went downhill.  Within 30 seconds of the kick off we were told to sit down by an elderly lady who was sat behind us, now I hate sitting at football but fair enough especially as there were kids with her.  We were then subjected to being called "plastic cunts" by a delightful chap in the row infront, now we dont claim to be a "superfan" but we objected to his views and at HT moved to Block 125.  From there we watched a rather inept performance which pretty much summed up my Wembley experience..............a let down and totally shite.

We had a good discussion in the car on the way back home, mainly suggesting that it might be better to have blocks within Wembley which are set aside/suggested for people to sing etc meaning that drunken chaps who like a bit of a sing song are not sat next to families with young kids who may not appreciate the "working class environment" of football.  We found yesterday that many people were dotted about and couldnt generate an atmosphere.

What we must not forget that it was been a brilliant season.  And at least we can give the JPT another shot next year, anyone for Oxford in the first round?

Support yesterday was abysmal.

Although anyone who went upper tier only has themselves to blame.

And unfortunately you cant get people to sing come on you reds, if you are playing white.

Paul – I have exactly the same opinions to you .  I was in the second to back row of the same block as you (I know this because the lads starting the singing were in the back row behind me and shouted your name and waved to you).  I guess they’re probably TEF’s and know they’re season ticket holders, because we had a brief discussion at the beginning about how nervous we were.  I was able to stand up throughout with no objections as others seem to have had, as they were the only people behind me and also standing.  There was also a small group between us and you who were also regularly singing – that was it though.

Also had my 6 year old with me, who was slightly worried with the level of noise and singing prior to the match in the pub and I remember thinking he’s going to be a nightmare in the stadium with all the noise – yeah right!

He ended up most bothered due to the various instances our coach had with Millwall fans as we left the car park.  The shouting and gesticulating he didn’t fully understand and fund quite amusing, but when some stones and cans were thrown and one twat outside actually opened the back door of our coach to try and get on, we had tears.  Just about summed up the whole experience.

Massively disappointed in everything yesterday, not just the atmosphere and the way we played, but for the first time ever Swindon have lost at Wembley and have lost a Play Off Final.  Those records are now gone forever.

I think the JPT group stage is regionalised in the early stages, so there's every chance we may play Oxford.

We never got them from 2000 - 2005.

The first few rounds of the JPT are absolute rubbish. The Pox really are not worth the hassle in the JPT.

Bit worried as well. This team could become the breaker of some proud records. Our proud record of winning at Wembley (gone) our proud tradition of red shirts (gone) our proud record of not having lost at home to our rivals for 37 years?

As a product of the 70's & 80's town end (conveniently forgetting '81 to '85) yesterday has to go down as the worst Town support I have ever known if you consider the magnitude of the game & the numbers following us!! In our party of 7 only 4 of us were die-hards but the other 3 joined in with the singing because we encouraged them to do so (note the word encourage & not aggressive insulting). I understand all the frustration & there have been loads of valid points made on here about the stadium acoustics, being outplayed in the 1st half, day-trippers, plastics etc. However nobody is going to follow the lead of people who angrily shout at them to sing, least of all those who are 1st timers or show up once a decade. Call me a liberal cunt in my old age if you wish but if we all made an effort to encourage those around us rather than intimidate them then I'm sure the atmosphere would have greatly improved. That said, the whole Wembley experience leaves a bitter taste. Aside from the pain of the result & the performance, there was the ridiculous ticket prices, extortionate concessions, an £800 million stadium that already has a leaky roof! and the shitty area around the ground. To cap it all off, running the gauntlet of Wembley way through the lowest forms of life I have ever seen compounded my misery on what I honestly thought was going to be an amazing day!!! And when I say the lowest forms of life I don't say it lightly as I'm very well travelled!! How so many people from a relatively small part of London can have so much anger that they can't even celebrate without abusing people is beyond my comprehension!! Yesterday I woke up like an excited 7 year old at christmas & went to bed like a bitter & twisted pensioner!! 3 things would have made all the difference yesterday. 1) If the match was played at the Millennium stadium - better atmosphere & a city centre / bay area with something for everybody. 2) Any opponents other than that shower of neanderthal scum. 3) A team that didn't suffer from stage fright - with the odd exception. I'm still proud of the season we've had & the progress the club has made but right now typing all this out just feels like a "therapy session". Keep the faith & I'm sure Danny & the board won't allow the momentum we've built up to go to waste. Cheers & apologies for the long winded 1st post  :)

  

good first post.

Shit 7367th post

:)

I had the honour of standing with KOT and the South Oxon Reds for the first half, and they really tried to get the atmosphere going. Sadly it sort of Petered out when they didn't get much response from the surrounding people and I sat on my hands for the second half with my dad.

Not sure who the drunk guy with the hat was that was standing next to me in the first half but fair play he tried his hardest to get some songs going.

Nobody around us tried getting snogs started, and no-one argued with each other. It was good

It sounds like your area of the ground was not feeling the love!

I know you're just on a wind-up most of the time, and think you're being provocative/funny. But you're actually not very good at it and it just makes you come across as a bit of a cock. Please stop it.

If you want 20k plus of non regulars to join in then it has to be the very basic one to two word songs.  That's why Millwall were loud- one word (and even then they were clearly mostly joining in something they didn't really get because they didn't sustain it and finish it with Wall, they just did a loud Millllll).

90/93 - both times we used basic stuff but yesterday there were pockets of people trying diferent songs at the same time.  Come on You Reds and clapping with Swindon at the end were the only two we would have any chance of getting going.

Oh, and while it made me chuckle a bit, the Milwall fans are stereotype of everything that is wrong with football.  I'd rather be among 32,000 people with minimal atmosphere than the gaggle of Millwall fans outside the ground both pre and post match.  And that is not sour grapes, becasue they were and are a better team than us, not just on the day.

Oh come on Captain Serious, there was an opportunity for a snog based punfest there and you passed it over.

Bugger, didn't even see that. He's still a cock though

What! I wasn't attempting to be provocative or humorous. I spelled song incorrectly, but the rest still stands.

There was no-one trying to start songs around us.
Nobody was getting irate at the supposed lack of atmosphere
I enjoyed that aspect, as did (i assume) everyone else in my immediate area.

That's not to say I and others around me didn't join in with chants that took place, as we did. It's also not to say I and others around me weren't fully supportive of the players, and vocally encouraged, as we were. Even my dad, who is only a passing fan (boo-hiss) and is one of the most reserved people I know, shouted encouragement at one stage. But because we didn't all come together as one in a perfectly orchestrated sing-song it's invalid and we should all be demonised for 'not being true supporters'.

FWIW I think our support, in volume, was a little dissapointing. Although not to the extent some seem to believe. Is that such a suprise though? We're hardly the most vocal bunch at home, so with numbers so diluted as they were yesterday we were never going to raise the roof. And in all honesty, how will someone shouting, and questioning the strength of your fandom, envoke someone to get involved with chants which at best are too fast paced to enjoy and at worst far too conveluted and obscene for the family orientated fan to sing along too?

The atmosphere at the 90's finals were different class to yesterday but then so was the team performance.  I think the way that all parts of Millwall went at us (team and fans) blew us away, first on the pitch in the first half and consequently in the stands.  In the 90's the team was much more up for it and also the fans.  Millwall had obviously learnt from last year, we had better do the same for the next time, we can't collectively be as poor again.  

If we go back next year perhaps everyone should have a decibel meter implanted.  If it doesn't register constant periods of noise, thats it, banned from Wembley again (I thought saying banned from the GC but for most that wouldn't matter)

There have been posts on the adver website slagging of the players.  I think the players have the perfect right to post and slagg off the fans performance yesterday.  We were woeful.

It's not fair to compare the present day with the 90's. Football has changed a helluva lot, and will never be the same again.

The experienced players those play off teams had aswell made a massive difference.

At the top level and in terms of players money, diet etc I would have to agree.  For the fans of the lower league clubs has it?
 
My wembley experience was much the same yesterday as in the 90's except I am older, was a bit less pissed and was a hell of a lot more pissed off at the end of it.  The experience at Chartlon away a few days ago was just like the 'old' days, stood up the whole match singing - and so did my wife next to me.  We are both in our 40's now and loved every minute of it.  I reckon comparing to the 90's is valid - you certainly can't tell me Millwall have moved into this century

Really? My memory of the other finals were so different. More or less stood the whole way through the other games singing non stop without some whiney old cunt telling everyone to sit down.

The new wembley is all about people having enough room to make sure they are comftable where they are sat and the build up in the ground is shit.They have turned it into this glitzy showbiz affair with shitty music and fireworks.The concourse isnt packed it echoes and is dead as fuck.

The stadium looks the bollocks but these days for most clubs who go for the first time it's all about visiting the new wembley rather than getting in and creating a atmosphere.Millwall fans will tell you that the support they had this year was alot better than last.If we get there next year our suppoert would no doubt be more vocal aswell.

My apologies, I assumed you must have been. In which case you're an even bigger cock than I first thought.

A little disappointing? We were a fucking embarrassment.

"Come on you Reds" and "Swindon" - too convoluted or obscene? How thick/prudish are these "family orientated fans" in your imaginings? Bollocks. And bollocks to the "oooh, we were all quite spread out". The stadium was the same for Millwall, Cardiff, Blackpool, Rotherham. They all managed to make a noise. Nor do I buy the "too many day trippers" thing - we've also got far too many regulars who are more than happy to be vocal when they're moaning/having a go at players but can't seem to muster the simplest of chants to get behind the team when we're up against it. We were fucking pathetic yesterday, end of. No excuses.

And if you were quite happy with that or thought it was in any way acceptable from hardcore fans, lapsed fans, daytrippers whatever the fuck, then I despair. I suggest you go back to collecting fucking bus numbers or whatever dufflecoat hobby it is, because you clearly don't get football.

Fucking embarrassment from start to finish (the game and your attitude)

....and your ginger!!

Huh? Volume was poor and I'm not trying to make excuses. The only difference between yourself and I is I'm not getting so worked up about it.

Life is ultimatley far too short.

I would have improved the atmosphere, but unfortunately I was stuffed full of free food. And not a vol au vent in sight.

Jeez Paul, it's gone, it's over. Forget it.

Along with white kit at Wembley, Ben Hutchison and orange hats.

You've got two months off now, enjoy them mate.

Remember the orange hats and white kit, but forget the rest..well maybe apart from Hutchinson scoring at Brentford

I love how everyones turning on each other,its just like the old days.

fuck off yeovil

 :toocool:

That's what waiting 17 years for what ends up being a damp squib does to you. Hopefully Wembley appearances are like busses, and there will be another one along in a minute. But history suggests otherwise. Where is that eeyore  pic Reg?

To be honest I thought the atmosphere at our end was crap. 2 reasons for it. No.1, the fans were quite spread out in places, where I was just up from the corner flag we had 40 or 50 empty seats down in front of us.

2nd and most important is that the player just never got going, were 2nd best all over the pitch and there just wasn't anything to sing about. And then were in to a chicken and the egg scenario, and from my perspective the players have a part to play in getting the crowd geed up by competing, not pulling out of tackles and being bullied all over the pitch.

So proud of our season but the day was a let down performance wise. Will be better next year!

Fuck off. Fucking disgraceful. Biggest game for 17 years and you only care about the free food. Fucking day trippers.

Yep, I'm inclined to agree. Even then this thread has become a bit of a pointless exercise - it's not as if we can make sure we do things differently next week when we go to Wembley.

Perhaps the issue should be resurrected if and when we're due to go to Wembley again. I suppose the only way round the issue is to have a few hundred people who will sing sat in close proximity to each other, which would probably be difficult but not impossible to organise.

I think alot of the problems regarding the atmosphere was the way the tickets were sold, in the 90s me and 10 of my mates qued at the CG & purchased 10 each which meant there was a 100 or so all sat together, this also meant you could all stand up together a sing without having some knob telling you to sit down or look at you as if you had just got out of a mental home, the buying online thing made it harder to get everyone together

This is very true

At the CG everyone knows (or figures out pretty quickly) the various sections of the ground, especially where the standing and singing sections are so you can make sure you get your tickets in the right section and everyone is happy. It's the same with away games, as everyone knows standing and singing is a given so you need to put up with it if you don't like it.

But that all goes out of the window when it comes to Wembley, or at least it did this time. So maybe next time round the club should be getting together with the fans to allocate sections of Wembley to the relevant sections of support at the CG.

Maybe work out some way to get some instruments (or any kind of noise making device) to help generate more of an atmosphere. Plus making sure there is a sea of the same colour in our end as well - the Blackpool end was pretty much all orange and I'm sure that must help the fans and players get a bit more hyped.

I know it sounds a bit gay, but how about song sheets? Some simple songs printed up and handed out en masse to ensure we're all working to the same script. Again, I know it sounds gay but anything that helps is worth a try.

Everyone was excited about Wembley and didn't envisage what happened. If we did, I'm sure we could have organised just going in one block for the 'vocalists'. It's not like tickets suddenly went on sale.

But I don't think people would do this anyway. It's just like the DRS and Town End situation at our place. A lot of people don't want to sacrifice their view/position in the ground for a better atmosphere.

If we're going to rectify the situation, we need to get more people chanting at our place. I've heard the DRS and Arkells have a bit of a go towards the end of the season and the Town End pick up too. I'm sure the football continues to be as good we can make it happen in the stands.

Ban please.

the simple solution would be for the day trippers to join in.

easy.

One other thought that came to me this afternoon.  We've been beating ourselves up since Saturday about the poor atmosphere and lack of vocal support in the ground.  It's worth remembering, though, that just weeks before we completely outsang Charlton over both legs of the semis.  Something just did not click on Saturday.  If we get to Wembley again some time soon, we'll be better prepared and I'm sure we'll put on a better vocal show for the players.

agree.this and not wearing red are the 2 major reasons it was so fucking flat

I think people are just looking for a grumble without trying to direct anything towards the performance from the players, mainly because even though it was an utterly shit game from our perspective, it's been an incredible turnaround to even get there.

Did you have a 'singing section' at Wembley? I think it was Cambridge who started the idea the other season, the central blocks of the bottom tier behind the goal are available only to season ticket holders first, then everyone else, and supporters are reminded that a singing section includes 'passionate supporters who may use colourful language at times' - tends to weed most of the daytrippers out and improves the atmosphere as you get the core fans bunched up. Would definitely be worth a go next time.

Fair enough arriba, must have been someone else.  Please accept my apologies.

no probs

Tickets were only available to season ticket holders first, but nearly all blocks were available, so was impossible to know where people were going to buy.  Also, tickets were sold through Ticketzone not through the club.  Alot of us bought online, which was a nightmare in itself, as you could only buy 6 tickets together using one season ticket.  As previously mentioned alot of people preferred it when you had to go and queue at the ground like in 1993.  Back then, I went on a private coach and the whole coach had seats together in Wembley because 15 or so people had gone down together and bought so many tickets each.

I'm confused.

I'm sure Davis told me to 'fuck off back to my methane pit and go hug a tree' or some such last night  ???

Perhaps it was just a bad dream, like the 90 minutes on Saturday...

Just to add to what everyone else has already said. I was standing there, block 238, head in me hands in utter disbelief at Charlie missing (didn't know about the bobble at the time, terrible bad luck), realising our season was effectively ending and some cunt starts shouting at me to sit down.

I nearly fucking lost it. Had to go and watch the rest of the game in another block, or I would have lamped the fucker.

Still think the performance had a lot to do with the atmosphere.

And why do Millwall do that fucking slit across their throats thing? Fucking gay if you ask me.

i had a bloke behind me tell me to sit down. i did go fucking mental at him though.

told him he was a fucking day tripper and part time fan who was only here for a wembley day out etc etc

The bloke moved 10 mins later :)

You must be so proud

you've no idea

Well done

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Fuck the sarcastic responses, you woz right mate.

Not only is it a football match where people have a tendency to be active and make noise. But what right does he have to tell YOU what to do, it's you day out as well.

All those of you trying to be smart with your sarcasm.... I S'pose that you would have just sat down and be quiet like obedient little puppies right, well good for you. I'd rather fuck them off and get behind my team which, surely, is the point of being there.

Likewise this blokes paid upwards of £50 to watch a football match. Except he can't because someone's stood up in front of him, and then abusing him.

Football should be watched standing up, but it's not right to expect everyone to want to. I try and stand up whenever I can, but if people behind me are sitting down I'll sit down, because I'm not a selfish cunt

no but your a 2 bit cunt dave.

i was actually stood up singing the national anthem like everyone else should be doing if you really wanted to know why i was stood up

It's a fucking football match dave. If he doesn't want to stand up then he should have spent his money elsewhere.

It's like going to a grunge concert and complaining about everybody moshing on the dance floor. If you don't like it then it ain't for you, is it.

Why should I sing the national anthem?  I'm an anti-royal atheist, so urging god to save the queen seems a bit odd.

If that's the case then it is a bit fucking silly of him to moan.


Not really. Football has been all seating for nearly 20 years. Terraces and the communal standing areas are a dying breed.

I don't know if you are taking the piss, but why would that allow you to tell others what to do?

hence my reaction


try telling the townend that

It doesn't - I was merely saying that "stood up singing the national anthem like everyone else should be doing" also smacks a bit of telling people what to do.

People watch football in different ways.  If people want to sing their hearts out and swear like a *** then go for it - but don't call me a twat or think I'm less of a fan than you because I watch football in a different way.  Each to their own, live and let live etc.

Thats the problem.

I paid upward of £50 to support my team.

If I wanted to purely watch it, I'd have stayed at home and watched in the tv, with commentary, the best view and replays.

Most of the town end sit down for most of the game. It's only the middle but that stands through the 90 minutes. I don't really see how you've disproved me

No it's not. The only part of the stand that sits down is the Arkells end. I've been stood up in the DRS end since I started going.

you stated communal standing areas to which the townend is. 2/3rds of the supporters in there stand up week in week out.

It's still not as many standing as there was in the past though was there?

To be honest I can't be arsed with another debate like this. No-ones views will change and it'll just degenerate into PaulD calling me names again

i genuinely can't grasp what any of you are arguing about.

Forget safe standing, we should integrate drums into a new stand. That'll get the atmosphere rocking.

Or do something different and dangle loads of windchimes from the roof.

Ah bless, did the nasty man say bad things? That wasn't degenerating, that was the highpoint of the thread :)

Oh, and TT yes, I did post something about methane pits, but thought better of it and deleted it. Sorry, but you really shouldn't try and talk sense to an angry man wallowing in his own disappointment

I wasn't even there SY so I am not arguing about the atmosphere,

What has gotten under my skin is smart arses coming on here and trying to act morally superior with sarcy little comments. (Not yourself)

Congratulations. 

WILL SOMEONE BAN THIS CUNT BEFORE I BLOW UP CROYDON

I will give them the 30p needed to rebuild it.

Please do. You can do us all a favour.