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Who are the gayers at Swindon then?? ;)

Homophobia is rampant is football and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

It's not like racism in football at all. People's skin colour being different is natural and normal.

Homesexuality is neither. Why don't we get footballers with any kind of perversion to 'come out'?

Some things are better left in the closet......

You can no more choose your sexuality than you can your skin colour - so in fact it is the same.  Your idea than homosexuality is a "choice" and a "perversion" is exactly the kind of attitude that shows that football is still, to coin a phrase, "in the dark ages" when it comes to sexual orientation.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Some normal, well-adjusted and well-rounded people believe homoexuality to be a disease or brain damage of some sort.

That is also an opinion.

What Twin Studies Tell us about Homosexuality
Scientists have studied twins to try and learn if being gay is biologically determined. Studies of identical and fraternal twins suggest that there is a genetic influence on sexual orientation. If being gay were strictly genetic, then in identical twins, there would be a 100% concordance rate for sexual orientation. But one study in 1995 found a 52% correlation for male identical twins and 22% for male fraternal twins. A study on females came up with similar results. If one identical twin was a lesbian, in 48% of cases, the other twin was also a lesbian. For fraternal twins, the concordance was 16%. (source Simon LeVay
These studies show that people with the same genetic make up (identical twins) are more likely to share sexual orientation than those with different genetic make up (fraternal twins.) Genetics alone cannot cause sexual orientation, but they do play a part.

Is there a gay gene?
Scientists have not been able to conclude that there is any gene or combination of genes that will make someone gay. Genetics is very complex and scientists continue to study both humans and animals chromosomes for linkage to sexual orientation.

What about the gay brain study?
A widely publicized study in 1999 found that a certain part of the hypothalamus was smaller in gay men then in heterosexual men. This study was widely touted at the time as “proof” that one’s sexual orientation is biological and not chosen. But it is not known whether these differences in brain are present at birth or if they occur over a lifetime.

I didn't say that homosexuality was strictly genetic.  All the best research has been completely inconclusive as to the reasons that people are gay.  Consider the social argument though:

Why would anyone choose to be something that could cause them to be scorned by society, rejected by their families, deny them rights and subject them to possible violent hate crimes?

(That's from the same web link as you posted - you can validate any argument with a bit of selective copy and pasting, eh?)


 The main issue here is whether people consider it to be "wrong" or "perverse" - which I guess you may subscribe to if you keep to the "brain damage or disease" line.  I contend that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual.  Homosexual behaviour has also been observed widely throughout the animal kingdom (and in the film Gladiator, but that's by the by...) taking away the argument of human critical awareness as a factor.

Why would anyone choose to be something that could cause them to be scorned by society, rejected by their families, deny them rights and subject them to possible violent hate crimes?

I haven't stated my opinion on homosexuality, just playing devil's advocate. And to answer the question of why someone would choose... some people like being the centre of attention. Even if that attention is negative. And then there's the social aspect of it, it's not like openly gay people are outcasts is it? There is a thriving gay community, in this country at least, I suppose that would bring about a sense of belonging and friendship that counteracts the negative parts.

Could it just be that they like the thought of a willy up their bum ?

People make choices in ALL parts of life - why should whether you are gay or not be any different ?

I choose to be straight - I'm not sure I was born straight or gay - but I don't fancy a willy up my bum - so I choose to be straight....

Surely in exactly the same way that a gay bloke chooses to be gay ?

Didn't a former Wales rugby player come out recently?

And another thing I've noticed is that although most "men of a certain age" are stanchly homophobic, all of them fucking love Queen.

How weird is that?!

Why the fuck do bummers feel the need to "come out" anyway? It annoys the shit out of me.

EVERYONE! EVERYONE! LISTEN!!!! I HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SAY!!!

I'MMMMMMMMMMMM STRAAAIIIIIGHHHTTT!!!!!!

Well done.

I really couldn't care less if some footballers are gay or not, or whether they are still in the closet or not.

Frankly it's all a bit of banter, no worse than calling a player a fat bastard or a wanker. It's designed to put players off, direct a bit of verbal abuse at them to get them thinking about the crowd and not the game. It's probably the people who don't go to live games who think that the majority of the crowd are actually deriding a person's sexuality rather than doing what I explained.

I can see why a player wouldn't come out, it gives the crowd a good excuse to direct some of this at specific players. But really the crowd will always pick on something anyway, not necessarily the gay thing. Besides, why should a gay player come out publicly? It's their life, if they want to keep it private then that's quite a refreshing change from the footballers who flaunt their lives around because they have a bit of money.

I'm not homophobic but....if I was a footballer and found out one of my team mates was gay and that I'd been showering in front of them I wouldn't be too pleased. Would anyone?

I'm not homophobic but....if I was a footballer and found out one of my team mates was gay and that I'd been showering in front of them I wouldn't be too pleased. Would anyone?

What you haven't chosen is the fact that you don't "fancy a willy up you bum" - even within your own argument this part seems to be instinctive, therefore you are straight - what if your instinct was the opposite?  To put it crudely, what if, instinctively, the thought of another blokes appendage excited you, and the thought of a pair of knockers disgusted you?  Again, there would be little choice - the logical extend of this instinct would be to be gay.

Why would it matter?
Unless he tries to fuck you up the ass during your shower or go in for a reach around, I don't see it's an issue.

Who is to say whether it is choice or instinct ?  This is the point....

To me it's a choice - to you it's an instinct....

Neither of us is "right or wrong" - it's purely an opinion.  There is no definitive proof one way or the other - so you cannot dismiss the "choice" argument (as you seem to be doing) any more than realistically I can dismiss the instinctive choice (even though I disagree with it).....

I am not homophobic - I just don't personally like the idea of it - but what someone else chooses to do is up to them - as long as it is not "flaunted" in front of me (in the same way I don't want to see a bloke and a bird being overtly fruity in public).....

Billy, are you a gay footballer per chance?

You've gotta fight. For your right. To buuuuuummmm men

All gays are fucking assholes

I'm not homophobic but....if I was a footballer and found out one of my team mates was gay and that I'd been showering in front of them I wouldn't be too pleased. Would anyone?

Or is there another reason I'm not thinking of?

Isn't Ashley Cole fond of the wrong hole?

I remember a News of the Screws piece with Cole, Jenas and another were caught shoving mobile phones up one anothers ring pieces.

you've probably had a piss next to a gay man in a public toilet somewhere. why is it a problem?

Its always good to see a serious and enjoyable debate go rapidly downhill.

You ask women why they wouldn't shower with men and they'd say I don't want them looking at my bits and knocking one off. Ask men the same question and they'd say don't be stupid I'd love to so I could look at their bits and then knock one off.

OK, if its such a stupid comment - why do men and women have separate changing rooms? Surely its just a sexual thing isn't it? You ask women why they wouldn't shower with men and they'd say I don't want them looking at my bits and knocking one off. Ask men the same question and they'd say don't be stupid I'd love to so I could look at their bits and then knock one off.

Sod the gays I have a major problem with young girls that wont sleep with older overweight men. Fucking insanity if you ask me. Something should be done.

Sod the gays, I have a major problem with young girls

I won't slag off any individual or group, be they black, gay, Amish, whatever.