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As usual I come in peace - happy new year to you all.

The game might be off on sat - that will please some I know but those that do intend to travel - just thought I would let you know.

Pitch was frozen in many parts on Sat but still went ahead - since then we have had temps as low as -6 it's not raised much above that since and now were about 5" deep in snow with no sign of it letting up any time soon

Just thought I would let you know

Is this an official matchday thread? KOT will be most displeased.

No - just a friendly warning

Sorted :D

Are we all welcome to come on the Moo Camp forum and give our New Years greetings?

You can shove your Happy New Year up Peter Wikleman's bumhole where you lot and the FA live. Fuck off you festering heap of shit. It will be a good year if you lot go out of business. Oh yes, and you can shove that fucking drum up Peter Winkleman's bum hole as well.

I'm leaving my decision until the very last minute over this one. If it's going to get called off, hopefully they'll do it nice and early.

Cock off.

Why the hostility?

I don't give a fuck if you come in peace or not. What gives you the right to come on here and talk to real football fans you club stealing wank stain?

Apparently some people don't like Franchise, something to do with a franchise?

He seems decent though, so I agree.  Unless you are being sarcastic, in which case I disagree with your sarcasm.

Or something.

No such thing as a 'decent' Franchise fan. If he was 'decent' he wouldn't support that abomanation.

He was decent enough when we shared a pint with him before

He was decent enough to come on here to tell us the about the weather conditions in the locality of a forthcoming game.  I don't think he personally destroyed Wimbledon FC either - the new fans are not to blame.

No sarcasm from me BS  :)............. (seriously).

So who was he 'decently' supporting prior to 2004 then?

No one

The people who pay money towards this awful experiment, legitimize what Winkelman did to Wimbledon.

If the OP and anyone else in Milton Keynes wanted a league football club they should have also wanted to earn it like every other club. The way MK Don effectively stole someone elses league place undermines the game as a whole, any achievement this 'club' subsequently makes will be hollow as a result.

I honestly hate Oxford less.

i agree pwp, but you can't blame people from milton keynes supporting them.

"i agree pwp, but you can't blame people from milton keynes supporting them."

I can and I will.

Fwiw i agree just saying met Cowshedphil and he was a decent enough lad

i hate them and what they did,but they saw an opportunity and took it.
they have done what they set out to acheive.wrong as it may be.
they will always be a stolen fake football club with no history, but i dont blame the fans they have now attracted

As usual I wish you'd fuck off.

Agree 100%.  That abomination should never have been allowed to exist in the first place.  It should never be allowed to happen again and anyone who supports that team should hang their head in shame. 

He may be a decent person but it's impossible for him to be a decent football fan.

Give the fella stick for supporting franchise but cut him some slack for giving football fans some helpful information about whether the game is going ahead or not.

He's not being hostile in any way and seems decent.

Ah get of your horse pets, i know and MK fan who didn't support anyone as he didn't like football but takes his 7 and 8 year old who didn't support anyone before , times move on and he doesnt deserve abuse for giving advice, save that for your winkleman dartboard.

Did anyone else hear on 5 Live at the weekend the Franchise "fan" and his son call in before the Burnley game to talk about the game etc.? 

After a few moments, the presenter said "so how long have you been supporting Franchise" and the bloke said, "well actually, we are Liverpool fans but this is a local match for us to watch".

Made me laugh seeing as that pretty much sums up their fan base!

I'm with Pets.  Cowshed-whatever-he's-called deserves all the abuse he gets.  It's folk like him ('Don't blame me...I just like football') that make the whole franchise experiment possible.  Winkleman was the architect.  Franchise 'fans' are the collaborators.

I don't care how anyone wants to dress it up.  Franchise fans are in receipt of stolen goods.  Anyone who thinks we should 'move on' would, no doubt, be mightily pissed off if next time it was STFC that was carted 60 miles across the country...only for other fans to drop their opposition after a poxy 5 years.

The Franchise was abhorrent in 2003 and it's abhorrent now.  I will never visit the Stadium:MK (or any other ground that feels it necessary to insert a colon in to its name, for that matter.)

You're not working at home, you're finishing off that banner aren't you ;)

Well said Ardiles.

It's not about Phil the person, he could be a Mother Theresa in life but that's irrelevant, its about Phil the fan.

Fully agree on the comments on here. They are a bunch of shysters.

And the way the FA have been allowed to bid for 2018 is an abomination.Those who wish to protest about the inclusion of Milton Keynes in the bid can sign here:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/mk2018bid/?showall=1

Wow, an online petiton. I'm sure it will be taken seriously

Cowshed thief has been pretty quiet since the talk turned from the weather to the 'experiment'.

Quite hard to defend the indefensible though isn't it?

he desreves all the abuse he gets for the fucking thread title. cunt.

Interesting:

http://www.wisa.org.uk/cgi/l/articles/index.cgi?action=show&id=603

"this Frankenstein club" ;D

Can't hurt to sign it though, can it? I have.

Fucking hell he's just a bloke, giving us friendly weather advice. Hate the club not the fan.

Come back phil xxx

There's room to hate both. Piss off Phil.

Don;t listen to him phil. He's just bitter and angry.

I think Phils gone!!!

Phil is alright, and is used to the abuse from all fans on other forums so it won't bother him.

As much as I dislike Franchise no amount of insults are going to reverse what's happened.

Most of their fans were armchair supporters of premier league clubs before they were presented with Wimbledon and as such were never (or very rarely) active supporters who attended games.

Like it or not, given a few more years this will just be a footnote in footballs history.

Without the later the former would never survive, which would be no bad thing. Giving money to Winkleman is simply wrong.

Fully agree. If you pay money to Franchise, you're supporting Wankleman's 'project'.

Jesus fucking christ. It's a football club at the end of the day, the bloke doesn't deserve this much abuse.

You live in a shit heap of a town, with no redeeming features and suddenly a football league club arrives on your doorstep. You haven't had much close ties to a particular football club your bound to take an interest.

I bet 95% of people who like football would do exactly the same. Like I said, blame winkleman all you want. Spit on his grave, cut off his hair. Treat the fans with a bit of respect.

Like many of these arguments, at the end of the day it's only football. Nobody dies, the world keeps on spinning. Stop being so immature

Fuck off Dave.

Perhaps respect was a bit strong. They get looked at in the same light as rapists and baby murderers though, which is wrong

I only meant to disrespect the call for respect.


No they don't. Nobody is saying that. They should however be treated as lepers when it comes to matters of football.

Ohhh i don't even know why i'm angry any more. I just get annoyed when people start being abusive and mean.

Apologies all round

No need to apologise. I hope you turned red with rage :)

I think we should treat Arsenal supporters with the same contempt.

After spending the first 27 years of their existence in South East London they relocated to North London in 1913, the first real franchised club. The bloke who masterminded it was Sir Henry Norris who decided that the lack of support and financial contstraints imposed by being in Woolwich could be relieved by ripping the club away from the community that founded and supported it and moving it across the river to Highbury.

Lets all piss on his grave and refuse to go to the Emirates!

Arsenal = Franchise scum.

No, it's not. It's a fucking stain on our national heritage.
Yes he does, for all the reasons stated. He is actively participating in and supporting the theft of a long established club's league place and attempted theft of their identity. You'd be fucking fuming if it was us and the longer this abomination survives the more likely that some other equally dodgy fucker as Winkleman will look at a club in trouble and say "Hmmm, well it worked for Milton Keynes". That could easily have been us a couple of years ago. MKFranchise and their collaborators deserve all the abuse and vitriol they get. And there's no expiry time on that.

But thanks for telling us the weather's bad, though.

Erm did any one actually say that? No. Away from his choice of football team I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but no real supporter should ever 'respect' MK Don fans.

Stockport are in a bit of trouble at the moment, shall we move them to, say, Telford, after all 'it's only a football club at the end of the day'

But what about Arsenal?

Shall we get a petition up?

Ah the predictable Arsenal argument, usually gets wheeled out in these arguments, though generally by Franchise fans. They moved to another ground in the same city, completely different case.

Is it fuck a different case! We're talking about London here and a move across the river is not a small add-on to your journey (Particularly in 1913!).

A community in South East London was robbed of it's local team and an area in North London was gifted one.

And, just like Arsenal, after a few more years no one will give a toss.

I'm not saying it's right, but it is what will happen.

Would somebody please poke Dave in the eye, quite viciously.

Hang on, he deleted his post?

Far be it from me to stir things up, but he shouldn't get abuse, the club should, as should any club that moves to a different area. And dont forget AFC aren't immune playing in Kingston ;)

tee hee, that'd be quite amusing

Its people thinking like this which is why this was allowed to happen in the first place.  Its absolutely fucking ridiculous that people can be so apathetic about this issue.  Franchise should not and never should have been allowed to take over from Wimbledon.  Do we want a league which operates like the NFL where franchises are ten a penny.

 

Went to MK once when they were at the hockey club, got the tick (we do teams as opposed to grounds), will never, ever go again, including playoff semi’s / world cup. 

I hate them and everything they stand for.  Football and what it has become is pretty horrible nowadays, and MK are in part to blame.  Personally I wish the 92 club was the 91 club

PS you'll note I rarely post but MK make my blood boil - mucking stunts the lot of them

It wasn't the original thread title IIRC.

Whilst I disagree 150% with what Winkleman has done, the level of abuse that has been levelled at this bloke (Cow Shed Phil) is out of order.

I will express my opinions with my feet and not attend the game, but wont get drawn into personal abuse

Hear Hear.

 There is substance to the argument, although there are differences. Arsenal however were relegated just before the Great War, but mysteriously found themselves back in the top flight on the resumption, despite finishing 6th and Barnsley and Brum finishing above them, neither of whom were included in the new Div 1.

 I've always felt the Scum are a franchise....O*frod stealing the name Headington, when it had a senior non league side in its city...namely O*frod City.

Thats pretty much what i wanted to say, only in more eloquent terms

All the Franchise stuff aside has anyone noticed how well AFC Wimbledon are doing in the Conference this season? There's a chance they could even get back to where they belong this season. That would be some achievement. I think that once they do get back into the league then maybe the Franchise issue will be forgotten by some. I don't agree with what happened and never will but as soon as parity is restored in the form AFC reaching the football league I will at least be pleased that those who were stripped of their club have in many ways regained it.

In the situation that Wimbledon found themselves in, what were the realistic alternatives to the franchise?

That's not a loaded question, I genuinely don't know and am too lazy to find out myself.

Still, just to fit in: arsecunts.

I've been to the Hockey Ground 3 times and Stadium:MK twice.

Before everything else in life I fucking support Swindon Town Football Club. I would have paid money to Hilter to support my team. Patronising fuck.


I'm no expert so really couldnt tell you, but I'm sure naturally all those fully against the MK move did everything they could to keep Wimbledon going financially or maybe not.

from what i remember at the time,wimbledon fans were up in arms as they thought the club didn't exactly try hard to find a local location for a ground.
i think they were right and milton keynes was always going to be their preferred site.that frankly fucking stinks and should never have been allowed.the football league are to blame for this.
that said it's all done and dusted now aint it.i was really bitter about it for a while but time is moving.on Franchise are here and we have to accept it.

the arsenal move is not really a fair comparison.as has been mentioned they moved north of the river.many clubs relocated during the early years of football,or changed their names etc.
what Franchise did was totally different.

i think the real wimbledon fans will be having an absolute ball at the moment.they have a hardcore fan base and have been on the up since their creation.they will be back in the league within a couple of years.
what was a terrible injustice, has worked out alright for them now.

It's really been nothing compared to what they used to get on the old rivals Fred. And quite right to.

I'm impressed Pets, all this talk of rivals and general vileness, and you haven't been tempted to spread the word about Bob 67's little after game accident!

I just had a quick read on MK / Wimbledon on Wikipedia. That seems to say that a deal was agreed between the clubs and supporters whereby in effect, MK is viewed as a new club that played its first season in 2004/5 and Wimbledon AFC inherited the previous history of Wimbledon FC.

It doesn't make any mention of the FA and FL recognising this though, anyone know if they do?

Winkleman returned all the Trophies and stuff to Lambeth Council I believe, rather than to AFC Wimbledon.

True, although not party to it, I witnessed it back in the old MOS days.

You are right, it happened. Doesn't make it right though IMHO.

If the man was coming on here and generally taunting etc, then that makes him fair game in my book.

However he wasn't, was he ?

To me a franchise 'fan' is and always will be fair game just by existing, however I can see this isn't the consensus on here, and as this isn't really my board, I shall retire from this discussion.

PWP ............its a board for everyone, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and debate and banter is the norm.

As far as I am concerned there is no need to retire from the forum or the discussion.

Here here, without debate and disagreement this would be a very dull place.  Stick around PWP.

Dont worry i'll ban the fucker off ours ,so he'll have no choice but to come on here. (unless he bans me first of course)

I just meant I wasn't going to argue this point any more as I'm obviously not going to convince you.

fucking argue PWP you boring cunt, or are you just a plastic mk fan :)

Fuck that, stick the boot in Fred.

EDIT: Although PWP is 100% correct but that's no need for you to go all wishy-washy.

from an person who lives in MK, but is an Everton fan, who will always compare swindon and MK (by the towns and the football team - i've never lived in Swindon, so thats pointless on me), regarding the world cup bid:


Him :'so, within next 15 years milton keynes is going to just as big as cities as newcastle, isntabout fans longest teams etc etc, is wat will bring is most money'

Me :'but the WC will be giving the football club a little extra money...so that pretty much supports the defacing of english football. Nothing against the town, its more what the club stands for'

Him: 'the world cup is too show the rest of the world look how good our stadiums are and how convenient and proporationatly everything is ran, whilst running a profitable tournament that boosts our economy in the best approatiate way, obviously milton keynes is alot more suited that other less desireable clubs'

Me: ''convenient and proportionately everything is ran' - but its not ok to steal other clubs and turn them into a franchise though. the WC should be a way of showing the world how this country sees it's football. English football is based on a pyramid system with teams working their way up it by promotions. Not in the case of Franchise, who stole a club and got into the professional game by talking in meeting rooms. having stadium:mk as a stadium will bring that to light, and will leave a very bad impression of english football across the world.'

Him: 'jesus, look mk saved the dons from being completely and utterly fucked, in the process of that happened it was just a minor upsettin wimbledon fans and jealous fans who wished they could get a stadium like mk or wat the stadium will becomes, coz it will be in top 10/15 stadiums in uk in a few years times. And just face it money rules the world and ... See Moremore teams will fall under financial ruin and be resurected by very wealthy powerful people, its just the soical economic norm nowadays. and steal (i think it was done very much legally, so that term cant really be used). And bollocks it wil lleave a bad impression, u fink all the fans across the world will be listening to the tiny minority of bitter lower league supporters protesting outside mk's stadiums, like fuck they will watch the football and the stadium its played in, simple. Fans dont wants to come to some dead ent shit hole in the north, theyd much go to a mixture of traditional english cities and newer affluent places convinent to their travels. And can you really say you watched the south korea/japan world cup and looked up the historiacal significance of each stadium and club associted, nope. '

Hmm. Given Bill Kenwright is well documented as saying he doesn't have the money to take Everton forward and so is looking to sell, I wonder how your mate would feel if he sold to one of these dodgy Arab consortia we seem to be seeing so much of these days, who then decided that rather than being the 2nd team in Liverpool, they'd be much better off being the 1st team in some soulless shithole new town down south, and upped sticks and moved Everton to one of these "newer affluent places convinent to their travels"? Presumably, that'd be OK because money talks?

Why stop in the South Paul, why not move the club to Abu Dhabi, massive commercial advantages there.

Quite right.  Basingstoke could do with a league side.  Or Bracknell.  Or Guildford...no team in Surrey at all.

Guildford have already got Man Utd though

Maybe if you WAS a proper Wimbledon fan you would have felt differently....4000 did and regularly watch The team they follow at those little shit holes you so lovingly talk about.

Whilst it was a slightly confusing post, I think your argument should be with the MK scouser rather than Div...

Agreed...my apologies,as usual the pretend scouser was talking bollox...in my opinion that is.

should have told him to get his own pint!

Die a natural death (after fighting tooth and nail to survive) and start again from the bottom.

fixed it for you :-)

Much obliged.

It's ok, me and leefer have a special relationship.

As you can probably tell, the MK lad struggles to put a sentence together, so seeing any wrong doing would bolster his IQ dramatically!

I ask myself this question:

If STFC went bust, what team would I support instead.

My honest answer is: I wouldn't.

Plastic cunts just would not be able to fathom it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2201?&search=milton%20keynes&itemsPerPage=10&region=world&area=Milton%20Keynes

Says it not going to be over 0 up to saturday

Game is off.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/TicketNews/0,,10341~1925614,00.html

Boo - Dull weekend ahead.

Wow, great thread.

To be honest though folks - the abuse really doesnt bother me - so carry on.

Anyway as you all know - Game is off.

Good luck for the rest of the season
Phil

Tis true, for example it's well over a year since FourFourTwo did the "Is it finally okay to like Franchise" article. If the media are writing about this then the masses (especially the ignorant fans within the top flight who have barely even heard of some clubs in League 1 and 2) are agreeing so I imagine your point is well in motion.

Very happy that the general greatness of this thread has taken you so much by surprise.


Let's get this straight.  You, a Franchise customer, are wishing us, supporters of a team that's in direct competition for a promotion place, good luck?  I can only assume you're fairly new to football.

By way of reciprocation, I hope your 'team' dies a horrible death.

When we meet fans of teams in the upper echelons of the Premier League but live in Wroughton or London they usually give the excuse that 'my dad supported them for 40 years' or 'I liked them before they were good' in order to justify their support.  Just wondering if anyones heard any excuses for supporting Franchise yet.

I also hope Franchise die a death, even though it's unlikely.  I will hate the club until I draw my last breath, every bad thing that happens to the club will be greeted with a hearty laugh from some far corner of China.

and any victory they have will seem so hollow. On another forum I once said that a franchise fan celebrating success, would be like paying for a prostitute and then banging on about 'this fit bird you'd pulled'. I wonder what Phil thinks of this analogy?

..and yes I know I've been drawn back into this thread against my better judgement.

Seconded.

well I like the analogy

It's over, they've won.

Despite all the protesting and argument prior to and after their move to mk, they succeeded in their aim. I don't like them for it, much less respect their fans.

But to carry on with name calling and vitriol is pretty pointless, isn't it? They actually love the fact that people get so worked up about their existence, you're actually helping to give them their own identity.

Much better just to treat them with silent disdain.

Completely agree, well said.

Thirded

Yeah...that'll show 'em.

I think I prefer the Churchill approach (ie doggedly stick two fingers up at them) to the Halifax/Chamberlain preference of making peace with your enemy in the interests of convenience.

For the sake of the next team to be threatened by a franchising scheme - which, you never know, could one day be us - I think I'll stick resolutely to my current approach of politely reminding Phil and his ilk that they are the footballing scum of the Earth.  No to appeasement!

Explain how I'm advocating appeasement?

What is the point of treating them with disdain if it is done silently?

It means you don't give them the attention they so obviously crave. They fucking love the fact people spout off and get worked up about their club.

I'd prefer them to be ignored completely, no debate, no conversations, no insults, nothing.

Other wise known as letting them get away with it.

I think the point is that they have already got away with it.
Whether you like (or anyone else) it or not, they are not going away.
It's been done, all the shouting abuse, vitriol, pointless arguments isn't going to change that.

They are the laughing stock and are not treated with respect by any other fans, but to keep going on and on and on about it is pretty pointless.

That is a really awful analogy.

What you've just said is, anyone who has paid out in order to win things, hasnt really won anything.

"When Saturday Comes" the most excellent football magazine(10x better than 4-4-2) does just that and simply does not acknowledge their existence.Im with Herthab on this one.

Yes. I do like how every WSC Season Review makes a point of it.

M.ilton Keynes Dons
Not asked

Good on them.

I didn't realise WSC did that - I may have to start buying it.

good job the french resistance didnt feel like that.

and yes im comparing them to the nazis :)

Outside of a matchday I've yet to encounter a MKD fan. I've met plenty of old Wimbledon followers who opted to go AFCW though.

The media still fuels some hatred because they love interviewing people that say things like this....

"Well, I've lived in Milton Keynes all my life and I'm a Liverpool fan but it's great that a football league club has moved here so it's easier to go and watch some football."

As if there was no football in that area ever before - this sort of quote will always annoy the lower league and Non-League supporter because the game is everywhere!

MKD enjoyed JPT success and promotion in quick succession which always sparks a bit of interest - if MKD don't do much this season, then people will get bored and return to Soccer Saturday.

Well,I guess that's a better analogy than the prostitute one.

Yes. Because calling them names is really hurting them, isn't it?

What, exactly. are you doing about them? I know what AFC Wimbledon have done, they've realised that Franchise aren't going to go away and have recognised them as a new club (Albeit begrudgingly).

But apart from insulting individual people on here, what exactly are you doing to rid the world of this stain?

What part of mk are you going to blow up first?

kinky toms house

I'm in.

Make sure his dad's not in-he's a good bloke!

and doesnt gazzas fat mate live there too? torch his gaf

I'll throw around insults just because I didn't like them, much like I would with any team I didn't like.

Incidentally a guy from our Stoke office said he would like to see them in the CCC. I told him to fuck off.

I've wrote to the Sports Minister at the time, I've been to a few AFC games to show support, and I've recently signed the petition about 2018. Not much I grant you, and probably not going to change the world I admit.

Seems I'd have been better of 'ignoring' them by going for pints with 'fans' of their team, and defending them on message boards.

This issue will I think sadly come up again in the future, with another side. What are you going to do then? Ignore it and hope it goes away.

Haven't the FA changed the rules about clubs relocating now? I signed petitions when Wimbledon first moved away.
Take your blinkers off, no one's defending Franchise, or there fans. Where have I said one postive thing about them?
Rambling on and on about it won't change anything, they've got a club and it's not going to change.

anyone would think they committed murder.fucking hell it's only football for fucks sake.
getting so irate about this is daft when ther'e so much other shit going on that really matters

But really that's what the idea of the forum is for. We ramble on about all kinds of shit and it never changes a thing.

Though I take the point the dong fan was providing some useful info, I don't really want to see them on this forum. Especially if people are going to be over sensitive when a few insults and a bit of banter gets thrown around.

Boo fucking hoo, some people had a pint and an intimate moment him, he must be alright. Well people have pints with me all the time and I'm a complete cunt.

Interesting that somebody (a few pages back) said that if AFC get promoted to the Football League it would bring an end to the whole saga. Surely I'm not alone in thinking this is what is needed to bring the debate back into the wider public arena? If AFC Wimbledon were to go on and PLAY against Franchise the media attention would be huge, the history of what happened would hopefully be more clearly documented in the press and those ignorant about the situation, along with those who've forgotten all about it, might actually take note of how wrong the MK experiment was and is.

I'm not saying anything would be put right, but it might stop people coming out with the "it's time to move on" line.

Can't argue with that.

Who's saying it's time to move on? If people are actively doing something against them, fine. It's all the posturing that pisses me off.

It wasn't aimed at anybody on here. The Everton fan seemed to be saying something along those lines, and various voices in the media have posed the question.

So why you keep replying to this thread then, if all it does is encourage all this 'posturing' you find so annoying.

Apologies.

Slow day mate.

Telling someone to fuck off isn't posturing, it's just letting them know they aren't welcome here. Obviously not everyone is in agreement with that, but that's life.

Fuck off




.... had to be done :)

I expected better of you Davis.

Actually that's a slight exaggeration.

I think my question from page 1 has been well and truly answered. THREAD CLOSED (please).

I think you must have confused me with someone else :)

Big hugs?

This thread should never close.

That "silent disdain" approach, would it work for Poxford?

They are a "fact".

I'm even concerned that a recent lowering in the volume of our right-thinking disdain might be allowing a revival (from a slithery low base) in Poxford fortunes.  Pretty please with sugar on top Kettering knock 'em off their lowly perch.

Always be vigilant and vocal when it comes to evil, ffs!

I'd rather Oxford got promoted.

Laughing from afar isnt the same as playing them.

You've taken it foo far now :)

Not even if we met in the play offs? Could happen this season.

Fuck off Milton Keynes.

Never Forgive, Never Forget.

I alway wondered that.  What if we go there needing a win to guarantee promotion?  I'm not sure any principle I held would hold me back from a vital game if I had the chance to go.

Vichy France did didn't they ?

That's worthy of its own thread Dave

And now we ask whether, like Vichy France, we would visit Stad W*nk in a vital play off semi.

You try to take a firm moral stance on something clear cut, then this Board just does your head in

That's life though isn't it?  Everytime you think you are completely decided in your viewpoint, something comes along and complicates it again.  Makes things interesting.  For the record, I'd love Oxford to be in our division again, and I would have no problems going to the ground of Franchise to support our club.

I want the Pox to be in the same league as us, provided we get to beat them twice a season or at least finish above the cunts.

Plough Lane the home of the Dons.
Thanks Jimmy Allen for helping me up when the wall went over.
Now that was The Don's no Franchise Bollocks.