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Title: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:39:09 anyone know about these?
i'm having one done through my work as i will have to go into an airport as part of my job soon.i need a pass to gain access, so checks are being done. i was a naughty boy years ago and have had a few court appearances for different things and have 5 convictions. i think i had 1 conviction when i got my job and totted up a few more in the firsts couple of years there.i've never told them anything about any of it. aint been in trouble for 14-15 years now and am a reformed character(well sort of anyway) do i need to be worried about what my employers will find out?what info will they be given etc? Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:41:10 i thoguht they get spent after 5 years or so anyway
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:45:16 i thoguht they get spent after 5 years or so anyway I do them all the time with the lads that work for me. They stay active for 10 years Tans Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:48:26 I thought whether a crime is eventually marked as spent or not (and how long it is before it is) depends on the crime. Not sure of the details but I read something on it recently which suggested that.
But even if a crime is spent the Police still keep a record of it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8314032.stm Not sure what information they give out on criminal record checks though. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:56:07 Depends what the offense was really. If you got done for armed robbery then they're not likely to let you into an airport are they.
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:57:17 Depends what the offense was really. If you got done for armed robbery then they're not likely to let you into an airport are they. or being banged up for hijacking Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 14:59:29 aint been in trouble for 14-15 years now They stay active for 10 years Tans Sounds like you'll be OK. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:02:41 wounding is the worst one.others are drunk and disorderly,alarm harrassment + distress,criminal damage.
all of them were drink related and i was young and stupid. has anyone actually seen these checks and what they contain? Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: herthab on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:02:44 Different offences stay on for different periods. I do these for licensing.
The longest period for an offence which resulted in a non custodial sentence is five years. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:06:11 whats alarm harrasment Arriba? sorry tell me to shut up if Im being nosey
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:09:28 has anyone actually seen these checks and what they contain? All depends if your employer asks for standard or enhanced checks arriba Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:11:16 All depends if your employer asks for standard or enhanced checks arriba high security at an airport so i'm fearing the worst. jfw it's more or less for being agressive,rowdy Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: @MacPhlea on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:12:51 Here's how I understand it...
When you apply for a job you are quired by law to disclose criminal convinctions on the following basis Code: People aged 18 or People aged 17 Not sure if the same applies with the CRB check - I think a lot depends on the type of conviction and the type of job Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: DV on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:23:03 has anyone actually seen these checks and what they contain? I've got my CRB knocking around from my coaching days. I'll dig it out and let you know whats on there if thats of any use to you. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:24:30 yes please
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:26:48 Good luck arriba.
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: DV on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:34:20 Right...
Applicant Personal Details Surname: Forename(s): Other Names: Date Of Birth: Place of Birth: Gender: Employment Details Position applied for: Name of Employer: Countersignatory Details Reigstered Person/Body: Countersignatory: Police Records of Convictions, Cautions, Reprimands and Final Warnings. Information from the list held under Section 142 of the Education Act 2002 Protection of Children Act List information Protection of Vulnerable Adults List information Other relevant information disclosed at the Chief Police Officer(s) discretion Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:45:24 gulp.
from that everything will be on there including cautions, unless it's wiped off after a certain amount of time. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:54:00 If you read that BBC article I linked to, at the bottom it says the case was as a result of complaints from people who had crimes from 20 odd years ago showing up when they applied for jobs. Which sounds like bad news for you.
It seems totally wrong to me that crimes from your past can crop up again like this and affect you, especially if you've changed your ways and haven't done anything wrong for a long time. You can understand the Police retaining it in some cases, but retaining everything is just wrong. You can check what information the Police hold on you by making a subject access request. It costs £10 and you need to do it through your local Police station (I think) and will provide you with all the data they hold on you. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:56:16 Quote There are three types of Disclosure: Basic Disclosures: All employers and volunteering organisations are entitled to ask prospective employees/volunteers to obtain a Basic Disclosure. This Disclosure is available to all members of the public. Basic Disclosure will show all convictions held on the Police National Computer (PNC) which are not 'spent' as defined under the terms of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (ROA) 1974. Standard Disclosure: These are primarily for positions that involve working with children or regular contact with vulnerable adults, and excepted professions, offices and employments referred to in the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975. Standard Disclosures contain details of all convictions on record (including 'spent') plus details of any cautions, reprimands or final warnings. For positions involving 'working with children' Standard Disclosures also give information contained on a government department lists (currently held by the DfES and DH) of people considered unsuitable to work with children. Enhanced Disclosures: These are for posts involving greater contact with children or vulnerable adults such as a social worker or doctor. Such work might involve regularly caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of such people. They will also be issued for other positions, such as those seeking judicial appointments and certain statutory licensing purposes .In addition to the checks carried out for a Standard Disclosure, all Enhanced Disclosures involve an extra level of checking with local police force records. This information can be contained on the both copies of the Disclosure. However, it is up to the Chief Constable of the police force to decide what, if any, information is disclosed. The CRB gives as an example; information contained on details of a child protection case conference. Chief Constables can decide that some information is relevant to the position but do not wish the prospective employee to see this information. The CRB also gives as an example; details of suspected criminal activity where an arrest has not taken place but is anticipated. In such instances, it will be indicated on the top of the Disclosure that further information is being sent by the police, which will be sent separately to the employer / volunteering organisation. Unless they've asked you to declare everything, including spent convictions, you'll only get the basic check. Dan was obviously working with kids, so he had a standard check. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: DV on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 15:58:51 Enhanced check*
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:01:49 Not sure if this is accurate but have a read of: http://www.inbrief.co.uk/crb-checks.htm
It says: Quote Anyone who needs a permanent pass to the restricted zone of an airport will be required to produce a basic disclosure certificate. *Edit* The Department of Transport website says the same thing. Have they actually applied for the crb check themselves? If not, it looks like you can apply for the basic check yourself and then just hand it over. Any chance that might solve the issue? http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/security/crc/criminalrecordchecksfaq?page=1 Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:08:13 from your link jonny there are only 2 types of disclosures.standard and enhanced.no mention of basic.
edit.it's being applied for by my employer-or the airport(not sure) si where did you get your info on the 3 types from? Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:12:23 from your link jonny there are only 2 types of disclosures.standard and enhanced.no mention of basic. edit.it's being applied for by my employer-or the airport(not sure) The first article does mention basic disclosure but only in passing. But have a good read on the second link I just added to the Department for Transport website. That goes in to detail about what checks are made specifically for access to restricted areas at transport facilities. I had a quick read and it seems to be good news for you - no reason there for you not to get the pass as only a basic check is required and spent convictions are of no matter. *Edit* In fact, the DFT website suggests it would actually be illegal for your employer to refuse you a restricted zone pass. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:14:52 yeah just read it jonny.
thanks Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:19:46 seems scottish for some reason.i hope the same rules apply here
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:31:09 It appears that the DFT website is for the entire UK so the rules listed will apply across the entire UK. For some reason though, whilst it says that only basic disclosure is required for restricted zone access that disclosure is only available in Northern Ireland and Scotland - the CRB don't issue them at present. Not sure what that means.
Did your employer tell you what it has applied for? Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:32:18 nope.
anything other than basic and i'm fooked Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:55:24 I've done dozens and dozens of these for staff, and there are standard and enhanced versions, Everything shows up, from what i've seen above cautions and minor offences, and they go back to year dot, i had one guy with a 20 year offensive weapon conviction on his. But it wasn't relevant to now or his work so we as a company ignored it as irrelavant. His driving ban was relevant though and he got fired for that, as he was an essential car user. So what i'm trying to say is that most companies will ignore older stuff and only things that impact on your job should be commented/acted on.
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 16:56:04 Have you completed a form to say they can do a check?
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Hammer on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 17:04:30 I have been subject to CRB checks for several years and I'm familiar with people in a similar situation, albeit in a different form of employment. Most employers insist on an 'enhanced check', really just to cover themselves. In some cases, offences have been known not to appear due to where the conviction was logged. Whether a conviction is spent or not is irrelevant (bit of a bastard) since your employers will assess the disclosure in any way they want without having to explain their reasons. Any offence you've been convicted of, even if not seemingly relevant to your particular job, may count as a negative against you. One stumbling block may be that you didn't previously disclose all of your convictions. Sorry to sound a bit negative, but I wish you all the best. Your case really is in the lap of the gods. The CRB will send both you and your employer a copy of their disclosure, at the same time so don't start bricking it until then.
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 18:19:22 Have you completed a form to say they can do a check? You sign the CRB request form. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: warksred on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 18:33:29 You sign the CRB request form. and provide 3 or 5 proof of identity documents for verification. Your employers are unable to proceed with the CRB check until you have completed these 2 stages.Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: leefer on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 18:40:45 On the plus side arriba if you get the boot i need a drivers mate...no checks.
The only equirements is that you listen to me talk about golf....you buy the breakfasts and any unloading by hand(excuse the expresion!).is done by you...if you fancy it give me a shout. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 18:49:32 cheers 4 the offer leefer.i will take you up on it if it goes tits up at work.
if i get refused the airport pass there are plenty of other drives i can do so i'm hoping it wont be a problem.i just hope my employer sees that my stupid days are a long way behind me now. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 18:56:47 You sign the CRB request form. Same thing really. Have you had the form yet arriba? Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: leefer on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 19:09:06 cheers 4 the offer leefer.i will take you up on it if it goes tits up at work. if i get refused the airport pass there are plenty of other drives i can do so i'm hoping it wont be a problem.i just hope my employer sees that my stupid days are a long way behind me now. All the best arriba....just dont tell him you support the Town....cos he will defo think your a fruitcake then. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 20:28:25 On the plus side arriba if you get the boot i need a drivers mate...no checks. The only equirements is that you listen to me talk about golf....you buy the breakfasts and any unloading by hand(excuse the expresion!).is done by you...if you fancy it give me a shout. Don't go to the pub with him though Leefer, he'll probably stab you in the eye with a knitting needle! Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Freddies Ferret on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 20:38:26 i have had fucking loads of these done due to my job (Enhanced CRB) and im pretty sure everything comes up on mine! Like most have said the info is there but its down to your employers to decide whether is relevant! If it is an issue they are more than likely want to have an interview with you where you can just explain! Im sure it will be fine mate! Fuck it Si Pie got a bloody pay rise when he was worried about work stuff
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 21:43:13 It is a very sad comment on the state of our country when things like CRB checks are considered to be 'normal practice'.
What a fantastic job the politicians have done with our society in the last 30 years. Crime used to be considered something that a bloke in a mask and a stripey top did in the dark. Now it is endemic and we have to have systems to show up the smallest breach. Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 22:18:20 Actually, thinking about this further, I feel for Arriba and everybody else who suffers under the database nanny authoritarian state.
It used to be that if you committed a crime (as in common law - to cause injury to a person or damage to property, rather than all of the made up 'illegal' crap we have now), you either served your time, paid the price or made amends in some way and then society considered that you had paid your dues and it was forgotten. Now any past crimes are treated like an albatross around your neck. Almost to be worn like a badge on your coat like the Star of David by the Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany. Oh no, you will never be absolved because you have sinned. It makes me sick. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 22:23:31 Same thing really. Have you had the form yet arriba? not yet.i've had the form for the airport pass.cannot remember if it was included in that,but was deffo mention of it on there. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 22:27:56 not yet.i've had the form for the airport pass.cannot remember if it was included in that,but was deffo mention of it on there. Yeah just wondered if it may have said on there what they would look for. Take it you didn't have to disclose anything for internal purposes? Good luck anyway, hopefully your employer knows you well enough to know it's in the past, whatever the outcome of any checks. I know my situation was slightly different in the thread I posted a few weeks back, in that I hadn't told the office I work for, but they didn't batter an eyelid when I fessed up to my conviction. Hopefully you get the same respect and treatment as it by no means hinders your ability to do the job. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 22:39:58 cheers si.
they should now me well enough after 16 years. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:53:04 Why not mention this stuff to your boss before he does the checks so it isn't so much of a shock?
Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:56:58 Why not mention this stuff to your boss before he does the checks so it isn't so much of a shock? because if there is still chance that it doesn't come to light all the better. i'll take that chance Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:59:08 Why not mention this stuff to your boss before he does the checks so it isn't so much of a shock? You should wear a balaclava and a stripey shirt while having the chat, just to lighten the mood.Seriously, john's right, you'll get points for fessing up, and it's not like the offences themselves would rule you out whereas hiding them will count against you. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Arriba on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 11:21:26 as i haven't signed any forms or included info etc, i'm hoping it will be the basic check which is available to anyone.
if so that will come back clear, as my convictions are spent. Title: Re: crb checks. i'm bricking it. Post by: Sippo on Thursday, October 22, 2009, 13:58:21 Like everyone else has said, it all depends on the type of job going for and the convictions. For example, if you went for a security job, and you raided a bank in the past, no matter how long ago it was, it will cause issues.
If your convictions aren't in anyway related to the job then keep stum and you should be fine. I have to have a CRB check on a regular basis. I always give mine to the employer. |