Thetownend.com

The close season is upon us. There are some players that will obviously be released or in Cox's case sold and others that I think we could/should release but maybe DW will give them a chance.

No.	Position	Player	Contract Status
1	GK	Phil Smith	Expiring
2	DLR	Jack Smith	Expiring
3	DLC	Jamie Vincent	Expiring
4	DL/MLC	Michael Timlin	1 year
5	DC	Jerel Ifil	1 year
6	DC	Hasney Aljofree	Expiring
8	MC	Craig Easton	Expiring
9	ST	Barry Corr	Expiring
10	MRC	Jon-Paul McGovern	1 year
11	MLR	Anthony McNamee	1 year
12	GK	Peter Brezovan	Expiring
13	GK	Mark Scott	1 year
14	DRC/DMC	Pat Kanyuka	Expiring
15	DRL/MR	Kevin Amankwaah	1 year
16	DL/ML	Kasali Yinka Casal	1 year
17	MC	Lilian Nalis	Retiring
18	MRL	Mark Marshall	1 year
19	DR/MC	Michael Pook	Expiring
20	ST	Billy Paynter	1 year
21	ST	Blair Sturrock	Expiring
22	ST	Hamdi Razak	Expiring
23	ST	Ben Joyce	Expiring
24	MC	Chris Allen	Expiring
25	DC	Sean Morrison	1 year
27	DC	Tom Evans	?
29	MC	Sam Morris	1 year
26	DLC	Jean-François Lescinel	Expiring
30	DL/ML	Callum Kennedy	1 year
31	ST	Simon Cox	1 year
32	MC/ST	Lee Peacock	1 year
35	MLR	Lloyd Macklin	1 year

Is Blair not out of contract?

And Peacock?

I sure hope so.

For some reason, i think Lescinel could be a half decent player from what i've seen. I have no idea why i think this, it's just an instinct.

i hope alojfree stays, i think him and greer could be immense together.

Signed a new deal didn't he? There was all that bullshit about him being back as a striker next season.

i thought that but i would rather see Sean Morrison improve more and become better than Aljofree whilst he is still here.

read an interview with morrison and he said that he has learnt loads from greer alojfree and vincent, funnily enough there was no mention of ifil.

See I think Brez should get another year. We not what he's capable of. I'd hate it if it come back to haunt us if we let him go.

Regardless of what morrison has learnt from him, I never want to see al-joke-bloke in a Town shirt again...greer and morrison would be a great pairing and reckon DW will let the shackles off morrison next season....greer will pick up all the awards next year if he signs......he is the most accomplished centre half we've had since CC

i would love to see a spectre of brez, we could get yvette fielding in.

I thought Easton deal was up too?

Aslong as she doesn't bring that fuckin wierd bloke

Agree. Had a very poor spell this season but by and large he's been alright for us.

Surely Blairs contract is up?

I'm sure it is, there was a fuss when daddy Sturrock gave him 2 years, and I dont recall anyone being daft enough to offer him another.

Haven't Casal and Marshall got another year then ?

I'm sure Casal has, not sure about marshall

My list merely shows who I think will be released/sold and who I'd like to see released/sold, it doesn't take into account any current contract situations.

Apparently Ifil said he's learnt a lot from Morrisson.

But if they're under contract we'd have to try and offload, and I can't see that being easy in some cases.

I can see both keepers maybe jsmith, ifil ,easton kanyuke jpm going. Imagine that lot could free up some fairly decent wages not to mention the likes of pook and sturrock etc

So you want us to keep Blair :s

Time to go for this lot for me:
Phil Smith
Jack Smith
Jerel Ifil
Barry Corr
Jon-Paul McGovern 
Peter Brezovan
Pat Kanyuka
Kasali Yinka Casal
Lilian Nalis
Mark Marshall
Michael Pook
Blair Sturrock 
Lee Peacock

Some have served as well, but at the end of the day are not good enough or committed enough to take us any further.

Out of contract in Bold (from what I remember)

No.  Position Player
1  GK Phil Smith
2  DF Jack Smith
3  DF Jamie Vincent (vice-captain)
4  MF Michael Timlin
5  DF Jerel Ifil
6  DF Hasney Aljofree (team captain)
8  MF Craig Easton
9  FW Barry Corr
10  MF Jon-Paul McGovern
11  MF Anthony McNamee
12  GK Peter Brezovan
13  GK Mark Scott (signed new deal)
14  DF Pat Kanyuka
15  DF Kevin Amankwaah
16  DF Kasali Yinka Casal
17  MF Lilian Nalis
18  MF Mark Marshall
19  MF Michael Pook
20  FW Billy Paynter
21  FW Blair Sturrock  
22  FW Hamdi Razak
23  FW Ben Joyce
24  MF Chris Allen
25  DF Sean Morrison
27  DF Tom Evans 
29  MF Sam Morris
26  DF Jean-François Lescinel
30  DF Callum Kennedy
31  FW Simon Cox
32  FW Lee Peacock
35  MF Lloyd Macklin

Ifil's got another year left

I dont think aljofree has another year, seem to remember him siging for 2 years

I've used P2P's list and updated my original post to show those who are out of contract.

I thought Ifil was out of contract and Hasney had another year so I would concur with P2P's list.

I concur.  Except joyce is out of contract

Can someone clever go through the list and add more accurate info of their main position and any positions they can or have played in as cover? It would be useful as we could see where there is cover and we can lose some players, including the youth team players that have signed pro contracts.

Central defence for example, we've got Ifil/Greer/Morrision/Aljofree but I'm sure there is at least one other player that has played there as cover. If there is one or two players that could cover we could lose one of the four, otherwise we'd be leaving ourselves a bit short.

The below players who are out of contract can probably go as far as I'm concerned.

No.  Position Player
1  GK Phil Smith
2  DF Jack Smith
3  DF Jamie Vincent (vice-captain)
8  MF Craig Easton
9  FW Barry Corr
12  GK Peter Brezovan
17  MF Lilian Nalis
19  MF Michael Pook
21  FW Blair Sturrock  
24  MF Chris Allen
26  DF Jean-François Lescinel

edit: oh and aljofree can definitely go

Like this? Just used the standard CM/FM positions

No.  Position Player
1  GK Phil Smith
2  DR/L Jack Smith
3  DLC Jamie Vincent (vice-captain)
4  DL/MLC Michael Timlin
5  DC Jerel Ifil
6  DLC Hasney Aljofree (team captain)
8  MRC Craig Easton
9  FW Barry Corr
10  MRC Jon-Paul McGovern
11  MLR Anthony McNamee
12  GK Peter Brezovan
13  GK Mark Scott (signed new deal)
14  DC/DMC Pat Kanyuka
15  DR/MR Kevin Amankwaah
16  DL/ML Kasali Yinka Casal
17  MC Lilian Nalis
18  MR Mark Marshall
19  DR/MC Michael Pook
20  FW Billy Paynter
21  FW Blair Sturrock 
22  FW Hamdi Razak
23  FW Ben Joyce
24  MC Chris Allen
25  DC Sean Morrison
27  DF Tom Evans 
29  MF Sam Morris
26  DLC Jean-François Lescinel
30  DL/ML Callum Kennedy
31  FW Simon Cox
32  FW Lee Peacock
35  MR Lloyd Macklin

Updated list again.

I agree pretty much with all your choices Sam except I would get rid of JPM and keep Marshall...cheaper wages and Marshall does have a hunger to play 1st team football......that is if DW gives him a second chance, which I probably can't see.

As for Brez and Aljofree, both high earners and low achievers, both have to go.

I'd keep Marshall as well, he's been getting better all season and could come good next year.

I'd also keep Lescinel, he's played well and will give us some cover on the cheap.

Oh and your list misses Jake Hyde out, who was on 1st year pro contract if I remember rightly.

And he is off to pastures new closer to his home in Maidenhead anyway.

Nalis is retiring.

You need to add Kurt Hammonds and Nathan Thompson as well now they've signed pro contracts.

Maybe some different colours for players that are definitely going and those that are definitely staying as well.

Can I request all this information in pie chart format as well please?

Thanks in advance

Or a Si Pie chart perhaps ?

I'll have a faff about and sort it out later this evening.

Updated.

If someone could help fill the "?" I'd be much obliged.

Scott's just signed a one year deal, as have Morrison, Macklin, Morris and Kennedy I think.

Please,  please get rid of that pile of shit that hangs masquerades as Aljofree. Ok until this season where he was consistently a complete and utter cunt. If we can get the old Aljofree back then fair enough - if we get the one we had this season, then adios. Also whereas JPM has talent, he seems to pick and chose who he plays for. We shouldn't forget the first few months of this season where both should have been strung up by their knackers.

Luckily he is 'expiring'. I assume that means his recording contract is at an end.

And a silent 'k' Nev!

Well... No official announcements but from what I can gather from the end of season dinner last night after talking to players etc, Hamdi Razak is gone (but has offers from Yeovil & Gillingham), Michael Pook is gone (Obvious), Blair Sturrock is gone(Obvious), Peter Brezovan is gone (Wants to play football and won't get it here).

No shocks there... Your sleuthing has disappointed me Gazza  ;)

Nah none of the juicy stuff but just bits and pieces people may or may not wanted confirmed?

I did hear comments that would suggest that Phil Smith and Leischenel Jean-Francois would be staying.

not hamdi!

That's fB in tears then. Oh - if you're looking for a new love then I have just the ticket, Ben...

I don't know why, but the idea of him getting another go in England makes me want to keep him here!!!

Did Cox reveal what his pre-season goals target was?

That is one thing that I am interested in learning.

Does that not require money of some sort?

Whatever it was, I think I am right in saying that DW added 5 on to it when he took over.

I guess it was 20 and DW said 25.

Indeed.

I guess its a shame we didnt have more 'nothing' games at the end of the season that he could have played in.

In the end I saw Razak come on a few times, but I don't think I ever saw him touch the ball :(

Players who,in my extremely humble opinion, have to stay.  Cox not included - I won't allow myself to hope that much.

Brezovan
J Smith
Greer
Ifil
Vincent
Timlin
Paynter
Amankwaah
McNamee
Easton
Morrison

Apart from those I wouldn't be upset if any/all the others left the club.

wrong keeper

I don't think it's the end of the world if Brezovan goes.

That list is spot on apart that Smith should be the keeper (well number 2 after a new keeper comes in), Brezovan is gone.

I'd keep JPM too. He's done reasonably well whenever he's played in 2009.

Oh, and hey, Gaz, did they say anything about football kits or anything like that?

Brez, J Smith, JPM, Ifil, Easton and Vincent can all be let go of for me and easily replaced with better players.

I would debate that if Easton could find his form again. He was more than adequate last season. I imagine he'd find a two year deal elsewhere (I would guess he'd get 1 year here).

Aljofree and Greer would make a good centre back partnership as well :)

getting rid of Jamie Vincent is a big no no in my opinion

I'd also from that list keep Smith, JPM and maybe Easton

I'd like us to keep Easton otherwise we'll have to find 2 or possibly 3 centre mids in the summer.

I think Vincent has held the back 4 together well when he came back from injury but as the season went on he seemed to lose his way a bit and started looking increasingly out of his depth a little.

His age is very much against him as well he will be 34 in the summer.

I wouldnt fancy playing full back with one of HRK and McNamee playing infront of me. fuck all cover

I would only keep Greer, Paynter and Morrison out of those apart from Coxy.

Or Vincent if Greer doesn't want to sign.

I think we have to aim a lot higher next season, most of them are all average mid table L1 players. We want more.

Not that I heard but the mic was not too loud to be honest.....

Thats very true which is why we need to get in a strong defensive left back to replace him IMO, maybe keep him as cover but I think hes past his best now.

Always nice to see sensible debate on here.  Personally I think Jack Smith is very underrated - always dependable and tidy on the ball - a definite keeper for me.  

I think most league one players are pretty similar - at this level it really is about creating a team and a system that works.

same as talk talk but i'd deffo keep vincent.
i rate jpm but wouldn't be bothered if he went.the rest can all go

I prefer him at right back.

I don't think we should be looking at a full clear out at all either. Of course we want a fair few of the out of contract players to go but some should stay. It's also worth remembering that the two main positions we are going to need to fill are CM and CF. We need at least 1 of each and probably 2 of each tbh.

Please explain that argument. I'm not being funny, but what would be wrong with DW starting pre-season with a (nearly) clean sheet? Does continuity mean anything at all after a completely crap season (Coxy's goals, the mid season blossoming of Morrison, the late blossoming of Phil Smith, the constant Billy Paynter, DW's rather super loan signings excepted)?

Surely just keeping the best of a mediocre bunch is a secondary ambition?

Remember when we had a major clearout in 2000? We fucked it right up. The squad took ages to gel and we struggled much like this season when we were all hopeful of a promotion push back to the championship. Sometimes it doesn't always work. Teams take time to build and you can't just ship out 11 and bring in 11 hoping they'll be world beaters overnight. I'll also look to 03/04 as a good example. We brought in about 7 or 8 but kept the decent ones on and had a very good team.

the trouble with that is.we dont have many decent ones.
the loanees have only made that more obvious

Natch. That's where I was headed.

We have a squad of what, 32 or 35 including the loanees. If DW can get three stonkingly good loans in and make such a huge difference (as in us staying up) then why shouldn't he be able to do that with a nearly complete clear out and a squad of 22-ish? I don't think HRK, Greer or OTJ took very long to gel did they?

Now we've had an up turn in form as a team im more inclined to keep some of our players. Alot of the ones that have been here a while, we know are capable of better because they showed it under a proper manager in Paul Sturrock. Now we have Wilson rather than Malpas I think he could easily get a mid table finish and better out of our current squad.

I think the likes of JPM and Aljofree will be here next season, purely because they have another year on their contract and I cant see anyone coming in and paying money for them!

Phil Smith has definitely proved himself since he came back into the team. He has shown that the dodgy Phil Smith wasnt the real Phil Smith. If any player would have drastically changed Wilsons mind over the last 10 games its him. New deal

Jack Smith is a decent player at this level, steady - well worth having around the squad as cover for the full back positions. With him in the squad is also free ups Amankwaah to play on the wing if need be. Keep

Vincent is a good defender and you only have to look back to the first few months off the season without him to show how important he is to our defence. Sure he doesnt get forward, he doesnt over lap and his distribution isnt great but fuck it, he can defend well worth keeping

Jerel Ifil is a tricky one. I wouldnt have him as first choice. I think we've all hoped as he got older and played more games he'd in footballing terms 'grow up' and 'mature' as a player but he hasnt. He never will. Ifil will always be Ifil and that wont change. Moments of truely awesome defending mirrored 5 minutes later by truely awful defending. Worth keeping as a 3rd or 4th choice.

Easton has been a huge let down this season compared to last season. He seemed to be finding his feet a bit towards the end but putting Kanyuka in the middle instead of Easton against Rovers (for all of 10 minutes in which Kanyuka didnt even touch the ball) showed Wilsons hand. Likely to go and come back to bite us in the arse. Undecided on Easton personally.

Barry Corr - keep him around for pre-season give him games and see how he does. No one else will go near him so we can keep him around without committing to him. If he does alright give him a short term deal. If not we lose nothing.

Brezovan isnt worth keeping in my opinion, as time has gone on he's shown that awesome first 6 games of the L2 season Brez was a flash in the pan, a bizare run of form which was truely a one off. He is not the best keeper at the club and wont ever be. I dont think he will be offered anything and if it was up to me he wouldnt be anyway.

Patrick Kanyuka has been a dissapointed and in most cases a waste of time. I can count on one hand the times he's actually looked like a footballer to me. I'd get rid but Wilson seems to like him so I dont know.

Mark Marshall has looked decent on occasions. Much more direct than any of our other wingers. Perfect if you need a goal and just want someone to run at defenders. Must be on cheap wages so again if it was my decision id give him other year.

Michael Pook - utter rubbish. Must be the worst Swindon Town player to make over 100 appearances (97 starts 30 sub) I dont think anyone would offer him a new deal here.

Blair Sturrock - gone

Chris Allen - gone, good player but will never be strong enough for professional footballer. As stupid as it sounds he look better in Arsenals team than ours!

Lescinal Jean-Francois has looked ok in the first team and good for the reserves probably worth a short term deal and a proper look at in pre season

I've tried to touch on players who I think are out of contract and/or are on the fringes of the team.

The likes of Amankwaah, Morrison & Paynter are definitely keepers & Cox in dreamland

Aljofree, JPM, Timlin, McNamee, Casal, Kennedy & Peacock still have another year left I think. Casal would be no loss, doesnt even get a game for the reserves. Peacock might come back from his injury or it might be one injury and one year too much for him. Squad fodder.

I'd like to see Aljofree given a chance under Wilson, if we see the same player we did under Malpas then try to get rid.

Timlin, McNamee and JPM all good enough to play a part.

Kennedy decent back up

That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.

That's a good point, DV. He was sorely missed but I think that is more a case of having an experienced man at the back. I think Greer is a better prospect in that respect but JV would be a good choice to keep as back up.

Sad to say but i dont think vicents up to it anymore. He should take williams place instead

We've tried Casal, Aljofree, J.Smith, Kennedy, Amankwaah, Timlin & Lecsincal at left back and Vincent is still first choice.

A back 4 of Amankwaah, Morrison, Greer and Vincent would be fine for this league.

if wecan combine jack smiths footballing ability with ifils interception ability into a super dooper crossbreed,i'd keep the offspring of them.if not then get shot of both of em.one cannot defend and the other cannot play.neither will take us forward.

I don't want to be in this League, the one above is more attractive...

Seriously though, was it last season or the one before when our defence was the best on the planet? I can't remember as apparently I just live for the moment  :beers: Wasn't that Jack Smith, Ifil, Williams and Vincent?

Yes, but that was also L2.

The key factor in that defense was Williams though. He was a quality player for us and had been playing in the Championship prior to that.

Its a shame injuries put an end to his career because he's probably the best defender we've had for a good number of years and if im being honest he was a better defender than Greer is.

Not that it matters now because Adi has retired.

He also got the best out Ifil and no one else has quite managed it as well as Adi did

That last line is one of the most perceptive I've read on here for a long time - very, very true.

Well it may well be a breach of contract for Vincent after todays revelations then.....arrested for suspicion of GBH

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/4343018.BREAKING_NEWS__Town_defender_Vincent_arrested/

Thats mental jj i think i saw that in the Vincent thread

can someone paste that as i cant see the link

BREAKING NEWS: Town defender Vincent arrested
12:52pm Tuesday 5th May 2009



TOWN defender Jamie Vincent has been arrested on suspicion of GBH, following an incident in the early hours of Monday morning (May 4).

The 33-year-old, who is due to find out in the next 48 hours if he will be offered a new contract at the County Ground, was arrested after a disturbance in Commercial Road.

Vincent has been released on police bail, and Swindon Town media manager Chris Tanner said: "We can confirm that Jamie Vincent was arrested, and the club will be making no further comment at the moment."

:) I posted mine 30 seconds before the Vincent thread was posted!

Updated....

No.	Position	Player	Contract Status
1	GK	Phil Smith	Offered contract
4	DL/MLC	Michael Timlin	Under contract
5	DC	Jerel Ifil	Under contract
6	DC	Hasney Aljofree	Under contract
8	MC	Craig Easton	Offered contract
10	MRC	Jon-Paul McGovern	Under contract
11	MLR	Anthony McNamee	Under contract
13	GK	Mark Scott	Under contract
14	DRC/DMC	Pat Kanyuka	Offered contract
15	DRL/MR	Kevin Amankwaah	Under contract
16	DL/ML	Kasali Yinka Casal	Under contract
18	MRL	Mark Marshall	Under contract
20	ST	Billy Paynter	Under contract
25	DC	Sean Morrison	Under contract
26	DLC	Jean-François Lescinel	Offered contract
30	DL/ML	Callum Kennedy	Under contract
31	ST	Simon Cox	Under contract
32	MC/ST	Lee Peacock	Under contract
35	MLR	Lloyd Macklin	Under contract
99	###	K Hammonds	Under contract
99	###	N Thompson	Under contract

IMHO likely 1st team contenders are:

No.   Position   Player   Contract Status
1   GK   Phil Smith   Offered contract
4   DL/MLC   Michael Timlin   Under contract
5   DC   Jerel Ifil   Under contract
6   DC   Hasney Aljofree   Under contract
8   MC   Craig Easton   Offered contract
10   MRC   Jon-Paul McGovern   Under contract
11   MLR   Anthony McNamee   Under contract
14   DRC/DMC   Pat Kanyuka   Offered contract
15   DRL/MR   Kevin Amankwaah   Under contract
20   ST   Billy Paynter   Under contract
25   DC   Sean Morrison   Under contract
26   DLC   Jean-François Lescinel   Offered contract
32   MC/ST   Lee Peacock   Under contract

The probably won't just yet are   (with  the like of Kennedy and Macklin maybe breaking through) :
30   DL/ML   Callum Kennedy   Under contract
16   DL/ML   Kasali Yinka Casal   Under contract
18   MRL   Mark Marshall   Under contract
13   GK   Mark Scott   Under contract
35   MLR   Lloyd Macklin   Under contract
99   ###   K Hammonds   Under contract
99   ###   N Thompson   Under contract

So a lot of work to do to get the strength and depth required to move up the league

Finally got something right although it was pretty obvious anyway...