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someone told me tonight they are talking about going into admin on may 1st, does this mean they lose 10 points?

they also told me Sale RFC are paying for the policing at stockports game on friday?

Sale are indeed paying for the policing.

I believe, if they go into Admin now, the League can either inflict the penalty this year or next according to their own discretion.

if thats the case they will get -10 points and be on 47.

Yeah, if they did it now I'd imagine the FL would make them take the points this season to inflict the most damage i.e. relegation.

If the team are going down anyway, the deduction is next season.
If the deduction will result in them being relegated, the deduction is this season.
If the deduction won't result in them being relegated, the deduction is next season.

So they basically screw them as much as possible.

And Stockport would probably rather take it this year than start on -10 next season. I reckon they'll hold out though for another 2 weeks.

Come on stockport, go into admin now.

 :soapy tit wank:

We're going to be saved by the 2 greatest words in the English language

DE-FAULT, DE-FAULT, DE-FAULT

(c) Homer Simpson

If they are that bad, they should have gone into admin before the deadline, taken it on the chin for this season.

Looks like they've gone into admin...

http://www.leonardcurtis.co.uk/news/stockport_county_association_football_club_limited_in_administration

so that's them and Southampton on -10 next season isn't it.

Sad news for them.

good news for us

N'ah - Alas, I don't think that way.

I do.

I'm thinking we could manage a top half finish by default next season if enough other teams go into admin.

Each to their own but I don't.

but i do

lets get signing their decent players then asap!

They'd go to Northern clubs if anything I'd imagine.

Using swindon-town-fc.co.uk for the following useless fact - we've never signed a player from Stockport County.

now would be a good time to start.

its not good for the fans .. but this is the exact reason why Fitton is running the club the way he is .. it is right and proper we should profit in this way

It's right and proper that we should benefit from other clubs problems?

Is this why we follow football?

To be honest Rich I think you are being a bit idealistic here.

I dont want other clubs to have serious financial problems, but they have and there is nothing we can do about it.

Its a competitive sport (industry?) so we might as well take advantage of it.

Others would take advantage of us if we were still in that position and some did, signing players for less than their market value beacaue they knew we needed the cash to stay afloat for another couple of months.

I am inclined to agree with you CT.

None of us wish to see any teams go bust but they will and its not our fault, so maybe we can prosper a little fromt heir demise and pinch a player or 2 for nowt or next to nowt, even though I think the majority will stay oop North as suggested earlier in the thread.

Stockport did have a fairly decent defence and keeper IIRC.....got for it DW!

Not idealistic at all. I agree with what you're saying, hence why I didn't argue with your statements earlier today. It's dog-eat-dog et al - we've all disagreed with the downfall of Luton but did nothing else because what can you do?

However, Fatbury stated that it's "right and proper" for a club like Swindon (who would have been well and truly fecked had point deductions been introduced sooner) to "profit" from teams such as Stockport - that I don't agree with.

I think it is right and proper that we benefit from running the club as a tight ship, and clubs who do not, suffer in some way - the points deduction being the best way I can see although something should be done about owners of clubs (however they don't seem to be a club that was in political turmoil).

All the points deduction is doing is trying to enforce a level playing field to encourage clubs to start running themselves in line with good fiscal sense.

This could have been us, that's fair to say, and we'd be rightfully dealt with I think if it had been us.  We got lucky, but if we continue to have enough fans applying the "speculate to accumulate" pressure, then we could face this again in the future.  Clubs may slowly realise that you don't pay stupid wages just because a player asks for it.  People have said wages are so high due to supply and demand, they earn it by getting the gate receipts in and TV deals.  But the truth is that wages far outstrip where they should be in total vs clubs turnovers - time for a correction I think and the clubs going into admin seem to be a sign this may start to happen.

You could look at it that Stockport cheated by spending more money than they had, thus maintaining a false position in league 1 . So karma and all that.

But our track record in that department ain't great either so it's a bit hypocritical I suppose.

And it's not great for their fans, who have done nothing wrong.

Stockport are owned by their Supporters Trust, so it'll be interesting what has caused this administration.

At least with other clubs suffering financially (harsh as it may sound) it really helps make us stand out as a solid proposition for players looking for a bit of security...

Most have gone already, Pilkington, mcnulty, Dickinson, Dicker etc, thats why they have plummeted.

their points deduction applies this season. :eek:

they can't go down this year cos of their goal difference, so they'll start next season with no disadvantage?

Doesn't the football league work on the basis of "the most severe penalty" for clubs in this situation? If they can't get relegated (even with point deduction) then the next severe penalty is to hold back on the deduction until next season. As has happened with southampton - but they could be relegated without points, so similarly the next best punishment is deduction next campaign. I'l find it very bemusing if the points deduction takes place this season - what would be the point.

indeed, but that's what they're saying on SSN.

fucking farce. One rule for some clubs...

I imagine S'oton will have something to say about that...

"Stockport County have entered administration after failing to keep their creditors at bay. The club will be docked 10 points by the FA - a penalty that will be applied at the end of this season if it will relegate them or, more likely, at the beginning of next season if they remain in League One."

From The Guardian

I'm only going by the scroll bar on SSN now...

if this is the case it's an absolute disgrace. I don't wish ill on any club, but to be docked 10 points this season creates a mockery of the FA's own rules. How is this punishment? They'll start next season on the same points as the rest of us and will avoid releagtion, with their debt managed.

Absolute farce.

If that's true then it is.

lets rob Owain Fon-Williams and there left back off them quickly and on the cheap!

Isn't their LB Tommy Rowe? Or is he LM? Good player.

thats who i was thinking off.

But it's not, they are just toeing the official line as mathematically they aren't down.

For some clarification i've had a look at the FL Website for a statement about Stockport County.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/News/LeagueOneNewsDetail/0,,10794~1644278,00.html


There is a contact address at the FL and i'd suggest that we email them to make our feelings known
about the double standards.I expect we'll get a standard reply,stressing that it's at the FL's "discretion".

Contact address..

[email protected]

 I wondered why Stockport raised theri game on Friday to do us a favour and beat Crewe, having been shite for a while. They really would have been in it, with 47 now.

Stockport receiving the 10pt deduction this season just cant be right, if they are not relegated then it must apply next season.

I'm hopeful this now means they play for a point or more on Saturday just to make sure and then send Brighton down.

It does!

where has anyone said that Sutton Red? From where I'm sat, they're being deducted 10 points now and that's it.

As far as I see it Southampton were deducted 10 points for next season because they were going to go down anyway. Stockport won't go down (unless a miracle happens) so therefore they should also have there points taken off them next season.

but that's not what has been stated. they've had 10 points taken off them this season, and they can't go down. Will they then get 10 taken off them again next year, not from what I've seen and read so far. But please enlighten me and I'm wrong (and before my next blog gets published, so I don't look a twat!)

This has got my knickers in a right twist!

Is this the first recorded instance of a small club getting off lightly?

Let it go. Stockport are run by their own fans.

Juddie,

I think you have to go by what is stated so far on the FL site, in one of my previous posts.
Probably best to quote them in your blog,as the rest seems to be conjecture at the moment.

Oh and am I right in saying that Southampton cannot get a further 15 point deduction as they do not need to enter a CVA but their holding company does?

The point deduction rules for administration after the deadline are very clear;
- if the team is relegated anyway, points deduction next season
- if the team will be relegated by points deduction, points deduction this season
- otherwise, points deduction next season

So unless Stockport end up in the bottom 4 (possible, but unlikely) they will get the deduction next season. If anyone is saying anything different they are talking shit.

We've been in administration twice with no punishment at all...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stockport/8027353.stm

BBC says it's done.

that's different Tails, it was before the new legislation came in.

and jonny72, I know the rules you've mentioned there, but that ain't what's happend in this case, as being reported by The Football League themselves:

“Following the announcement that Stockport County Football Club has gone into administration, The Football League can confirm that a ten-point Sporting Sanction applies with immediate effect in accordance with the Regulations agreed by Football League Clubs.”

And Spencer, just because they're run by their own fans doesn't means they can live beyond their means.

There again, maybe I'm talking shit - the Football League website says the deduction is immediate.

If they do get it this season, it will hit the fan big style over the summer. The change in deduction rules was made precisely for this situation, a club waiting to see if they were safe or not before going in to administration.

[Edit : posted at same time]

if they are getting the points this season then is it just bloody good timing?

50 points now means they arent safe but the likelyhood of Carlisle winning and over turning a goal difference of 18.

I've just read thia on the SSN scroll bar. I think the football league have deducted points now because mathematically stockport can still be relegated. However crazy it is. We will have to wait and see what happens in the close season. Theres probably a few FL employed folk that have caught the problem too, hopefully they will reasess the problem and have the points transferred to next year.

At the moment the football league has done its job and enforced its rules. If stockport get a point saturday, i have full faith in FL transferring the points. People need to take time out and stop argueing though, it has nothing to do with us thankfully.....not until we are in a relegation battle with stockport next year.

just the principle (he says moodily).

You're probaby right, they'll probably think again in the summer.

Let's hope Stockport put that extra bit of effort in on Saturday just to make sure  :D

The Football league are saying different  ::)
http://www.stockportcounty.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10419~1644479,00.html (http://www.stockportcounty.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10419~1644479,00.html)

Im no fan of points deductions because they punish the wrong people and there is no evidence that it has acted as a deterrent to people who run up debts they cant pay.

However, if we must have these deductions it is imperative that they are handed out consistently. If I was a Southampton fan I'd be absolutely livid.

I decided the people running the league had no clue what they were doing in 1990. I've still seen absolutely nothing since then to change that opinion.  ::)

Did Southampton try to be sneaky in order to dodge a points deduction?

It is a bit busy for us to get upset about when they get their deduction.

What we should be doing instead is working out if they have any players worth getting on the cheap :)

Only by deliberately structuring the club, from a legal point of view, in a way that they thought would mean they wouldn't face a points deduction if they went in to administration. This wasn't a recent thing either, they did this a good few years ago before they had financial problems.

I like Southampton, they're my second club, but the fact that there was premeditation says to me they should get their asses kicked and have the book thrown at them. They were trying to take the fucking piss and should get punished for it.