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No chance. Locke has been brought back to life by the island, I'm sure he will too.

I reckon Sayid has somehow started the chain of events that will lead to Ben become head Other.

The only reason you'd say that is if you'd already downloaded and watched this weeks episode.

For what it is worth I don't think he will die either.

So do you think we'll ever find out what the significance of those darn numbers is?

I hope before the end of this season that I find out what that big foot statue is all about.

Good point, I had totally forgotten about her.

Did you see it last night newmarket red?

Lots of very interesting little 'reveals'.

I have no idea what it meant, but that "shadow of the statue" line was the bit that excited me most.

There are two things that I look forward to the most in LOST:

1) An episode with Richard Alpert in
2) Any kind of reference to that big statue thing

I also enjoyed see all the Egyptian scripture on the walls of the temple where that smoke monster thing came out of.

What's happened to Dan Faraday?

Didn't he go mental after whatsherface died? Although they haven't shown him I'm sure they mentioned him being not all there when kate et al arrived back at the DI camp.

just watched the latest one

'dan?!'
'are you miles? long time no see.'

ace

From what i remember it was just "miles?! long time, no see" not asking if it was miles. Im probably wrong though, was a good episode compared to last weeks shocker.

I think that they are the Dharma Initiative.

The guy in the van in 2004 who tried to talk Miles out of joining Widmore's team, was also back on the island after flight 316 crashed, wasn't he?

Only a handful of episodes left now, and still no sign of the enigmatic Jacob...

I think that they are the Dharma Initiative.

The guy in the van in 2004 who tried to talk Miles out of joining Widmore's team, was also back on the island after flight 316 crashed, wasn't he?

Not really, as Daniel reckoned he could stop the need for the button being pressed.

I think there is no Jacob.

I believe that the season 5 finale is being aired in the states TONIGHT, so I am going to have to stay off the internet until after Sunday now, just in case I stumble across some kind of spoiler.

Nope, he definitely exists.

I have never watched this program, but I have read through some (30 seconds) of this thread. Is it a plausible show? Is it worth watching from the start?

Can I ask a favour, I missed this week's episode (10th)..... any chance someone could give me a quick summary!?  :thumb: Cheers!

Just finished watching the season finale. What the fuck????

I won't give the game away to those that haven't seen it yet other than to say there is a major twist towards the end that no one would have seen coming so again, what the fuck????

Plus I'm totally clueless as to who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, can't believe we have to wait another 6+ months for the next season.

Oh deffo Juliette, to the max.

Interestingly, in real life she is 9 years Kate's senior.

Excellent finale though. So Locke was actually the geezer from the start, sat on the beach with Jacob.

So Locke was actually the geezer from the start, sat on the beach with Jacob.

Well at the start the other guy said to Jacob "do you know how much I want to kill you?"

Could it not have been Ben then?

Im sorry im just a bit confused as if locke is dead ( we have the body to prove that ) who is the other one that is alive?

so viewers could be sure what happened without wasting people's time creating another series, which i believe will just be 4/5 episodes, just like the ending of prison break.

you know at the end of it someone will wake up and it was all a dream :D

I went through the first 5 seasons on DVD to remind myself of stuff, you also get to see things in a different perspective as you know what's going to happen. Watching all the extra's and listening to the commentaries is well worth it as they answer a few questions, especially the ones with the main producers / directors (whatever their names are).

It was the 3rd or 4th season that pissed everyone off, as it went nowhere for a long time. Then ABC said it will run to 6 seasons and everything started moving again as the writers could start moving towards the finish. The show runners have admitted it went off the boil and that being given an end date was the best thing that could happen.

Watching it again, the 5th season was pretty good as things started falling in to place as they linked things up.

Kind of funny that it has been such a big hit, when the ABC executives at the time the pilot was made were fired in part due to the high costs of the pilot ($6m or something like that) when they hadn't committed to it.

Juliet > Farraday's bird > Kate

Just seen episode 1 of season 6.  Locke is smokey, Boom and Charlie appear in the episode and Hurley can talk to dead Jacob

got a link?

Wasn't it originally going to be 8 series, but the makers realised they were milking it far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far too much?

but there is some crazy shit going on especially one thing that happens right at the beginning. It still does your head in a bit though, they're still bringing new stuff in to it and there is only 640 minutes left to go now.

type in great stuff tv on google

got a link?

i'm still watching and am glad it's ending tomorrow.it has become tedious and annoying.
and kate doesn't seem as fit as she used to be for some reason?

i'm still watching and am glad it's ending tomorrow.it has become tedious and annoying.

I caught (my first and) the last ten minutes this morning and pretty much got the jist of it all.

How fucked off would you be if you'd wasted six years of your life on that pile of cat shit.

watched the final last night and still finished with so many unanswered questions and thought the ending was very weak. not what i was expecting at all. Guessed they were dead a long time ago but when did they decide to create that scenario to find each other again?? wtf

and did kate etc make it off the island or were they already dead? if so when did they die

quite dissapointed tbh

i aint got a fucking clue what it all meant,and am bitter at enduring the shite till the end.
the only saving grace was that during it, i could imagine having sex with the numerous fit women on it.

The reason his dad appeared on the island in spirit from time to time is because he was already dead when the plane crashed, and already understood what was going on, he was there to try to get Jack to understand what had happened.

If Richard got off the island does he begin to age?

But then Juliet died died at the end of season 5 and didn't re-appear on the island. 

Where as the others did, so don't think they died then.

I kind of understood it the same way Sam did.

The island was real and flash sideways were purgatory after they had all died.

Of course it left some ends open. How/when did Hurley and Ben die? Did Lapidas, Kate, Sawyer, Miles and Richard leave the island safely or die trying?

Why were people like Alex, Russo, Charlotte, Faraday and Miles used in the flashforwards but weren't in the church, even though the Juliet and Ben were?

Then of course there are the Walt and Michael who didn't appear although I guess that's an 'actors available' reason.

I hoped for as a minimum they'd answer what the island was and why (after Locke/Smoke Monsters) death did it still need protecting?

If Richard got off the island does he begin to age?

How comes Jack could suddenly hurt Locke?

Why did Jacob stop people leaving the island and why did he make sure women couldn't give birth? How differently did Hurley do things?

I certainly didn't expect answers to everything but I felt they didn't answer the most important ones.

I always thought it would finish with Jack doing something to stop all of it ever happening and he'd just wake up on the plane in LAX and they'd all carry on their original lives

....and last of all - when Jack moves onto heave with the others why the hell doesn't he think where the fucks my son? But I guess he wasn't real in real life just in fake life I think...

Either that or it was more to do with Desmond moving that thing and the Island starting to crumble

There seems to be a lot of people on here who spent six years watching something they didn't like.  Did you lose the remote control?

Maybe. But the other thing supporting the rules thing was the rules that Jacob's mother set when she was in charge. Though something had changed as MiB could kill Jack as well, which he couldn't do when Jacob was in charge.

I read a really good explanation of the main points, supposedly written by someone at Bad Robot (the production company). They reckoned Jacob wanted (and needed) to kill MiB but he couldn't do it himself, so he kept bring more people to the island to do it for him including the Dharma Initiative. But he kept them all at arms length and let them get on with it which resulted in MiB corrupting everyone and killing them one way or the other, so eventually he got more involved in it.

They explained the church pretty well, especially why some people were there and some not. For example, Ben didn't go in as the people he needed to find peace with weren't all there and he needed to do that before he could move on.

The full explanation is here: http://forum.lostpedia.com/someone-bad-robots-take-finale-t59261.html

Watched the first series, nothing happened, began to watch the second series - realised at that point that it was more of the same, nothing much happening.

Sounds like it was six series of nothing happening, culminating in an ending which didn't explain anything?

Glad I missed that.

Watching the wire at the moment, stuff happens and it doesn't try and be too clever.

Well those that are saying it was crap and that they didn't waste "6 years" of their lives have missed out IMO.

talking of Flashforward. it finishes on monday does it not?!

really!! why?

i've really enjoyed it and Mrs Benford is fit as

Plus its not like the show was on continually for 6 years.

121 hour episodes, so at most we've wasted just over 5 days.

Even less if you sky+ it and fast forward the adverts.

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First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.


In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding. 

i still dont get it?
if they all died,then why do they go to the afterlife with each other?
why do relationships formed on the island go before everything else in their previous lives?
why didn't sayed go off with his bird who died before the flight?