Title: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 08:40:40 I still hope we'll bring in one more player. It'll be interesting to see who the clubs around us will bring in too, David Noble being a decent signing by Yeovil.
...and then there's those who are administration bound - I've only read that Stockport are most likely to suffer this. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 08:44:04 What's the deal with administration, am I right in thinking they get the points deducted this season if they go into admin now and next season if it is after ?
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 08:46:24 What's the deal with administration, am I right in thinking they get the points deducted this season if they go into admin now and next season if it is after ? Yeah it's to prevent a Leeds and Boston scenario from a few seasons back. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: herthab on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 08:46:27 What's the deal with administration, am I right in thinking they get the points deducted this season if they go into admin now and next season if it is after ? Not exactly. If Yeovil, for example, went into administration after today the FL could choose to hit them now, or next season. Obviously Yeovil would want the points deducted next season, due to their current league position. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: BANGKOK RED on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 08:56:57 If a points deduction means that a club is relegated, then it is done now.
However if a club is relegated anyway even without a deduction, then it is done next season. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 08:56:58 What are the chances of Yeovil going into administration though? They've denied it haven't they? Which I appreciate could mean nothing.
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: herthab on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 09:02:09 What are the chances of Yeovil going into administration though? They've denied it haven't they? Which I appreciate could mean nothing. Lots of rumours down here that they are financially fucked. Wouldn't be surprised if they do tbh, especially with Smarmes there. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: STFC_Gazza on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 09:55:10 Sky Sports News says if Stockport do not agree a deal with HMRC today they will go into administration.
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:26:21 If Stockport get a 10 point deduction that puts them 2 points above us. Right in the mixer.
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:33:40 Yeovil, Stockport and I have heard Oldham as well are all in financial shitstreet right now and all are possible administration threats.
Yeovil are indeed in deep poo hence the appointment of the cheap option of Skivvy as manager instead of Holowhead. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:52:51 I wonder if they use the club's sound finances as a bargaining chip when they're trying to convince new players to come to the Country Ground. You'd have thought financial stability would be pretty important for a lot of players and that knowing they'll get paid on time every month of their contract would be a big plus.
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: STFC_Gazza on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:54:42 I wonder if they use the club's sound finances as a bargaining chip when they're trying to convince new players to come to the Country Ground. You'd have thought financial stability would be pretty important for a lot of players and that knowing they'll get paid on time every month of their contract would be a big plus. Exactly what was said before about Fitton not "splashing the cash" Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:55:29 If Stockport get a 10 point deduction that puts them 2 points above us. Right in the mixer. Wouldn't that deduction be done next season though? My understanding of the new rules was that they don't let clubs use administration to their advantage and the deduction is done, in effect, to cause the most damage. So as Stockport are safe from relegation, they'd get the deduction next season. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:56:36 but surely 2 points above us isn't safe, are we safe?
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:01:55 Wouldn't that deduction be done next season though? My understanding of the new rules was that they don't let clubs use administration to their advantage and the deduction is done, in effect, to cause the most damage. So as Stockport are safe from relegation, they'd get the deduction next season. As I understand the rule, if clubs go into administration today they take the points deduction this season. Any clubs going into administration after today, the FL decide whether to apply the deduction this season or next. I'm not sure about this 'most damage' thing, it's mostly just to stop clubs being devious and bending the rules to their advantage i.e. Leeds. If, say, Yeovil go into admin after today they'll probably get the deduction next season because as it is they already stand a good chance of being relegated. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:07:58 Most damage was a bad choice of words, least advantageous would be better.
Surely taking the points deduction when you are safe from relegation is in effect the same as taking it when you are already relegated - it has no effect on you. So if Stockport take that option and it doesn't result in them getting relegated, they'll get the points deduction next season. What are the rules about them coming out of administration? Anyone remember why Leeds got that extra points deduction for not doing it properly? Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:22:13 If they come out via a CVA, they will only get a 10 point penalty.
If they come out via the Leeds/Rotherham/Bournemouth, well additional points penalties are in the offing. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:23:27 What are the rules about them coming out of administration? Anyone remember why Leeds got that extra points deduction for not doing it properly? You have to do it by agreeing a CVA. Leeds didn't because Bates liquidated one company and then bought it back for £1 under another company, effectively debt free. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:51:33 You have to do it by agreeing a CVA. Leeds didn't because Bates liquidated one company and then bought it back for £1 under another company, effectively debt free. Are there deadlines for coming out of administration? Do they need to have it sorted before the start of the new season? I seem to recall they have to, or run the risk of the Football League not renewing their registration. I still think Leeds should have had another points deduction due to Bates being a c*nt. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:01:47 I still think Leeds should have had another points deduction due to Bates being a c*nt. I agree on that. He got away with 10p in the pound, so in effect buying it back for £3.8m, and most importantly debt free. Profit the following year...£4.5m !! Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:11:56 I agree on that. He got away with 10p in the pound, so in effect buying it back for £3.8m, and most importantly debt free. Profit the following year...£4.5m !! That is fucking sickening. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:33:06 He got away with 10p in the pound, so in effect buying it back for £3.8m, and most importantly debt free. Maybe he hasn't gotten away with it, there is still ongoing legal action.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/mar/05/matt-scott-leeds-united-bidder-considers-claim-against-ken-bates Not quite sure what it is all about as I couldn't make total sense of it, but it sounds like Bates had some kind of connection with one of the major creditors who conveniently wrote off their debt provided Bates took control, with the connection being denied at the time despite it being specifically asked about. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 13:51:54 But clubs who go into administration after today's (26 March 2009) 1700 GMT deadline face having their 10-point deduction suspended.
If the club is relegated the points will be deducted from their tally at the start of next season but if the club stays up the 10 points will be taken off their final total. The club would then go down if the 10-point deduction subsequently resulted in it slipping into a relegation place. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 14:07:12 Jennison Myrie-Williams has rejoined Hereford on loan - he's one of 8 loan players they have at the moment (I think)
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 14:29:20 8 (EIGHT)? Is that even legal?
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 14:38:20 8 (EIGHT)? Is that even legal? You can only field a certain amount. We did the same during Andy King's final months. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 14:45:32 Code: 47.3 There shall be two categories of temporary loan transfers allowed: Standard Loans and Emergency Loans. The following restrictions shall apply to both types of loan: Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 14:48:23 Code: 47.3 There shall be two categories of temporary loan transfers allowed: Standard Loans and Emergency Loans. The following restrictions shall apply to both types of loan: Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 16:28:00 playing the "who will go into admin" game is exicting when its not going to be STFC
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: nochee on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 16:40:42 Will they be named and shamed at 5pm?
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 16:42:54 If any go into administration that is.
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 16:48:08 I wonder if they use the club's sound finances as a bargaining chip when they're trying to convince new players to come to the Country Ground. You'd have thought financial stability would be pretty important for a lot of players and that knowing they'll get paid on time every month of their contract would be a big plus. Wouldn't have thought so, because we were allegedly after Noble, but the deal fell through because of money...whereas Yeovil seem to have been prepared to stump up the $. Players have to be paid for a club to retain its League certificate, even if it's delayed. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 16:49:36 Wouldn't have thought so, because we were allegedly after Noble, but the deal fell through because of money...whereas Yeovil seem to have been prepared to stump up the $. thats speculation Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:03:03 Iain Harte has joined Carlisle United on a short term deal.
Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:04:49 There is no evidence that the deal with Noble fell through due to money.
And I have it on good authority that Gary Johnson has let Noble play for Yeovil with Shitty covering his full wages for the term of the loan. Old pals act, nothing to do with finances. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: DV on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:14:09 Lee Hughes to Blackpool apparently
Everything seems to be going a bit tits up at Oldham Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:14:57 There is no evidence that the deal with Noble fell through due to money. And I have it on good authority that Gary Johnson has let Noble play for Yeovil with Shitty covering his full wages for the term of the loan. Old pals act, nothing to do with finances. WDP reported Skiverton as stating Noble didn't even want to go out on loan, but a chat with him helped or something. Dunno why anyone would want to play for Skivvies, Johnson must've just told him to fuck off... Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:31:23 Lee Hughes to Blackpool apparently Everything seems to be going a bit tits up at Oldham Oldham have felt for a while like a prime candidate to go tits up...usual recipe of spending money they don't have. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: dell boy on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:35:44 Sam Sodje Reading to Leeds
Darryl Flavian Palace to Leeds Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 17:46:35 There is no evidence that the deal with Noble fell through due to money. Either the Mail or the Mirror reported Shitty are paying all bar 100 quid of his wages, and Skiverton was kissing Johnson's butt about itAnd I have it on good authority that Gary Johnson has let Noble play for Yeovil with Shitty covering his full wages for the term of the loan. Old pals act, nothing to do with finances. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: alanmayes on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 18:22:51 There is no evidence that the deal with Noble fell through due to money. And I have it on good authority that Gary Johnson has let Noble play for Yeovil with Shitty covering his full wages for the term of the loan. Old pals act, nothing to do with finances. I think this is spot on.Apparently,when we were interested (approx 3 weeks ago) he turned down a move to us and also to Brighton.Indeed it does look as if Johnson is doing his old club a favour. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 18:49:52 WDP reported Skiverton as stating Noble didn't even want to go out on loan, but a chat with him helped or something. Dunno why anyone would want to play for Skivvies, Johnson must've just told him to fuck off... Hopefully he'll be shit then....because we're back to scratching around for a midfield on Sat. Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, March 26, 2009, 18:56:14 If Noble turned us down because he didn't want to go out on loan then he seems to have changed his tune since!
Quote In the summer I'm going to be looking for a new club so I didn't want to go into that free-for-all with nobody having seen me for four or five months Title: Re: Loan Transfer & Administration Deadline Day Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 27, 2009, 14:09:54 So no one went into administration then, surprise as I expected at least 1 club to do it by the deadline
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