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Title: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 09:53:45
This is turning into a farce... exactly sums up Ken Bates really. What a cunt.

From various papers this morning:

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Leeds chairman Ken Bates may sue West Ham over the Carlos Tevez affair, claiming a loss of earnings on three players from Elland Road that were sold to the Blades. Matthew Kilgallon, Rob Hulse and Ian Bennett had clauses in their contracts entitling Leeds to a windfall had the players stayed in the Premier League.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 09:58:31
See Neil Warnock going to sue aswell....


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:00:48
West Ham have set themselves up for this though.  Played with fire and are now getting burned.  Their desire to sell-up, with the Iceland gang in financial problems (having creditors trying to take them to court back in Iceland) means they need to tidy up any potential liabilities - so everyone will now wade in knowing they will settle to get the sale of the club progressed.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:03:05
The Premier league made this mess by fudging West Ham's punishment in the first place.

Where is the demarcation of who can sue and who can't? Can the Sheffield pie maker take action because he sold less pies when they were in the Championship than in the Prem?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:09:08
Probably, it's the same logic as Warnock, Bates and the Sheffield United players are using, I can see this getting messy.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:40:18
Then you've got the shirt manufacturers and sponsors...


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:58:55
Isn't the players / managers claim directly related to them being relegated though? In that their contracts said, in the Premiership you'll get £xxK and in the Championship £xK and they want the money they lost as a result. Sounds the same with regards the Leeds players.

I think the mistake West Ham have made is by not making sure that the single agreement with Sheff Utd was the end of it and would cover everything, with anyone else claiming their money from Sheff Utd. As they've paid up to Sheff Utd I can see it being very difficult for them to argue against the other claims.

The real guilty party is the Premier League though for not taking the correct action at the time.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:22:35
I listened to Talk Sport on the way to the match last night and fans on all sides were making valid points.

It, however all boils down to one thing Tevez wasnt properly registered (i know about the admin blah blah).

As always its one rule for Premier League and one rule for everyone else.

We have seen teams get kicked out the FA Cup and docked points in the League and Blue Square.

As for West Ham fans working out how many points they got with Tevez playing...thats a joke, i am sure that when we got bombed down the league two divisions we could of come up with weird and wonderful excuses.

The Premier League should take the shame fairly on the chin and should of acted at the time.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:33:22
It, however all boils down to one thing Tevez wasnt properly registered (i know about the admin blah blah).

I'm still confused as to exactly what they did wrong at the end of the day, but if Tevez wasn't registered correctly then aren't the rules pretty clear - all games he played in are void and go down as 3-0 losses or something?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: nevillew on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:39:26


The real guilty party is the Premier League though for not taking the correct action at the time.

I thought you'd be blaming Phil Smith ?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:49:50
Are fans gonna sue because it would have cost them less money to get a train to West Ham than it did to Sheffield?

Just shows what footballs turning into.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 13:02:26
Ken Bates is a cunt.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 13:06:10
Ken Bates is a cunt.
Obviously. But it is the PL's fault though - they opened the door to this by bottling the initial decision as jonny said. And this whole thing could open a real can of worms - who's going to be the first club to sue because they got relegated by a dodgy refereeing decision?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 13:48:36
I'm going to sue ken bates for being a cunt.  a beardy cunt at that


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 13:57:08
I'm going to sue ken bates for being a cunt.  a beardy cunt at that

And you will win.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 13:58:08
get in.  I'm rich!


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:03:16
The precedent you set may mean that you don't keep hold of your money for long.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:04:52
Surely we could all get together on a class action against Bates for the pain and mental stress he caused us with malice aforethought by:
a) Nicking not one but two managers off us
b) Forever ruining Christmas by forcing us to be reminded of him every time we see a department store Santa
c) Being a beardy cunt


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:17:12
The precedent you set may mean that you don't keep hold of your money for long.

I'm not beardy


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:24:25
I thought you'd be blaming Phil Smith ?

Fuck me, its spread to another thread. Why can't I be allowed to think Smith is shit and Brezovan is better?

Its not as if its the wildest view of a player, I've seen some people commenting that Ifil is half decent.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:25:15
Now he's starting on the Beast!! Let's stone him to death!!!


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:26:55
Now he's starting on the Beast!! Let's stone him to death!!!

You'll have to do the same to Wilson as he has obviously come to the same conclusion at long last.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:44:25
KILL THE INFIDEL!


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:00:58
I hope Ken Bates dies.

And soon....


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 16:53:56
Surely we could all get together on a class action against Bates for the pain and mental stress he caused us with malice aforethought by:
a) Nicking not one but two managers off us
b) Forever ruining Christmas by forcing us to be reminded of him every time we see a department store Santa
c) Being a beardy cunt

d) Sitting on the panel that relegated us two divisions in 1990, the hypocritical beardy cunt.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 17:21:39
I didn't want Sheffield Utd. to be relgated, it caused me massed of mental anguish and pain!  Do I have a case to sue?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 20, 2009, 14:55:39
Now Fulham are trying to make a claim...


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 20, 2009, 15:03:40
Actually, Fulham are probably the remaining party with the best case it's effectively exactly the same case that West Ham just paid out to Sheffield United on- albeit for a much smaller amount.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 20, 2009, 16:25:25
But Fulham didn't get relegated did they?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, March 20, 2009, 19:32:38
can we sue them for anything?


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, March 20, 2009, 19:33:43
Sure, let's sue Bates for just plain being a beardy santa cunt.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 20, 2009, 21:29:39
But Fulham didn't get relegated did they?

No, but they lost out on prize money for Premiership placings, which equates to about 500k. I suspect they'll get that and no more.


Title: Re: Ken Bates to sue West Ham (ongoing Tevez saga)
Post by: luke80 on Saturday, March 21, 2009, 00:27:00
Sure, let's sue Bates for just plain being a beardy santa cunt.
Certainly got a tighter case than Bates!