Thetownend.com

Probably the best post i've seen on there for a long time , cant really argue with a word of it, and brings home how much trouble we are in.

Keepers.

Brezovan is a good keeper who should have been playing all season.
Smith has made school girl errors and should never play again.

Defence.

Jack Smtih done ok but nothing special.
Amankwahh is total rubbish and has been a disaster signging.
Casal has been a disaster signing.
Ifil lost all belief under malpas. An ok player in this league but needs help.
Aljofree is worst captain ever and not good enough.
Morrison is young , got potential but is only 17.
Kanyuka is bambi on ice, never good enough.

We need a central defender ASAP and a left back ASAP.

Midfield.

Peacock , gives his all but not a midfielder, not good enough.
Easton, great last year probably best we have, needs games.
Pook, a conference player, no quality at all.
Timlin, bad signing as doesnt influence games at all.
Mcgovern, to slow, runs around like a headless chicken.
Mcnamee, has quality needs better players around in to get best from him.
Marshall, a gamble that may never come off.

Really we need a new right winger and two more in the middle, one who can get hold of the game a bit and dictate play.

Strikers.

Cox is quality and if we lose him in January god help us.
Paynter, Slow, not good in the air, doesnt hold the ball up that well and doesnt score that many.
Corr, a better player than Paynter but sadly for him never fit.
Sturrock, on sat they said he was our best player. If he is one of our best players we really are in big trouble, a conference player.

I'd say most of that is pretty accurate-dont agree with the Paynter bit though

I dont agree with what was said about Brezovan, P Smith, Timlin, Paytner, Sturrock

I'd say alot of that was rubbish to be honest.

Brezovan deserved to be dropped he was shit
P Smith has made mistakes but then so has Brez, so I cant see how one should never play again and the other should have been playing all season

Ifil is better than an ok player for this league, when he is on form. I do agree with the part that he lost belief under Malpas
Aljofree, whilst not a good captain is certainly not the worse one we ever had. Step forward Sean O'fucking Hanlon. He was an even worse captain and player!

Timlin hasnt hit the ground running this season but was more than good enough in his two loan spells and was probably our best player pre-season. Like Easton the ability is there just lack of a run of games in the same position.
McGorvern is a headless chicken who isnt good enough yet McNamee is quality and needs better players around him. Both are decent enough wingers and both dont get enough service

Paynters lost form recently but no near as bad as people make out. Him and Cox are our best strike partnership and even though I wasnt there I dont think its any co-incidence that as soon as Paynter comes back into the team Cox scores again. In no way is Barry Corr a better player than him.
Sturrock is a good player maybe a bit too intelligent with the ball for our team

I think the original is valid, going by yours we should be top half, which we obviously aren't.

how do you work out we should be top half by what I said?!

To be honest i disagree about Aljofree, Timlin, McGovern, Paynter and Sturrock. Not to say they're perfect players, just think assessment on them was somewhat harsh.

'Step forward Sean O'fucking Hanlon. He was an even worse captain and player!'

Find it difficult to see how you arrive at this. Is it because he joined Franchise.

He was a terrible player, surely you do not disagree? a silent captain and not a very good defender.

i disagree with the comments about brez,p smith,aljofree,timlin,pook,paynter,mcgovern.

Mark Seagraves was even worse than O'Hanlon(who wasn't that shit as a player to be fair-shit skipper tho')

I arrived at it because he was shit for us.

o'hanlon was alright for us.wasn't captain material but was-is a decent player

Brez IS a good keeper who was pilloried for his errors far more than Smith was.I still believe that if Brez had been given equal opportunities as Smith by Byrne we would have more points.

Good point

Hewlett.

That is all the contribution I have to make.

 Just your comments imply we have better players than our position implies, when we can all see bar the few decent ones mentioned we have a pile of shite, and we are in the position their general skill level deserves

No, I said some of our players werent as bad as the whoever wrote that thing made out.

For example both Peter Brezovan and Phil Smith have made horrible errors and cost us points both of them.

Therefore, how can anyone possibly say Brez should have been playing all season and P Smith should never play for us again.

Thats so hypocritical because they have both made mistakes.

Same with JPM and McNamee, how can one be a shit headless chicken and one be pure quality when there contributions this season have been pretty much the same. JPM has been the better of the 2 recently as well.

also, seagraves and hewlett never captained us to relegation to the 4th division!!

Good points DV

Couldnt you just have replied on Thisis?

I love the fact that DV's had a not negative enough slap down.

Therefore, how can anyone possibly say Brez should have been playing all season and P Smith should never play for us again.

Thats so hypocritical because they have both made mistakes.

[/quote]


Because Brez is a better keeper and Smith had far more of an opportunity to atone for his errors than Brezovan did.Im not saying either is perfect but I believe we are now beginning to see which is the better of the two.I dont think anyone is clamouring for Smith's return.

Yeah, weird eh!

i never said Smith was better than Brez etc etc etc all I said was both keepers have let us down alot this season, both have cost us points. Yet their 'evalutions' are worlds apart despite both being shit thus far.

One positive. I think the mentality of our fans will be a bit better now most of us think half the squad are not good enough.

Peacock makes Hewlett look like Kaka.

Yeah, he missed of the lazy bastard, always blaming everyone else bit

The Brezovan/Smith argument is wearing thinner than a fat bird's g-string.

The fact is, it doesn't matter who has been/is in goal. We're fucking shit all over the pitch.

Suttonred, apart from your thoughts on Timlin and JPM I think you are pretty much spot on .... we are total shit and that is it.

If the players are as shit as we think, then we need to back them even more so they play to the top of their game.

Come on Dave, even you can't seriously believe that?  Peacock is well past his best but it's just plain rude to say Hewlett was better than the Cock.  

If we had Hewlett in this team we'd be bottom without question.

Sadly the fans that are prepared to do this are too spread out to have a positive impact.

I always had a begrudging liking for Hewlett, whereas I've always considered Peacock to be a useless Shit-head cast off wanker.

But he had a nice coat Dave.

But Hewlett was also a Shit-head cast off wanker. The difference being that Peacock used to be half decent, even if he's gone downhill this year.

You could be on to something here jan ... has anybody seen THE coat lately? Did it go missing just after Tranmere at home? Bring back the coat and we'll be saved, and then Lloyd-Webber can make a musical about our amazing escape from the drop ... or something.

I agree. However, I've heard too many excuses as to why others won't. Everyone's moved away from the Town End. The team is too poor (yes it is but it hasn't stopped the atmosphere before). Malpas. Byrne. Aljofree. Fucking hell, I'm sure some people blamed the lack of Bovril as to the reason why there's no atmosphere.

The simple fact is people can't be bothered. I know, because I've felt the same at times. Sometimes I've put in the effort only to realise nobody else can be arsed and it does take the wind out of your sails a bit. I can't say I blame the crowd either (and I include myself within this, as I consider my support to be below par this season) ...watching the team this season has been a chore, but as others have pointed out, it was as dead as the night on the opening day. It should have been loud, it wasn't.

I know it's a two way thing, we're begging the players to show some life but they've got nothing to play for except to collect their wages. There is no pride in this team anymore and clearly we're not destined for anything of note (except possible relegation). Simply turning up is what the players have been doing and what we've rightly been criticising them for, but we get all high and mighty as fans and say that the team whould be grateful that we turned up. Well what's the point if people just sit there and do sod all? There may as well be nobody there watching them. We as fans need to show them there is more than their wage to play for and in turn they need to show us there is something to cheer for, even if we don't finish high up in the division.

I never intended this to turn into a mega-rant but as I typed more, the more I realised how bad things have become. I think back to Byrne 'lashing out' at the rubbishness of the fans and at the time I thought it was inappropriate for him to say that. Now I know exactly how he felt and what he meant. I also know most of these points have been made by others, but it's time the fans and players took a long hard look at themselves and cut the horse manure out of their attitudes.

It's not quite slashing wrist time. If we give up the players give up. In truth, I think collectively the club probably has. But we all need to stop saying/typing the same old cliched rubbish and just get the hell on with it. It's the only way we will climb away from the drop. That's the last time I'm going to moan about the fans this year.

If you reversed the order you'd be more accurate. The fans have got a bit excited when the players have looked like they give a fuck.
I must admit I wouldn't give a fuck if every single one of our players was sold.

I'm sure you're fishing but your comment sums up the point of my post in three sentences.

Makes me one too then cos I agree

The Bovril bothers me.....that oxo is shite!

a dick that can use the quote feature properly!!!

oh the irony.

 :doh:

I think that was the point!

Not fishing and was sober for once. I don't do this fishing mallarkey. Its how I feel.

If you don't sing any Bovril related songs then clearly you deserve what you get for your general apathy. In Fact, I think you should make a mad Bovril chant for the next home game. That'd get the atmosphere going. In fact, I've just thought of a really naff one whilst typing:

We stir to the left
We stir to the right
That drink called Bovril
Makes OXO taste shite

If you think our fans have been good this season then I'd like to know how the opticians charged you for tinting your lenses a rose colour.

I didn't say that. What I did say was that I fully understand why our fans have been silent. At times - ie Leicester when the players had a go then the fans woke up. If the players grew a pair then maybe the fans would respond.

when a new boss comes into a club,i'd expect the players of that club to raise their game and effort.surely the players will be eager to impress?
if that is the case,have our players raised their games and effort levels a notch recently?
 is it that their best isn't good enough?

It was good enough against Orient when the fans were behind them

Agree.....we battled against Stockport as well and it lifted the crowd no end!

And yet we were deadly silent against Tranmere, even though we won. We're quiet right at the start of every home game - I don't think it's reasonable that the team should create a chance within a minute of kicking off and thus lift the crowd. Against Leyton Orient we started so well, but the atmosphere was there right before the game anyway. In fact Orient is a great example of both the players and the fans putting in the effort from the off - why should we wait for the players to do something or vice versa?

I'm not stating the reason for poor performances are the fans, but I don't doubt we've played a part, especially the fans who ripped into Malpas even before we had done anything wrong. I think there is a negative attitude amongst the fans has rubbed off onto the players is all I am saying.

Oh and I agree that poor performnces breed poor atmosphere, but I think we need to get over it and start trying to pull ourselves out of the shit. Players and fans included.

The atmosphere at away games is usually pretty good anyway.

The main problem at the CG is a lot of the singers in the Townend are now sitting in the Arkells, or Don Rodgers, thus diluting the Townends impact.

Oh, also not forgetting that for most of this season we've been shit at home.......

Well according to Chris at the club, in December, they have plans for the Town End.

Four weeks on and nothing, no attempt has been made to improve the atmosphere at the ground.

Supply everyone in the town end with a megaphone?

Make the away fans sit down!

SIT DOWN!!!!!!!

Townend should be a tenner, and that is that.

Sing when you're standing, you only sing when you're standing!

I agree, problem solved, so long as the product is better than it has been though.

 Alot of the atmosphere at big home games comes from the people who dont come every week. Alot of the older lads seem to head left of the townend as you look at it, and it's empty there half the time. Drop the prices, get the "only come out for the big games" fans coming more ofter and watch the atmosphere improve.

That suggestion has always seemed like a no brainer to me, not quite sure why the board haven't cottoned on, as they are pretty astute in most areas.

Hello Panda Paws....nice to meet you at Orient....are you going to Millwall??