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Ifil, Amankwaah, Nallis and Casal To Go On Loan? Could be...

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/sport/football/Swindon-boss-Malpas-set-step-loan-moves/article-443197-detail/article.html

I dont think they will all go out on loan some how.

Wouldnt lose any sleep if Casal or Nalis went.

Ifil still has a place here and I think playing in a confident team Amankwaah would do a steady job.

If anything Malpas will be/should be looking to get the youngsters on professional contracts like Kennedy, Hyde etc out on loan

Ikno for a fact ifi is likel to be a perm sigin for someone else

I can honestly say, I fucking hope not.

Someone ones been drinking......

Make that two....................

How come it seems it's the WDP getting all the stories these days, whereas the Adver are just spinning out the Saturday/Thurdsay press calls over the whole week?

Ifill has been hard done by. Whether MM is on the upturn or not, he's not managed Ifill very well. The others have not done enuogh to give too much of a shit about. The Beast is a good ambassador for the club and I feel for the guy. From his point of view, however, it could turn out well for him.

Thing is though, in all seriousness.

Who comes in when Aljofree or Morrison get injured. Kanyuka, who seems to rarely be fit and has been awful most of the times I've watched him play then after that we have Vincent who is 33 years old and has been injured since what July/August and doesnt even get mentioned these days.

Even if he isnt playing now, I still feel there will be a time during the season when Ifil gets a run in the team or if he goes a time when hes needed in the team

Credit to Malpas and Byrne for getting decent results in the last 3 games. To have gone from being sooo fucking close to getting the boot a couple of weeks ago, to getting competitive performances and results out of players who seemed totally unconfident for weeks on end is fucking amazing. I hope they keep it up and we go from strength to strength now.

One move that would unhinge all the recent good work done by the management, for me anyway, would be for them to let Ifil go permanently. Loan him out to get his confidence back, maybe. To fucking sell or transfer him would be mental though.

I could accept Coxy moving on to further his career. I wouldn't like it, but it makes inevitable sense and would bring some cash in (anything less than £2m would be a shit deal for us in today's minted transfer market.) To lose Ifil really would piss me off though. I know he's been guilty of making mistakes - some right fucking howlers, granted - but Malpas should be rebuilding his confidence and getting him back to being a solid centre back, not ditching him so some other cunts can get the best out of him.

That's cos that slave trading cunt Andy Cryer has fucked off (bless him though for helping expose the previous board as being total cunts and for winding luggy up on a regular basis;-).

The new Adver bloke seems a bit fucking wet from what I've read of him. Probably being trounced by WDP journo's who've been around longer.

casal and wankwaa i hope go.why on earth would the other two be loaned out?

Don't go Jerel, we love you! :)

I think senior players should stay and compete if I'm honest.

Casal needs a loan spell - I wouldn't send Amankwaah out either.

It needs to be the likes of Joyce, Casal and even Corr.

Totally agree. On form Ifil is a far better CB than Morrison is right now. Not having a dig at Morrison BTW.

However if MM had had a hissy fit with Ifil resulting in him being frozen out, then I think Ifil needs to request a move/loan away for his own sake.

ifil may have made mistakes but he was doing the jobs of three defenders when he played.morrison could get better but he constantly makes mistakes which mm lets him get away with because of his age.i would welcome ifil back right now.

Ifil should be playing ahead of Morrison without question, thats my view. Morrison will be a great player in a good few years, Jake was at Wycombe for a week last month, with a view to taking him when we bomb him at the end of the season

Seen as you know the youth team oh so well (insert predictable joke usually posted by Tans here)

Which ones are on pro contracts and will be bombed out at the end of the season. I guess we signed them up on pro deals just incase some one came knocking.

Apart from Sean Morrison, Ben Joyce and Callum Kennedy none of them have got near the first team

Ifil pisses me off. He can have great games and be an absolute rock. Then again he can have fucking shockers and lose us the game.

I may be the only one to say this but I feel more comfortable with Hasney and Morrison. I don't think Ifil's bad form is due to poor management, I just get the impression he doesn't want to be here. I just hate his distribution of the ball, and he loses concentration all the time. On his day he's one of the best in the league, but he has so many shit games, he just pisses me off.

Jake Tom & Sam Morris will go, the others are still youth team players on pro contracts

What about Allen & Kennedy I assume their up at the end of the season. Those two arent youth players anymore?

touch and go, with callum hes had Yinka, Has, Smith,Timlin all play ahead of him, Vincent would play ahead of his aswell, so hes 6th choice, dont look good

I try and keep up with all this sorta shit but its not always easy information to find.

I think technically Chris Allen is a good player just not big or strong enough. Where as I think Pook is the opposite  big and strong enough but not brilliant technically. Mix the two and you have a pretty good midfielder.

Allen hasnt featured all season and it was Sturrock who gave him a pro contract so I guess he'll end up at Supermarine next season!

I've never thought Kennedy to be that good to be honest.

callum is the same as chrissy, technically sound but a bit light weight

Im disappointed that you think i would do such a thing Dan...

Im a changed man!

why that? are u now funny?

funny looking

i reckon most of the young lads even with pro contracts now wont be pros for much longer.
the odd exception maybe?

they might give the current 2nd year youths (Lloyd, Kurt, Westall) a year to impress like they did with Jake, Tom & Sam, though they have proved not good enough

did they just take some of them on for a laugh?

i mean sam morris wont have any chance of making the 1sts will he?

Sam had no chance, but the kid has a great attitude and work rate, think thats what got him the year

fair dos, but surely thats a waste of resources.

i mean how much are these kids on? £200 a week?

yeah i think you are right.

It is a shame about Ifil, but something has obviously gone on as he is not even making the bench, shame as I think before all our defensive frailties kicked in he was one of our best defenders - certainly better than Aljokefree.

Loaning him out thougfh he is much better than L2 so surely would get into a L1 team but surely only teams that are struggling will look at defenders on loan, and would you really want to loan him out to a team around us ?

Sadly I can see him moving on permanently if MM stays post Jan

Ifil needs someone to tell him what to do. He is positionally shite. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go - it was no coincidence he was good in League 2

and good in league one last year and a few years ago.

Not sure what to say really if anything.. Ifil seems to be have frozen out all together. i can only imagine this would make things worse for his confidence

Imo Ifil is quality, in league 1 no player is consistent enough.He is a model pro gets on with it and has been Loyal considering the amount of times he has not been paid.

On a seperate note i was told the other day just in conversation mind and possibly total bollocks that his family were abused at a game a few weeks ago and if that is the case then its disgusting.

Like i said dont know how true that is 

Jerel and family usually sit about 2 rows behind me at the CG, and I have never heard them be abused (I did miss the 'Udders match though).

I sit in front of them and have never heard any abuse....

Hope that is the case then, like i said it was just the "i heard" sort of conversation

i know the incident you are on about drs.i sit near there.a bloke was removed from the arkells during the huddersfield game.i have heard him shout stuff before,and he abused aaron brown when he was sat in the stand last season.i didn't hear what he said but i expect it was offensive to somebody

Ifil was racially abused at the Huddersfield game. Fucking disgusting.

I was sexually abused at the Huddersfield game. Disgusting fucking.

DRS takes his midget fetish too far.

 :soapy tit wank: your being quite funny today!

Nick Watkins referred to it in his programme notes for the following game as fact. He's not in the business of peddling rumours

Hope they catch the culprits and string the cunts up

Them cunts were sat next to me at the Oldham game. Boasting that they shouted stuff at Ifil but said none of it was racist. They are season ticket holders and have been moved to the town end.

And they are a bunch of annoying cunts.

I thought Ifil was a top defender two years ago, whats gone wrong.
He does not have a footballers brain, and his distribution is youth level at best this season, again whats gone wrong with the lad.
I think it is time for him to move on for his own footballing career, he needs a change and a challenge.

Nothing has gone wrong, he just hasn't progressed as he should have done.  He's old enough and been in the game long enough to not need nursing through a game by now.  Unfortunately, that's exactly what he needs most of the time.

His last good spell was probably while Williams or Vincent were playing.  Before that he was a player with great potential but still inconsistent.  As we have had a team low on confidence, and lacking a natural leader, he's back to his old self and it shows more.  If he was inconsistent in a team doing well, his mistakes are less obvious and not as costly.

Shame really, not sure what you can do because you can't keep making allowances for him.  If he was a 30 goal a season striker you could argue it's worth making allowances in the team to fit that in, but not for a centre half.  Better to have consistently average players in the back 4 than have 4 inconsistent guys.

Over the course of the season jerel is more than a average performer imo.

Not this season ..

we havent finished the season tho dell, he said over the course of a season

January time to go for Ifil, end of season at Swindon for him, cant see him coming into the side before then unless we have a major injury problems.

I actually agree dell but believe it will be a mistake. Next summer we will likely be left with just kanyuke and aljofree.

Doesn't matter.  It only takes a handfull of dreadfull games to ruin confidence and a teams season.  He may be magnificent in 20, but if he's a liability in 15 we woudl be in real trouble.  We could probably lose a few he's magnificent in but it's harder to win the ones he's shit in because that normally equals goals against.

It works the other wat around for the attacking players I think.  Shit strikers can be backed up by a solid 0-0.  When they are on form, they can win games on their own.

By the way, I'd still keep him here.  I can just see why it might go the way it seems to be, and it wouldn't suprise me to see him drop down a league.

Not arguing for the sake of it rob but he would not be a liability for 15 games

He's been one for at least 3 this season that he's played in.  Morrison has been steady, but not a liability.  I think the current back 4 looks workable, and I don't like Aljofree, so that's saying something.

But he's not alone is he. Easton has been crap and trading on last season. Aljofree was complete bullshit for so many games.  Both keepers have been pretty crap etc etc. But Ifiil does seem to be the one paying the price. We know he's going to have crap games but he comes through repeatedly. My worry is losing that pace at the back.
Also, Ifill is a model pro who is a good ambassador for the club. This is in great contrast to our captain. I know which one I'd keep.   

I'm not disagreeing with you, as I said earlier two years ago he was class, so what has happened to Ifil, it maybe he has been asked to come out of his comfort zone and use his brain and play stylish football from the back, this is not his game, he is good defensively one-on-one he always seemed to have the pace and know-how to see the forward off.
So it maybe he needs a player next to him that has a footballers brain and not another hoofer/ball winner. When Williams was playing next to him he looked a cert to play at much a higher level.

Dell Boy - agree with what you say. He is a very limited and unintelligent player but he's loyal and has pace to burn. Weren't there a number of people thuogh who had him in their top 3 for player of the year last year? Its this season he's gone downhill. I'm not sure making a confidence player a scapegoat is particularly big or clever particularly when we're trying to develop players and don't have a ready made replacement. With Aljofree and morrison we will always concede goals as both have the turning circle of the Arc Royal and the pace of John Sargent.

Ifil is a confidence player- needs the arm round the shoulder. Do not think Malpas has managed him very well at all. Under previous managers (Even King) were able to get much more out of him.

Whats more worrying about this thread is that 3 out of the 4 players are Malpas transfers that he brought in. Says a lot for his player selection when only 3 months down the line he wants to loan them out!!

Jerel Ifil had more than his fair share of "moments" before Malpas came in.

If a player is playing below standard, he should be dropped and it should be up to the player to force his way back in. Example? Michael Pook. Hasn't done him any harm has it?

Maybe Malpas made these comments to give them a kick up the arse.

Ifil is a confidence player we all know that. Playing in a confidenceless team with a midfield that offers the defence no protection means Ifil will be poor.

Now we have a bit of confidence about and we've got a better quality of midfield I'm sure he will do fine. Morrison will need a rest soon I reckon and we'll get suspensions and I'd rather have Ifil playing than Kanyuka.

Infact rest Morrison on Saturday and put Ifil in....or put him in for the piss poor paint pot game.

Quite. Someone said on here the other day somewhere that Ifil doesn't play well in a losing team and I think that about hits the nail on the head - the "confidence player" thing isn't just about him, it's about whether the team has confidence as well. Thing is, though, when you're up against it and needing to turn things round as we have been recently, doesn't that mean Ifil is a dodgy pick? And on the basis of the old "don't change a winning team" haven't the current incumbents done enough to retain the shirt? Don't get me wrong, I really like Jerel and I'd be gutted if he goes but I'm not at all sure he's an automatic name on the sheet any more. And I'm starting to worry that maybe this confidence thing just equates to being a bit soft

Are you really suggesting that the return of Pook has improved the 'quality' of our midfield? No disrespect to Pook as he has done well and taken his chance, but I'd rather have Easton partnering Peacock. Granted though, Easton has been shit this season and deserves to be behind Pook on current form. Now what was my point again?

The results speak for themselves.

True. Easton on form > Pook though. I think that was my point. Maybe....

Form is temporary, class is permanent?