Title: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 20:46:50 ... I agree that he wasn't the last man and Chelsea have won their appeal... But what gets me is that Terry has clearly dragged Jo down to the ground, it's not violent but it's a professional foul surely? To demote Halsey 3 divisions for this, I believe, is unfair on the ref.
[url width=468 height=449]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/16/article-0-02A4D91600000578-986_468x449.jpg[/url] Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Scot Munroe on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 20:56:26 my mate at work is not happy about this. means he has to play against united on sunday.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: adje on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 20:59:47 He gets away with it because he's England captain-just like Shearer used to.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Tails on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:01:38 I'd be pissed off if our player was sent off for that in all fairness... A booking would have sufficed.
Bit harsh to demote the ref though, not like it had much of an impact of the game itself. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:04:09 Terry is such a cock.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:09:06 I'd be pissed off if our player was sent off for that in all fairness... A booking would have sufficed. Bit harsh to demote the ref though, not like it had much of an impact of the game itself. It's the latter point which has bugged me the most... I assume it's procedure after appeal? Will more players try and drag players down from now on because Terry got away with it? Who knows. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: michael on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:14:47 Ref had an absolute howler and in other circumstances could have cost Chelsea the game.
Terry only got away with it because 1) The ref gave him a red instead of the correct yellow card, and 2) Chelsea were good enough to win anyway. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Tails on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:15:24 It's the latter point which has bugged me the most... I assume it's procedure after appeal? Will more players try and drag players down from now on because Terry got away with it? Who knows. Probably not, they'll still get booked. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:22:02 Ref had an absolute howler and in other circumstances could have cost Chelsea the game. Terry only got away with it because 1) The ref gave him a red instead of the correct yellow card, and 2) Chelsea were good enough to win anyway. Halsey wasn't that bad... was he? I watched it but I can't remember, all these games fuse together. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: michael on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:24:52 I meant for that particular decision!
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:27:10 I meant for that particular decision! Ah right... Meh if you said that the ref was rubbish all game I'd have believed you! Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 21:56:58 ... I agree that he wasn't the last man and Chelsea have won their appeal... But what gets me is that Terry has clearly dragged Jo down to the ground, it's not violent but it's a professional foul surely? To demote Halsey 3 divisions for this, I believe, is unfair on the ref. A professional foul isn't an instant red card though, its only if you're the last man. A professional foul can also include a block in the middle of the pitch, for example when Simunic took out Walcott last week. He did it to give the rest of the team time to get back and reorganise. And possibly to rough Walcott up a bit![url width=468 height=449]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/16/article-0-02A4D91600000578-986_468x449.jpg[/url] Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 22:06:43 If you deny a clear goalscoring opportunity that is a sending off, it doesn't matter if you're the last man or not.
City had a 2 on 1 situation. You could argue that Jo would have squared the ball and there was a free man. In other words, goal scoring opportunity. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 22:11:15 But equally he could have fluffed the pass straight to the other defender.
Any element of doubt = not a clear goalscoring opportunity. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: glos_robin on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 22:21:12 If you deny a clear goalscoring opportunity that is a sending off, it doesn't matter if you're the last man or not. Didn't Halsey put the sending off down in his report as serious foul play rather than a professional foul. I think his reasoning has fucked him over rather than anything I think if he had said it was for a professional foul he might of not got the demotion. City had a 2 on 1 situation. You could argue that Jo would have squared the ball and there was a free man. In other words, goal scoring opportunity. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 22:30:59 I've decided it doesn't matter anyway. Terry got the red for being a cunt.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 06:51:25 Sir Alex is not a happy bunny over this - says if it ws a Manure player the decision would not have been overturned. Difference is that if it had have been a Utd player he wouldn't have been sent off in the first place!
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 07:02:20 Sir Alex is not a happy bunny over this - says if it ws a Manure player the decision would not have been overturned. Difference is that if it had have been a Utd player he wouldn't have been sent off in the first place! Well Ferguson can STFU, Vidic should have been sent off for hauling down Keane. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 08:30:51 Clearly a yellow card offence, due to Carlvalho covering. The ref was wrong.
And I hate Chelsea Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 08:53:34 Carvalho was covering, but i think the Red should have stood just because John Terry is a cheating cunt. It's football John, not rugby.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 08:55:05 This is only a big deal because of who it was. Giving defenders red cards for challenges like that when they are not the last man is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 09:02:50 As it stands it was a yellow card offence due to Carvalho tracking back.....however Terrys intent was to stop him from going through on goal defender or not.....so IMO if there is clear cynical intent then he should get red.
Fergusun can go and get fucked! Just ask the red faced bloated jock how many pens have been given at Old Trafford since the Premier started........it is embarrasing. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 09:14:24 So should like likes of Makalele or Masherano be sent off for cynically pulling back or tripping someone in midfield?
Both are masters of comitting cynical fouls and taking bookings "for the team" Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: DV on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 12:23:25 I think a red was a right decision.
I could under stand the calls for a yellow if it was a mis timed tackle or something, or a tackle where he hasnt got the ball....but its not even a football tackle. He's put his arms around him and dragged him to the floor and made 0 attempt to get the ball and has purely taken the man, cheat! Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 12:31:22 but it happens all the time! does that make shirt pulling a red card offence?
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Tails on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 12:32:42 Only for John Terry.
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Lumps on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 12:54:04 Law 12 of the game now makes no mention of the "professional foul" instead it talks about "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity" so Mr Terry's intent when committing the offence is irrelevent, as with covering defenders that far from goal it clearly wasn't such an opportunity.
The ref got it wrong and i should have been a yellow. And Fergie can shut it. I hope the FA give him a right going over for what he's said. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: janaage on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 12:56:15 I hope they don't I've had enough of the FA involving themselves in every little thing. Moyes' sending off last weekend was a joke, yet the FA instead of dismissing it are looking into events. Crazy, even the ref has asked they go easy on him due to it all being down to his big mistake ref the penalty,
Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 14:05:31 I think a red was a right decision. on that basis we would have sending offs for shoulder barges as they are also intentionalI could under stand the calls for a yellow if it was a mis timed tackle or something, or a tackle where he hasnt got the ball....but its not even a football tackle. He's put his arms around him and dragged him to the floor and made 0 attempt to get the ball and has purely taken the man, cheat! Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: michael on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 18:32:37 Judging by the comments on here some of you lot would have it as a non-contact sport!
Great big jessies. Title: Re: The Terry sending-off... Post by: Rich Pullen on Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 18:39:58 Judging by the comments on here some of you lot would have it as a non-contact sport! Great big jessies. My original post was more about my sympathy for the ref (whether right or wrong)... I'm not bothered by nasty tackles etc. Terry made no effort whatsoever to get the ball and dragged him down like a semi-pro rugby player = not being apart of football (as Halsey said). Halsey will be officiating Chester vs. Shrewsbury on Saturday. |