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Title: King Kev
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:21:41
What a shambles... Kevin Keegan is meeting with Mike Ashley this evening according to Sky Sports and is now joint favourite to be the next Newcastle manager WTF  :D


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:26:05
its all very andy king


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:27:31
With all the protests planned tomorrow it's very good timing isn't it ;)

Kevin Keegan would be a numpty for going back, me thinks it's all talk... This is Newcastle's spotlight moment this season - it'll secure them a bit more coverage if nothing else.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:29:15
Maybe Wise has resigned or something.

It's a bit of a circus show at Newcastle isn't it!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: billy the fish on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:33:02
Maybe Wise has resigned or something.

It's a bit of a circus show at Newcastle isn't it!
that would be a wise thing to do


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:34:44
that would be a wise thing to do

You're no Neville on the pun front :)


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:35:14
Maybe Wise has resigned or something.

It's a bit of a circus show at Newcastle isn't it!

Certainly is, if Mike Ashley thinks this'll up his stock then he's mistaken... There has been billboards on trucks driving around the city with "Bring back King Kev" - the guy just can't do anything wrong.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:35:31
I guess Ashley knows the only way he will be safe is to get keegan back.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:42:10
I guess Ashley knows the only way he will be safe is to get keegan back.

Which it won't. He needs to sell up to be honest.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Friday, September 12, 2008, 19:54:18
Which it won't. He needs to sell up to be honest.

I mean in terms of a stay of execution... gives him time to sort things out.... not much but a bit more tollerance. I heard BEST holdings are available! :)


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, September 12, 2008, 20:00:10
Joke club.. Ashley has shown weakness doing this.when the season is over and they have another mediocre finish keegan will have the perfect excuse. Guarantee you wise is going to west ham


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Friday, September 12, 2008, 21:40:13
Apparently there is no way back for "king kev"


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, September 12, 2008, 21:42:24
Apparently there is no way back for "king kev"

Has this just been announced? Or is it all speculation - not that I'm hugely bothered.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, September 12, 2008, 21:46:05
Yeah SS News Keegan said it.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Friday, September 12, 2008, 21:47:31
Has this just been announced? Or is it all speculation - not that I'm hugely bothered.

Apparently Ashley has left and refused to talk to the media whilst Keegan may have left through a back door. LINKAGE ....

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/viewfromthetop-6176.html?LMAS=48e5f17dcbdf3c6647c099e3916fcc47


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 16:56:07
Now That's What I Call a Statement 2008

Mike Ashley

Quote
I have enjoyed sport since I was a boy. I love football. I have followed England in every tournament since Mexico '86. I was there to see Maradona and his hand of God. I know what it means to love football and to love a club. I know how important it is to other people because football is so important to me.

My life has been tied up with sport. It was the passion that I felt for sport that helped me to be successful with my business. That success allowed me to mix my passion and my business.

I bought Newcastle United in May 2007. Newcastle attracted me because everyone in England knows that it has the best fans in football. When the fans are behind the club at St James' Park it makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. It is magic. Newcastle's best asset has been, is and always will be the fans.

But like any business with assets the club has debts. I paid £134 million out of my own pocket for the club. I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it.

The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees. I shall be paying out many more millions over the coming year to pay for players bought by the club before I arrived. But there was a double whammy. Commercial deals such as sponsorships and advertising had been front loaded. The money had been paid upfront and spent. I was left with a club that owed millions and part of whose future had been mortgaged.

Unless I had come into the club then it might not have survived. It could have shared the fate of other clubs who have borrowed too heavily against their future. Before I had spent a penny on wages or buying players Newcastle United had cost me more than a quarter of a billion pounds.

Don't get me wrong. I did not buy Newcastle to make money. I bought Newcastle because I love football. Newcastle does not generate the income of a Manchester United or a Real Madrid. I am Mike Ashley, not Mike Ashley a multi-billionaire with unlimited resources. Newcastle United and I can't do what other clubs can. We can't afford it.

I knew that the club would cost me money every year after I had bought it. I have backed the club with money. You can see that from the fact that Newcastle has the fifth highest wage bill in the Premier League. I was always prepared to bank roll Newcastle up to the tune of £20 million per year but no more. That was my bargain. I would make the club solvent. I would make it a going concern.

I would pour up to £20 million a year into the club and not expect anything back. It has to be realised that if I put £100 million into the club year in year out then it would not be too long before I was cleaned out and a debt ridden Newcastle United would find itself in the position that faced Leeds United.

That is the nightmare for every fan. To love a club that overextends itself, that tries to spend what it can't afford.

That will never happen to Newcastle when I am in charge. The truth is that Newcastle could not sustain buying the Shevchenkos, Robinhos or the Berbatovs. These are recognised European footballers. They have played in the European leagues and everyone knows about them. They can be brilliant signings. But everybody knows that they are brilliant and so they, and players like them, cost more than £30 million to buy before you even take into account agent commissions and the multi-million pound wage deals.

My plan and my strategy for Newcastle is different. It has to be. Arsenal is the shining example in England of a sustainable business model. It takes time. It can't be done overnight. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We try and stay ahead of the competition. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don't cost the earth.

I am prepared to back large signings for millions of pounds but for a player who is young and has their career in front of them and not for established players at the other end of their careers. There is no other workable way forward for Newcastle. It is in this regard that Dennis and his team have done a first class job in scouting for talent to secure the future of the club.

You only need to look at some of our signings to see that it is working, slowly working. Look at Jonas Guttierrez and Fabricio Collocini. These are world class players. The plan is showing dividends with the signing of exceptional young talent such as Sebastein Bassong, Danny Guthrie and Xisco. My investment in the club has extended to time, effort and yet again, money being poured into the Academy.

I want Newcastle to be able to create its own legends of the future to rival those of the past. This is a long term plan. A long term plan for the future of the club so that it can flourish.

One person alone can't manage a Premiership football club and scout the world looking for world class players and stars of the future. It needs a structure and it needs people who are dedicated to that task. It needs all members of the management team to share that vision for it to work.

Also one of the reasons that the club was so in debt when I took over was due to transfer dealings caused by managers moving in and out of the club. Every time there was a change in manager millions would be spent on new players and millions would be lost as players were sold. It can't keep on working like that. It is just madness.

I have put Newcastle on a sound financial footing. It is reducing its debt. It is spending within itself. It is recruiting exciting new players and bringing in players for the future.

The fans want this process to happen more quickly and they want huge amounts spent in the transfer market so that the club can compete at the top table of European football now. I am not stupid and have listened to the fans. I have really loved taking my kids to the games, being next to them and all the fans. But I am now a dad who can't take his kids to a football game on a Saturday because I am advised that we would be assaulted. Therefore, I am no longer prepared to subsidise Newcastle United.

I am putting the club up for sale. I hope that the fans get what they want and that the next owner is someone who can lavish the amount of money on the club that the fans want.

This will not be a fire sale. Newcastle is now in a much stronger position than it was in 2007. It is planning for the future and it is sustainable.

I am still a fan of Newcastle United. We, my kids and I, have loved standing on the terraces with the fans, we have loved travelling with the away fans and we have met so many fans whose company we have enjoyed. We have absolutely loved it but it is not safe anymore for us as a family.

I am very conscious of the responsibility that I bear in owning Newcastle United. Tough decisions have to be made in business and I will not shy away from doing what I consider to be in the best interests of the club. This is not fantasy football.

I don't want anyone to read my words and think that any of this is an attack on Kevin Keegan. It is not. Kevin and I always got on. Everyone at the club, and I mean everyone, thinks that he has few equals in getting the best out of the players. He is a legend at the club and rightly so. Clearly there are disagreements between Kevin and the Board and we have both put that in the hands of our lawyers.

I hope that all the fans get to read this statement so that they understand what I am about. I would not expect all of the fans to agree with me. But I have set out, clearly, my plan. If I can't sell the club to someone who will give the fans what they want then I shall continue to ensure that Newcastle is run on a business and football model that is sustainable. I care too much about the club merely to abandon it.

I have the interests of Newcastle United at heart. I have listened to you. You want me out. That is what I am now trying to do but it won't happen overnight and it may not happen at all if a buyer does not come in.

You don't need to demonstrate against me again because I have got the message. Any further action will only have an adverse effect on the team. As fans of Newcastle United you need to spend your energy getting behind, not me, but the players who need your support.

I am determined that Newcastle United is not only here today, but that it is also there tomorrow for your children who stand beside you at St James' Park.

Mike Ashley.
Sunday 14th September 2008


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Luci on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:00:08
Bloody hell, thats a statement and a half!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:02:02
anyone got the cliffsnotes?


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:03:05
Poor Mike.

Shit protests as well, the crowd was 50k+ again!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:04:30
Poor Mike.

Shit protests as well, the crowd was 50k+ again!

The protests outside were impressive... They still want to support the team and judging from some of the quotes in that press release... it worked.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:07:44
I thought there was talk of boycotting the game?


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:13:12
I thought there was talk of boycotting the game?

You know what people are like... "that's it, I'm never going again" but they two weeks to organise a protest which was effective. The media were slagging off their fans for not getting behind the team despite turning up.

I think I'm going to a Carling Cup game in a week or so's time... I was hoping they'd drop the prices for the competition, I think they have... barely though.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:16:24
How much is a ticket up there?

If what is said in that press release is true (transfer fees not paid, mortgages against future season ticket sales etc) then Newcastle are in a huge mess!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:22:36
Cheapest ticket for Blackburn in the league is £35 and that's the last row in the Milburn, a very big stand!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Luci on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:24:39
There are some tickets for 30 quid to see Newcastle.

At least with Ashley, he was Newcastle fan.  It worries me to think that more of these oil merchants and the like will come in and turn the Premiership into a joke financially.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:27:02
Thats the managers seat luci


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Luci on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:27:34
Thats the managers seat luci

:D


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:28:14
I think it depends how big the game is... I think I can get to the CC game for £20/25.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Luci on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:29:11
I had a look Rich and tickets seemed about 20 quid for that one.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: pauld on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:37:00
It worries me to think that more of these oil merchants and the like will come in and turn the Premiership into a joke financially.
Turn it into a joke? It already is a joke as a League competition. If Ashley's looking to sell, Billy Smart would seem the ideal new owner for the Toon circus. He could replace Wise with Bobo the director of football


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Luci on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:38:26
Haha ok thats fair enough it already is but I meant even more of a joke  :-[


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:39:33
I had a look Rich and tickets seemed about 20 quid for that one.

Yeah, I've had a looksy too. I've only gone to SJP once since moving here... I've been to Sunderland a couple more because it's cheaper. I prefer Non-League game up here though.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:39:58
At least with Ashley, he was Newcastle fan.  It worries me to think that more of these oil merchants and the like will come in and turn the Premiership into a joke financially.

He is/was a Chelsea fan.

Couldnt get more of a joke than NUFC. Complete joke.

As for all the arabs and stuff, it wont last.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: JPC82 on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:41:18
i thought Ashley was a Tottenham fan???


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:42:16
These Arabs who have taken over Man City... rather than spend, what, £200million on buying the club and then £500m on filling the team full of superstars, wouldn't it have been cheaper to just go and buy Man United?!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:44:58
i thought Ashley was a Tottenham fan???

Yeah, I was pretty sure Ashley wasn't a Toon fan.

The issue is clearly the board that includes Dennis Wise.

In a nutshell it was always going to end in tears with that structure at NUFC.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:46:50
It's not so much the structure, but the personnel. What record has Wise got when it comes to getting players in, beyond giving all his mates jobs? He seems more of a manager-in-waiting than a director of football or whatever they ended up calling him.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:47:59
It's not so much the structure, but the personnel. What record has Wise got when it comes to getting players in, beyond giving all his mates jobs? He seems more of a manager-in-waiting than a director of football or whatever they ended up calling him.

Fair enough. Dennis Wise would be in charge by now if he wanted it... Good lordy it would go mental if he took control!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: JPC82 on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:48:27
Mike Ashley said the policy at the club is to buy good young players on the cheap, turn them into great players and sell them for big profit, basically what Wenger did with Anelka etc. So Dennis Wise sells Milner who is their best young player and Keegan says he wants to sign Beckham Henry and Lampard :)


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: JPC82 on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:49:22
Fair enough. Dennis Wise would be in charge by now if he wanted it... Good lordy it would go mental if he took control!

Dennis Wise soon left Leeds when he realised Poyet was the key to his coaching and tactics


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:51:34
They paid £4m for Milner and sold him for £12m. Good bit of business there really.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: JPC82 on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:02:54
They paid £4m for Milner and sold him for £12m. Good bit of business there really.

not for someone who hasnt hit his best yet, he will be in the england squad before christmas


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: michael on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:07:17
You think so? I thought £12m was way too much for him!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:14:11
Any player who cant get in your team, and you can sell for £12million has to be good business!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: JPC82 on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:14:44
Milner couldnt get in the Newcastle team??????????


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: DV on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:20:17
Newcastle fans seem to either love him or hate him!

Either way, he seemed a first team regular and do well for them. They havent replaced him and clearly the manager didnt want rid!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:26:28
Now Ashley's putting the club up for sale... who in their right mind would want to join a club that could potentially let him go when the new owners take over?


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: larwood on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 19:13:29
You can never trust a chairman/owner who wears the shirt and sits with the fans.Its just doesn't look right.I knew Ashley was full of shit.

If it wasn't for the fact that Newcastle fans seem to think they have a right to win things just because they wear replica shirts all the time i'd have a bit of sympathy for them.But frankly i feel a hell of a lot more for the poor sods following Luton,Bournemouth and Rotherham.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 19:22:35
If it wasn't for the fact that Newcastle fans seem to think they have a right to win things just because they wear replica shirts all the time i'd have a bit of sympathy for them.

I disagree. Newcastle fans that I've accounted are no different to us. Every club has their pie-in-the-sky fans but the overwhelming majority aren't as arrogant as so many people say they are. They just want answers and for the club that they love to stop being a laughing stock. Which is what they are.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: leefer on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 20:30:53
Apparently Rich they are getting a giant Terrapin as manager because as they say in a geordie accent...its a turtle mess!.....sorry.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 20:33:51
Apparently Rich they are getting a giant Terrapin as manager because as they say in a geordie accent...its a turtle mess!.....sorry.

Oh dear :D

Sir Bobby Robson says it has to be a world class Geordie... Hmmm. Is poor ol' Bobby offering his services for whatever time he has left?


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: leefer on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 20:39:21
If they can get a good buyer i think its odds on that Shearer will end up there....will the Indian guy be back to have a look?


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Bushey Boy on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 20:50:04
Would you buy now or wait a few weeks with less points and the fans going even more mental and then buy it at a knock down price?!


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: leefer on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 20:52:23
Good point...but if you wait someone else could nip in,the arabs had them and Arsenal on there list ahead of Man City.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: janaage on Monday, September 15, 2008, 06:38:05
Shearer won't go there, he's got too much to lose and is happy doing the MOTD stuff.  Just can't see him risking his legendary status by taking over there and it all potentially going wrong.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: herthab on Monday, September 15, 2008, 07:12:40
Shearer won't go there, he's got too much to lose and is happy doing the MOTD stuff.  Just can't see him risking his legendary status by taking over there and it all potentially going wrong.

Agreed. I just wish he'd make a statement to that effect, instead of teasing the poor bastards all the time.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Tails on Monday, September 15, 2008, 07:57:05
King Kevin is such a legend there isn't he... Walked out on them three times, what a hero! The problem is the fans, they expect too much. Ashleys been honourable and honest with them from the start, he told Keegan how the club would work, Keegan accepted and then buggered off because he couldn't get his way. Ashley's invested about £200M just to REDUCE the debt there, and always listened to what the fans had to say. Even now, he's doing what the fans want! They are making a big mistake forcing him out, I guarantee it.


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 15, 2008, 11:19:20
haha did anyone see the 'dennis wise wobbly eyes out' banner


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: adje on Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:22:51
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King Kevin is such a legend there isn't he... Walked out on them three times, what a hero! The problem is the fans, they expect too much. Ashleys been honourable and honest with them from the start, he told Keegan how the club would work, Keegan accepted and then buggered off because he couldn't get his way. Ashley's invested about £200M just to REDUCE the debt there, and always listened to what the fans had to say. Even now, he's doing what the fans want! They are making a big mistake forcing him out, I guarantee it.

If I was a Newcastle fan,he'd be the last bloke I'd want as manager-he fucked up the only chance they'll ever have of winning the league.I suppose if I was a newcastle fan I'd like Shearer to be manager,but as I'm not I think the bloke's a cunt


Title: Re: King Kev
Post by: leefer on Monday, September 15, 2008, 14:47:09
Believe me,if the big boys take over and money is no object.....Shearer will be there,money talks,you cant tell me hes on mega bucks with the Beeb,plus hes got nowt to lose......they cant go any lower!