Title: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 08:17:49 I don't usually read this, suprisingly I'm a Telegraph man, but my Gym gives them away free at reception and I picked one up this morning. Flicking through on my way back to the car, I find a whole load of pictures of our squad on the training field.
When I look a bit more closely it turns out to be another big PR advantage of the 442 deal. 3 whole pages of the "Extra" section dedicated to the exploits of the 442 journo who went on the pre-season tour with the squad. I don't know whether it's a straight re-orint of the 442 article, but a nice bit of publicity anyway. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, August 15, 2008, 08:39:51 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/a-shot-at-stardom-a-sunday-league-stalwart-takes-on-europes-finest-897376.html
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: sonic youth on Friday, August 15, 2008, 09:09:45 it is indeed the same article that was in FFT
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Colin Todd on Friday, August 15, 2008, 09:11:18 Lumps reads the Telegraph? Is that the new nickname for the socialist worker? ;)
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 09:31:32 Lumps reads the Telegraph? Is that the new nickname for the socialist worker? ;) Wash your mouth out! You wouldn't catch me reading that ultra-left rag. State Communism my arse! Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 15, 2008, 10:11:39 I think Lumps works for MI5...probably based at GCHQ, seditious website branch.
Being a trot who reads the Torygraph....classic disinformation diversionary tactic. I started to have my doubts after the no show of the fledgling thrush photos. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 10:44:28 I think Lumps works for MI5...probably based at GCHQ, seditious website branch. Being a trot who reads the Torygraph....classic disinformation diversionary tactic. I started to have my doubts after the no show of the fledgling thrush photos. I was hoping people had forgotten about the poor little thrushes. Sadly they never made it. I came home one night and one was dead on the drive. When I checked the nest there was one dead in there and the other was missing. They weren't anywhere near big enough to be fledged so my guess is a fucking magpie got them. Mum and Dad never came back. :cry: As for my choice of reading material; what choice is there? The Times is out of the question because of the Murdoch thing, The Guardian is insufferable with it's whinging liberal handwringing. The Independent is just shit. The Torygraph is the only contender in the quality newspaper category. And it's still and proper broadsheet, and it's got a good cryptic crossword. Most importantly though, a bit like with the Financial Times, the news, analysis and opinion pieces are nice and clear in the Telegraph. It's written from the perspective of the capitalist class, but at least you know where they stand. Better that than having to read something by the likes of David Aaronovitch, a pretend lefty who's actually one of the most vicious reactionary journalists working in the media today. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 15, 2008, 11:22:42 I was hoping people had forgotten about the poor little thrushes. Sadly they never made it. I came home one night and one was dead on the drive. When I checked the nest there was one dead in there and the other was missing. They weren't anywhere near big enough to be fledged so my guess is a fucking magpie got them. Mum and Dad never came back. :cry: As for my choice of reading material; what choice is there? The Times is out of the question because of the Murdoch thing, The Guardian is insufferable with it's whinging liberal handwringing. The Independent is just shit. The Torygraph is the only contender in the quality newspaper category. And it's still and proper broadsheet, and it's got a good cryptic crossword. Most importantly though, a bit like with the Financial Times, the news, analysis and opinion pieces are nice and clear in the Telegraph. It's written from the perspective of the capitalist class, but at least you know where they stand. Better that than having to read something by the likes of David Aaronovitch, a pretend lefty who's actually one of the most vicious reactionary journalists working in the media today. You forgot about the Sun, careless!! Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: nevillew on Friday, August 15, 2008, 11:23:04 I'm with you on this one Lumps, probably the best sports coverage as well (except for League 1 footy)
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 11:47:52 I'm with Lumps. The Telegraph has bias like any paper but it's clear about its bias and at least covers the facts of stories well so that you can disentangle the "angle" from the news. It's foreign coverage is excellent, as is the sports coverage. And where would I be without those indispensable reader offers "Mahogany child storage unit - no more untidy Filipino boy slaves cluttering up the place when not in use, only 59.99"?
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 15, 2008, 11:52:25 What self respecting trot...owns a drive? Bourgeois revisionist lapdog.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:02:08 What self respecting trot...owns a drive? Bourgeois revisionist lapdog. I can't help it, it came with my nice five bedroomed Edwardian house. It's a shared drive if that makes it any better? Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:07:15 I'm with Lumps. The Telegraph has bias like any paper but it's clear about its bias and at least covers the facts of stories well so that you can disentangle the "angle" from the news. It's foreign coverage is excellent, as is the sports coverage. And where would I be without those indispensable reader offers "Mahogany child storage unit - no more untidy Filipino boy slaves cluttering up the place when not in use, only 59.99"? I'm particularly fond of the little "Telegraph Offers" catelogue that sometimes falls out of the Sunday paper. I can't think of anything that I would actually buy out of it, but I find it somehow reassuring. On the subject of old Trots with unlikely affections for the slightly fogieish side of English life, did anyone hear Mark Steele on TMS the other week. Class. Aggers seemed to warm to him whilst at the same time being ever so slightly bemused by his presence. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ardiles on Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:13:33 I have a lot of time for Mark Steele. His brand of patriotic socialism - which confuses the hell out of a lot of people ('You're a socialist...don't you hate everything?') - is not that different to Billy Bragg's. And I've got a lot of time for him as well.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:28:04 I have a lot of time for Mark Steele. His brand of patriotic socialism - which confuses the hell out of a lot of people ('You're a socialist...don't you hate everything?') - is not that different to Billy Bragg's. And I've got a lot of time for him as well. He's funny and his heart's in the right place, even if his head is a bit confused due to him having spent so long in the SWP and therefore not really ever getting to understand some of the fundamental ideas of Marxist-Leninism. As I said before "State-Capitalism" I ask you. He's also a good mate of Swindon boy and a former school friend Mark Jones / Lamarr, so he's obviously also a fairly understanding a tolerant sort of bloke. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Colin Todd on Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:31:37 Shaun Wright Phillips? :o
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 13:15:20 I have a lot of time for Mark Steele. His brand of patriotic socialism - which confuses the hell out of a lot of people ('You're a socialist...don't you hate everything?') - is not that different to Billy Bragg's. And I've got a lot of time for him as well. I'd stab Bragg in the eyeballs if I ever met that fucking prick. Stelle would get it too. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 15, 2008, 13:19:40 Lumps, furiously adds threats of homicide to MI5 TEF file on far right infiltrators.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 13:24:22 I'd stab Bragg in the eyeballs if I ever met that fucking prick. Stelle would get it too. He's playing some dates at the moment so that shouldn't be too difficult to arrange .............. if you weren't just an armchair race warrior that is. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:00:56 He's playing some dates at the moment so that shouldn't be too difficult to arrange .............. if you weren't just an armchair race warrior that is. I though you'd been deported back to Wales Lumpy? When was the last time you can recall me mentioning anything to do with politics Lumps? Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:01:47 I'd stab Bragg in the eyeballs if I ever met that fucking prick. Stelle would get it too. You'll have to spell him right first, knuckledragger. And could you make it clear whether you're threatening to stab him or offering to shag him?Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:10:30 You'll have to spell him right first, knuckledragger. And could you make it clear whether you're threatening to stab him or offering to shag him? I forgot this forum was full of bitter and twisted morons... Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:12:54 I though you'd been deported back to Wales Lumpy? When was the last time you can recall me mentioning anything to do with politics Lumps? Erm..... let me think..... now didn't you just threaten to stab a couple of well known left wing celebrities? That's a political stance isn't it or is it just a coincidence that you REALLY dislike english folky bloke rock and insightful, observational and satirical comedy? Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:13:52 I forgot this forum was full of bitter and twisted morons... Says the stabbing nazi Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:20:34 I forgot this forum was full of bitter and twisted morons... Pot, kettle, there ain't no black .... wasn't it you a few months back who was trying to persuade us all the BNP weren't a bunch of violent psychopathic criminals? Of course, that was before your Swindon SpokesApe was sent down for firebombing a mosque.Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:21:28 Erm..... let me think..... now didn't you just threaten to stab a couple of well known left wing celebrities? That's a political stance isn't it or is it just a coincidence that you REALLY dislike english folky bloke rock and insightful, observational and satirical comedy? I've never liked Bragg, ever. The comment was kind of an off the cuff comment. I really do hate the man. Sorry if that offend you but tough shit. I came in peace, I get attacked by couple of well known lefties, sad stuff really... Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:25:54 :yawn: Sorry bored now bye
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:28:21 Bourgeois revisionist lapdog. You can order those from the Telegraph offers catalogue as well. In a choice of Teal or Classic Navy.Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:29:57 You can order those from the Telegraph offers catalogue as well. In a choice of Teal or Classic Navy. Oooh I like a good cuddly toy....disappointed Fred didn't bring back a stuffed manatee :( Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:37:57 Pot, kettle, there ain't no black .... wasn't it you a few months back who was trying to persuade us all the BNP weren't a bunch of violent psychopathic criminals? Of course, that was before your Swindon SpokesApe was sent down for firebombing a mosque. A few years ago and yes I'd I still vote for them at every opportunity. Billy Bragg is on record as saying that its okay to perform acts of violence on people who are the opposite end of the political spectrum to him (extreme left) I guess you agree with him do you Pauline? Double standards one rule for and one for everyone else hey Pauline? Typical of the left eh? You're a complete prick, your mate Lumpy is too, although I actually enjoy some of his posts because because he's obviously an intelligent bloke and tries to put forward a reasoned arguement unlike yourself who just comes across as a little princess. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:44:22 You can order those from the Telegraph offers catalogue as well. In a choice of Teal or Classic Navy. Everything in that catalogue is mahogany veneer for furniture, Stone or Navy for more formal menswear, Teal, Sage or Beige for all items of casual clothing, as worn by the NT teashop invading hordes of pensioners every bloody weekend. (They're like a plague of bloody sage and beige locust stripping the cake stands bare the bastards). Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:45:27 I hate Billy Bragg, but i don't know why. Meh.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 14:56:33 A few years ago and yes I'd I still vote for them at every opportunity. Oooh, get her. Toys all safely out of the pram now? By the way, hating Nazis doesn't make me a Lefty. Whereas supporting them does make you a cock.Billy Bragg is on record as saying that its okay to perform acts of violence on people who are the opposite end of the political spectrum to him (extreme left) I guess you agree with him do you Pauline? Double standards one rule for and one for everyone else hey Pauline? Typical of the left eh? You're a complete prick, your mate Lumpy is too, although I actually enjoy some of his posts because because he's obviously an intelligent bloke and tries to put forward a reasoned arguement unlike yourself who just comes across as a little princess. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:03:35 Oooh, get her. Toys all safely out of the pram now? By the way, hating Nazis doesn't make me a Lefty. Whereas supporting them does make you a cock. Yes Princess, whatever you say princess... Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Foggy on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:11:28 Yes Princess, whatever you say princess... Ironside, up to the point where you resort to childish name calling i actually think that you make some good posts. Try to rise above it old boy. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:23:41 Billy Bragg is on record as saying that its okay to perform acts of violence on people who are the opposite end of the political spectrum to him (extreme left) Billy Bragg extreme left? Give over! I guess you agree with him do you Pauline? I'd like to see this record. Got any quotes? It doesn't sound like Bragg to me. I always thought he was a bit of a wuss. If as I suspect he's simply said somewhere that he supports the rights of communities to defend themselves when your pals decide to go and burn out some asian shops then thats not quite the same as posting letter bombs and fire-bombing religious buildings is it? Me on the other hand....... Well just so we're clear my position is still that you're pal Griffin is a fascist, just because he's ditched the jackboots and wears a suit doesn't mean that's changed. Fascists have a fairly straightforward anti-democratic position. Starting from a philosophical position of twisted nietzschianism that counterposes democratic principles with the ideal of a strong autocratic leadership, fascist parties and leaders seek to install themselves in dictatorships and deny us all the benefits of democracy. As a result I've never been mad keen on the whole ".....but I defend with my life your right to say it" bollocks. If what you're saying and organising for is to deprive me of my political rights and freedoms, then I think you release me from any obligation in relation to respecting your political rights and freedoms. So if your meetings get broken up and your paper sellers get chased off the street then tough shit. Let's face it if you're in the BNP you either know the score as far as this stuff is concerned and your outrage about "violence" is a front or you're just incredibly thick and genuinely believe that the party is now the model of democratic respectability. So which is it? Are you a nazi or an idiot? You're a complete prick, your mate Lumpy is too, although I actually enjoy some of his posts because because he's obviously an intelligent bloke and tries to put forward a reasoned arguement unlike yourself who just comes across as a little princess. I knew you fancied me really. You try to hide it but I can see this neo nazi hardcase thing is just a pose. You're hiding your true feelings. Let it out. Be free. Put all this hateful self loathing behind you....... No? Ok suit yourself. Oh and by the way calling Paul Pauline, ....that's just hysterical...God you're funny.....who writes your material.. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Batch on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:25:30 A few years ago and yes I'd I still vote for them (BNP) at every opportunity. Ha ha from an innocent STFC article in The Independent to voting for racist bigots in 2 pages. That's pretty good going. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:32:12 Oh and by the way calling Paul Pauline, ....that's just hysterical...God you're funny.....who writes your material.. It was the Princess stuff that really hurt though. I'll probably cry myself to sleep tonight.Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:34:08 Ha ha from an innocent STFC article in The Independent to voting for racist bigots in 2 pages. That's pretty good going. There's no thread that Ironside and I both post on that isn't in danger of going down this road. It's a six degrees of separation thing. There is no topic that he can't find a way of turning into an attack on the political left / trade unions / ethnic minorities / muslims / insert other target, and I can't stop myself from responding. Maybe we should have a competition. Post a topic, and see in how many posts we can turn it into a racist / anti racist rant. You'd have to maintain a logical flow of argument (or at least relevance to the previous posts) to avoid them turning into: What's your favourite biscuits? You're a Nazi! Fuck off you tree-hugging lefty shit! Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:34:29 Lumps, fuck off, look it up on t'internet and you'll find the quotes from Bragg.
I can't be arsed with the rest except to say I'm about as hysterical at the moment and you and your girlfriend Princess Pauline are. :cry: Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Batch on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:37:12 What's your favourite biscuits? It's surprising how many biscuits are named after revolutionaries. You've got your Garibaldi of course, your Bourbon, and then you've got your Peak Freans Trotsky Assortment. Revolutionary biscuits of Italy, Rise up out of your box! You've got nothing to lose but your wafers, YUM YUM YUM YUM YUM Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:41:14 It's surprising how many biscuits are named after revolutionaries. You've got your Garibaldi of course, your Bourbon, and then you've got your Peak Freans Trotsky Assortment. Revolutionary biscuits of Italy, Rise up out of your box! You've got nothing to lose but your wafers, YUM YUM YUM YUM YUM Shit to revolutionary politics in one move. That's pretty fucking impressive! And a classic Alexei moment thrown in for good measure. Damned good work sir! Your turn to set the topic. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: herthab on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:41:52 I find both Ironside and Lumps tedious..............
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:44:23 I dont usually find this thing amusing but anyone else think it would be funny and ironic if ironside was raped by a yardie
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: pauld on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:44:50 There's no thread that Ironside and I both post on that isn't in danger of going down this road. It's a six degrees of separation thing. There is no topic that he can't find a way of turning into an attack on the political left / trade unions / ethnic minorities / muslims / insert other target, and I can't stop myself from responding. Or we could have a sweep-stake to see how many posts Ironside can make in a single thread before having a tantrum and heading straight for the playground? (Hopefully not in the same sense as "party of law and order" BNP candidate Rod Rowley who got 15 months for kiddie porn a couple of years back)Maybe we should have a competition. Post a topic, and see in how many posts we can turn it into a racist / anti racist rant. You'd have to maintain a logical flow of argument (or at least relevance to the previous posts) to avoid them turning into: What's your favourite biscuits? You're a Nazi! Fuck off you tree-hugging lefty shit! Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:48:35 There's no thread that Ironside and I both post on that isn't in danger of going down this road. It's a six degrees of separation thing. There is no topic that he can't find a way of turning into an attack on the political left / trade unions / ethnic minorities / muslims / insert other target, and I can't stop myself from responding. Maybe we should have a competition. Post a topic, and see in how many posts we can turn it into a racist / anti racist rant. You'd have to maintain a logical flow of argument (or at least relevance to the previous posts) to avoid them turning into: What's your favourite biscuits? You're a Nazi! Fuck off you tree-hugging lefty shit! That's a good point. We just wind each other up, even though I try to avoid it. I had a go at Billy Bragg originally, Princes Pauline started with all the "Nazi" name calling... Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:50:16 I find both Ironside and Lumps tedious.............. Sorry Herth.... we can't all be as entertaining as you.. :yay: Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: herthab on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:52:37 True.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, August 15, 2008, 15:53:23 no its not
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: herthab on Friday, August 15, 2008, 16:01:05 Yes it is.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: A Gent Orange on Friday, August 15, 2008, 16:44:07 Godwin's Law strikes again. Well almost.
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: tans on Friday, August 15, 2008, 18:10:25 I dont usually find this thing amusing but anyone else think it would be funny and ironic if ironside was raped by a yardie you just made me spit my pot noodle over my workstation you bastard! Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 15, 2008, 18:15:53 Godwin's Law strikes again. Well almost. Not really. I mean comparing neo-nazis to nazis is probably fair enough don't you think? Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 15, 2008, 23:08:42 This thread's far to serious, can we have some more bollocks please?
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Ironside on Saturday, August 16, 2008, 12:20:45 Not really. I mean comparing neo-nazis to nazis is probably fair enough don't you think? You really are a fucking prick... :baby: Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: will power on Saturday, August 16, 2008, 12:35:13 I could never understand working class right wing men - your ruling class masters regard you with contempt but a neccesary requirement as factory slaves and cannon fodder yet you act like their bitches - yet you hate anyone who dares to have a different ethnic background or political view - most puzzling.....
Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: Rich Pullen on Saturday, August 16, 2008, 13:03:29 Whenever (not just this thread) I read comments from Pro-BNP/BNP members they always seem to be on the back foot and almost always result in abusive but hilariously petty name calling.
Oh, and I'm looking forward to the next Town FourFourTwo article - hopefully it will be more about the club as opposed to one about the reporter... Not that I'm complaining, this STFC publicity is awesome. Title: Re: Today's Independent Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, August 16, 2008, 13:56:41 Boo I missed excitement.
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