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Following on from a discussion about the proposed GB football team in the Other Football thread, I thought it would be interesting to guage how people define their nationality. Especially with the amount of people claiming to be british and then moaning about having a Scot as Prime Minister.

Ace a poll.

Doesn't quite work though as I consider myself to be both English and British, which I am.

Yes, same with me, can you change the poll to show this?

Thanks awfully.

I've only seen the you scot monkeys bring up the Scottish Prime Minister thing. Don't bother me not bit.

I have absolutely no problem as seeing myself as both British and English, aswell as a few other things, which breaks down your poll a bit. I'd vote other but then that makes me look like I'm a dirty foreigner.

Ooooh. I'd also like to point that I put very little importance in where I happened to be born. Something else which your poll doesn't reflect.

In fact this is the problem with polls, very few discussions can be pigeon-holed in discreet options like this, especially something like your views on nationality. There's such a wide range of possible opinions that your poll options are completely arbitrary, my opinions on the subject are no more likely to be the same as someone who's voted the same as me than they are to someone who's voted differently, which makes the whole thing a bit pointless.

why isnt there a mexican option?

Becasue STA is a racist like all scots.

Always English for me... i have no ties to anywhere else in my immediate family

British By Birth... English By The Grace Of God.

English 100%

English mother, Scottish dad makes me Great British.  Now there's a shock eh??

My dad brought me up well, I support Scotland in national sporting events, and as such with england being the auld enemy I like to see them do awfully (which to be fair doesn't happen that often).  But when it does it's great!!

Alba gu brath!!

english first, british second, and a bit german when england go out of any major sporting events and the boxheads are still in. :P

Hun! :soapy tit wank:

Im not going to edit it as I dont think you can consider yourself equally British and English/Scottish/Jamaican so there. ner ner ner ner ner.

Basically what do you put down as nationality on application forms etc.

British. It's what I put on forms and stuff.

I'm no hun, but I can't change the nationality of my mum!!  I'm not a union jack waver though, or a gstq singer, puck that loyalist shite.  

Luckily my mum's got Irish blood in her, so that's where I get my Catholicism from!!  God save the Pope as Artur Borac would say (on his t-shirt).

  I always put English on forms.

:fishing: ;D

I always put English on my forms as that's the country I was born in. If someone wants to label me as British then that's fine, that I am.

I don't like Gordon Brown but he lives in this country so I think it's ok he runs it. My dislike is not due to his country of birth.

Apart from direct competition (e.g. football) I can't see why this national superiority debate takes place. If one country is better than the other then go and live there. I know you can't change the country you were born in, but is there a need to state over and over how it's the best? Quite frankly I couldn't give a shit if one place is better than the other, I was born and raised in England, I still live in England and it suits me fine.

People who moan about how shit Swindon is also get on my nerves. If it's so bad you can change where you live. Moaning doesn't get you out of the place, moving does.

Well said Si, absolutely spot on.  Weighing up all factors it's better for me to live down here at present, job, my family, my mrs family etc.

To be honest with you it's only as far as sport that I have this Scot v eng rivalry really.  That's the bit other people don;t understand.  The amount of times during a footie debate someone's said to me "if you don't like it down here fuck off back up there" etc (words to that effect), but in truth I don't dislike england as a country, it's a nice place to live.

Some people seem to be unable to note the difference between a sporting rivalry and a national hatred.

I'm with Ben on this. I'm Welsh but I was brought up in England. Other than me supporting Wales in Rugby and Football I don't think it's made any sodding difference to my life. Do I feel ties to over 2million people just because they happened to be born within a couple of hundred miles of where I was born, on one side of a line drawn in a fairly arbitary way on a map? Not really no.

Depends how you wer brought up though Lumps, each to their own and all that.  If you had a passionate welsh father (maybe you did) who you grew up admiring and respecting I don't see why people should have a problem with you following your father's heritage and supporting that country (well in your case principality).

Like I say each to their own, if I want to support Scotland I will, end off, you could hardly say I'm doing it for the glory!!

Manx and official resident of the British Isles.  Because we're so rare I do take pride in my identity although I would never call myself English it has been just as much of a home and a place I have a strong affinity for.

Just not the taxes.

Were you born over there Dazzza?  If so how come you're a townie?  (Apologies if you've covered this before)

British and English.  My wife is Scottish and British.  Our son is all three.

None of which, I think, is as relevant today as it used to be.  Nationalism as a concept seems increasingly outdated to me in the global society we live in (unless you're fighting wars or playing football matches.)

Hey believe me when it comes to sporting events I'm in no doubt of my national identity, I was nearly hospitalised as a result of that goal by San Marino. But sport is not life it's just a distraction from it.

I've just never bought into this whole concept of "loyalty" or whatever to people who happen to have been born or live near you.

There's about 60m people in Britain, most of whom I'm never likely to meet. I sort of resent being grouped together with those people and expected to show some sort of affiliation to them just because we happen to all live on this island. People talk about being proud to be British and I think "How the hell can you be proud of something you have no control over, and have done nothing to acheive. You were born, and by chance born here, wow go you, well done mate!"

Dickheads, of which there are many, will reply that Britain's a great country blah blah blah empire, two world wars, Shakespeare, Churchill, Brunel, etc, etc, as if they can in some way lay claim to the achievements of others just by geographical proximity of birth.

I personally won 2 world wars you welsh cunt. fuck off back to the valleys

Well I for one am glad to be English.

All other people talk funny and smell.

FACT.

I don't care whether i'm labeled British or English, I was born in England to a Welsh Father and a English Mother. I was named after a famous Welsh Rugbyist and my Mum's parents were French. If i had American in me, i could cover all areas for being full of shit blood.

I don't dislike Gordon Brown because he's a sweaty, i dislike him because he's got nothing within his personality (or lack of), which warms me or i find endearing. The measure of a person for me is whether or not you could imagine yourself sitting down for a beer with them and having a laugh. I think Brown would make you stab him or yourself.

I wonder if age has anything to do with it ? I was bought up with mates whose fathers were killed in the second world war. When you hated the germans, & were proud to be British/ English.
I still have that pride, but it has been eroded over the years by the politicians who have turned the country into a laughing stock in many areas. I've also realised that other countries do have there plus points too.
I do however have very srong feelings about those who choose to live here, but run the country down. I guess the best example is the british citizens who ended up in Guantamano bay. As far as I am concerned they should have been left there to rot or bought back & tried for treason. FFS, they were in  Afganistan shooting at out guys. They certainly weren't tourists.
As for Brown, he is the mainreason for the state this countries in. Brilliant Chancellor my arse, all he's done is tax & spend, mostly without any positive effect. His nationality has nothing to do with it, but if it weren't for the Scots votes he (Labour) would not be in power today.

Yeah, it's all Browns fault. Before him Blair, Major, Thatcher, Heath, Wilson, Chamberlain, etc, etc (I know I left some of the twats out)
You get the government you deserve and, because we are all spineless, quivering, apathetic examples of humanity we get the same sorry shit, time after time.............

I always put British on forms simply because that's what it says in my passport!

I don't have a problem with being called English and British. I do get annoyed with foreigners who don't know the difference though!  For example, I've just been in Russia and spent one week of the time there teaching English to students on a beach camp. I was annoyed because it was called 'British Camp'. That's probably just because I'm a pedant though, rather than a nationalist!

Hertha I always thought you were a kraut.  Serious.

As for the you get the govt you deserve I agree, we, as a nation (GB), are a bunch of moaning sit on our arse and complain cock-knockers.  We should protest more, be more passionate about the demise of this once great land.  If we're not happy about something let's let the authorities know about it, bit like the Francais do.

"Allons enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrivé..."

Also, the french have a good national anthem.

Not a kraut Jan. I was born in Berlin, where my dad was serving in the Royal Military Police.

Ah fair enough, genuine point wasn't trying to fish.

English....born in Southampton,but now a proud Swindonian,people who say Britain has no culture talk rubbish,i travel the country week in and week out and our country is amazingly diverse.For example we are only an hour away from the Welsh Valleys ware its a completly different world from ours,obviously the language and tradition.With the immagrants here now on the whole its for the good and i think its taken a long time to live in Harmony in fact its the diferent factions of our own people like Manx v Scouse,West Country folk v The Welsh that is still very real,the only real anti English ive come across are from people in Cornwall!!

British. Says so on my passport. I'm also English. and a bit scottish and a bit Irish. Generally I'm just me though.

I'll go along with that. We get what we deserve for sure on the whole, but the system is now skewed against the English. I think it is totally out of order that you can get a free further education if you are in Scotland, but not if you live in England. But we all pay the same taxes. Put another way Scotland gets the Scottish Parliamaent that it votes for, so does Wales. England gets the Parliament that Britain votes for.

I voted other 'cos I am a proud Wiltshireman, born and bred!!  Why no space for Moonrakers?  Other than that I always say I am English, not sure I am so proud of that after watching that debacle of a cricket match today!! :cry:

I'm a proud Brit.

I'm from Mars.

Like being English, but omnipotent.

I love all of you.

Seriously?!  I think it's as much a dirge as ours...especially the middle bit that drags on, and on, and on.  Best anthem by far is South Africa's.

I dunno, it doesn't sound anthemy enough to me, the whole thing seems a bit forced. The French one manages to keep some of the pomp whilst still being up and down with even a hint of bounce.

The Brazilian one has a nice tune, but it sounds like something there should be some sort of ice skating ballet dialogue free play / silent disney animation to or something.

Italian one is great too!!  And Ireland's.

Agree that a lot of anthems could do with a make over though.  Try this for the (rarely sung) 6th verse of God Save the Queen:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!

Marshal Wade was the soldier sent to sort out the Highlanders in the aftermath of the Jacobite Rising in 1715.  You can kind of understand why anyone Scottish might take offence.

The Scots go one better, though, with Flower of Scotland describing the events of the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314...in which they clobbered the English.  Notice a pattern?  (King Edward II never really recovered from this disgrace, and died some years later in a Gloucestershire castle with a red hot poker up his arse.)

why is it on every form you can be welsh scotiish, hindu, black, blue, jedi, a cunt, a rag head but you can never been english. I've tired crossing forms out and writting english but thy just get sent back.

That's not true is it GFM?  You never received a form with those options on have you?  Come on be honest.

 Maybe we don't fill out the same forms, but I always write English, and have never had one sent back for that reason.

 Personally i wont be supporting GB in the Olympics, due to the potential presence of Scots.

What question exactly are you trying to answer if those are the alternatives?

Anyway let's face it in your case it's pretty fucking obvious which of those boxes you should tick.

:soapy tit wank:

Class reply!!  Good one Lumper!

Fair play to Reg too.  I spoke to my mate about this team GB issue, who happens to be a big England fan and even he said in time he'd be okay with it.  Can't believe that so many people are happy to through away years of history just to compete in the olympics.

Is this because england fans think they're representing GB anyway (hence the red white and blue kit of the 82 world cup?

british probably, not really fussed

people who get worked up over nationality tend to have a few screws loose

 Think you misunderstand JA....this has nothing to do with the football thing, but rather all Olympic sports.

 As someone who thinks we English should rid ourselves of the financial drain that is Scotland...it follows that we should compete in the Olympics separately.

 I'd also like to see a retrospective thing whereby the likes of the curling team get their listing in medal tables as Scotland.

Oh I see, yeah that's fair enough, separate the union!!