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http://www.swanseacity.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Latest/0,,10354~1295664,00.html

The league should of sorted this shit months ago.Maybe im reading to much into it but anyone think they might actually get the points back?

I don't understand that. Swansea are 16 points clear. If they win this weekend, and Leeds lose, the championship is decided (unless they give Leeds a bonus), so why not have the trophy there in case ?

What a fucking shambles. Swansea won the league fair and square, let them have the trophy.

If Leeds get their points back it will just make a complete mockery of the game and the league system.

Why don't we join them in a class action and try get our countless points deductions back  :-))(

Am I right in thinking that if Leeds fail in their appeal, there is a chance they can be deducted further points??

Don't see why not, surely in that case the FL would be in their rights to punish them for taking them to court despite an agreement not to? I suppose it depends what was written in the agreement

I hope someone burns Elland Road down.

I'm sure your commanding officers wouldn't be pleased to hear you say that  :D

As funny as that might be, Leeds don't actually own the ground any more do they?

Oh dear, they (Leeds) may have fucked up.

http://www.citylite.co.uk/sports-headlines/Leeds-United-silent-on-claims.4010226.jp

I say let them go up. If they don't go up this season it'll be next, and that will narrow it down to 2 teams from the remaining 23. I want us to be in the CCC sooner rather than later!

UPDATE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/7375942.stm

Looks like the outcome will be revealed today.

I bet they get some points back but not enough to send them up automatically - and they will still complain

I don't think they can get a reduced number of points back - it's either all of them back (ie, the football league were wrong) or none (they were right).

They can, as the panel can decide that the League were right to impose some punishment but that 15 points was too harsh. Penny to a pound they get some back but not enough to make any difference. They could also be deducted further points of course for breaking the agreement not to sue. Preferably at the start of next season  :D

I reckon they'll get some points back, just enough to give them home advantage in the second leg of the play-offs.

I agree- I'll expect they'll get the 5 points back so they've effectively been done 10.

Which is right in all honesty, if it's 10 points it's 10 points, you can't bend it to stitch someone up, even if it is cunting Leeds.

The 10 points deduction is for going into administration though which is NOT what Leeds were punished with the 15 point deduction for. That was a separate punishment for breaking League regs by not exiting administration via a CVA for which there is no set punishment, so the League were entitled to impose what punishment they saw fit.

them going on about having 25 in total pisses me off too - they chose to go into administration when they knew 10 points would make no difference to their season, they did that deliberately to make the deduction meaningless, so they can't winge about it now.  what they are doing now is holding he league to ransom as they know now that any decision will have a direct influence on the outcome of the competition.  They are cocks and I hope it backfires on them (but i'm sure it won't)

I'm not sure I like the idea of backfiring cocks tbh :shock:

I still dont get why Swansea aren't champions yet-Leeds cant catch 'em even if they get all their points back

Leeds would only be a point behind?

I would imagine Nottingham Forest, Doncaster and Carlisle already have their legals ready to fight if Leeds get their 15 points back. What a situation.

I can't see how Leeds can get just a proportion of points back, it should be you were right to appeal abd the FL were wrong 15 points back, or you were wrong, 0 points. If Leeds are given 10 points back for example, Bates is going to go straight back on appeal.

I think the original deduction was extremely harsh, I also believe I am right by saying (Leeds) only received about 10% support from Football League sides when the decision was made, so roughly 90% believed it to be the correct decision.

Bates has been the problem all along he thought he was above the law and tried to cheat creditors buying back the club for peanuts (inland revenue not a good idea to take them on), it was not Leeds Utd football club and their supporters who were in the wrong.

What dell said. Spot on - 15 points was probably too harsh on Leeds, but it was Bates they were punishing.

Apparently they are set to find out at 5pm today what has been decided

so as I see it there are two choices:

1- let the deduction stand and piss off the (mostly) undeserving Leeds club and fans, but put an end to it.

2- give Leeds the points back and piss off the (mostly) undeserving clubs and fans of Swansea, Doncaster, Forest, Carlisle, Southend and frankly most other 'neutrals' in the whole league and have appeals and legal cases going  on all through next season ?

If I was a lawyer eyeing up a new extension to my house I'd obviously go for 2, but as a football fan the choice seems mind blowingly simple to me - sorry Leeds.

actually there is option 3 too, give Leeds back some of the points and then basically piss off everyone except lawyers who get a whole new house in the Carribean, rather than just an extension

oh yeah-I get it :oops: There's me thinking the season is over!

Seemingly Leeds have got sod all back and Sky employ people who can't read summaries!

0 points back.

Shame.

Leeds have failed... :D

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39838000/jpg/_39838571_bates270.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39838000/jpg/_39838571_bates270.jpg

What a terrible shame indeed.

At least that's saved me F5ing the BBC site every few seconds. Lazy journalists.

oh god, thats another year of whinging then.

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Glad to hear that they got nowt back, I hope they don't go up in the play offs too, just to rub it in.  Don't like Leeds, or their supporters, oh and I hope we've billed LUFC for those matchday balls their fans stole earlier in the season.

I'm a bit disappointed that Leeds weren't thrown out of the league, which is what should have happened.  Hopefully they'll cock up the PO

Have some of that you fucking Santa Claus gyppo!  :fu:

Fucking glad they got nothing! Can't wait for their play-off tears now  :mrgreen:

I will laugh heartily if they are here next season. I know a few leeds fans and I really want another chance to beat them.

Or another 2 chances  :|

I will be sorely tempted to spend another weekend in Yorkshire should they remain in League 1!

Best news I've heard all day!

Note to self and axs:

Bring more beer for the journey up.

Go straight to the Netto to buy Centurion lager for the journey back.

roughly twice as much and yes, so that means 4 quid spending money.

Suprised but releived that the appeal failed. No more legal action hanging over the league, and the chance to watch Leeds fail in the playoffs

Next season Im going up the Friday as was too bloody knackered that Saturday night after driving  The beer furmes from you two must have got to me  :mrgreen: !  Thats providing the game gets played on a Saturday and they don't go up!

It is well worth reading the full judgement of the arbitrators in declining the appeal of Leeds against their (entirely deserved) acceptance in to L1 only on the condition that they started on -15 points.

http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/staticFiles/4c/ec/0,,10794~126028,00.pdf

Bates and his solicitor have quite clearly been exposed as charlatans of the first rank.

Interesting stuff - unless you can't face reading about CVA's again!  I can't see why Leeds are still wingeing on as they could have been forced to start last season in League 2 by the look of it.  A compromise was reached that they would be allowed to play in L1 as long as they took a 15 point deduction.  Bates and co agreed subject to being allowed to appeal to the other league members - the majority voted for the deduction.  Also the league could have given them a 20 point ban so they didn't even get the maximum.  Moaning cunts

Fuck me both Ken Bates and Mark Taylor are dodgy shiesters.

Bringing in Barnsley as a support within the Particulars of Claim without Barnsleys knowledge or agreement is downright fucking unlawful.

Bates, I hope you rot in some turkish prison being arse raped daily you shady cunt

OK

So lets face facts,

If the FL went strictly to the letter of their constitution, then being leeds could not agree any form of CVA, then one of the two follwing options would have had to apply ;

1) Leeds OldCo went into liquidation

2) Leeds NewCo purchased Leeds OldCo and started off the following season in League 2

THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE FL

So, Leeds play up and negotiate through Malwhinney for the FL to use its discretionary powers to enable them to stay in League 1 and accept a 15 point penalty instead of demotion to league 2.

This was agreed by the FL on the understanding that it could be subject to appeal.

Lets face it, Leeds were never ever ever going to win the appeal.

I feel sorry for the fans obviously, but Bates and Taylors arrogance and delaying tactics was the final nail in the coffin.

Both parties should be driven out of football all together

I think that the F.A. and F.L. should police those in charge of all clubs.

Would you be able to buy a listed building and then knock it down? Same principal applies as even though the majority of clubs are privately owned, all clubs are part of F.A., F.L. and even English heritage.

They should absolutely be kicked out as they bring the game into dis-repute and make a mockery of the authorities.

It's not the fault of the (Any) club, but the fault of a few greedy individuals who remain for a fraction of the time that the club is in existence.

What happened at Brighton for example was a disgrace and the F.L., F.A. whatever should have stepped in.

At the end of the day, any club that generates a debt of 35M quid, which it then seeks to wipe clean by offering its creditors 1p in the pound, deserves everything it gets. The Leeds fans are all blaming HMRC for fucking them over, regardless of the facts they owed 7.7M in unpaid tax alone. You need all creditors to agree to the CVA, and rightly HMRC didn't in this situation. I feel for the fans in some respect, but you reap what you sow.

Frankly, they should have been demoted two divisions, in line with other clubs who attempted similar tactics regarding exiting administration, so they got lucky with -15 points. So shut the fuck up and get on with it.

Does anybody know if the same fate awaits Luton, Bournemouth and Rotherham, who all appear to have similar predicaments (i.e. no agreed CVA to exit administration).

Oh, and Ken Bates is a contemptuous cunt of the highest order. In the famous words of OST, thats a FACT!