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...well very little.  Nevertheless their appeal, tribunual thingy starts today.

  I'd like to see the panel decide they got off lightly and throw them out of the league.   Unfortunately history suggests that money talks in these circumstances so Leeds will probably get, if not all, some points back.

  Which is going to make a right mess of the promotion race.

I can see it now.  They get the points back, go up automatically and Carlisle drop to third place from where they lose horribly in the play off semis.  Then they appeal.

As you say - messy.  The best solution would be to give Leeds no points back at all, and for them to then lose horribly in the play off semis.

Give them 7 points back.

When Leeds win their appeal, and I beleive it is a when,  I sincerely hope the FL are taken to court by the clubs and fans affected by the decision.

It would make a mockery of the whole season if the league table changed this close to the end of the season through the FLs incompetence.

What ever happens in football should stay in football imo. Why has this gone to the high court, the judge probably knows nothing about football.

Why has it taken Leeds thins long to appeal? Is it simply because they now realise they can get auto promotion with the extra points?

If it was a moral issue they would have done it sooner.

Or are my assumptions erroneous.

Leeds have been trying to appeal all season to be fair Si.

 Your assumptions are indeed erroneous...Leeds actually signed a bit of paper saying they wouldn't take recourse to legal action, then promptly did so.

 Bates claimed it was teh only way to start the season,  so it was a sort of blackmail, in his opinion contrary to natural justice..

 Rather than dragging it through the High Court, both parties agreed to this binding arbitration.

But it was blackmail really wasn't it? if they did not sign it they would not have got the golden share which allows them to play league football.

They shouldnt be allowed to appeal and if (and lets hope not) they do win he points back they should only be given them next season or something

Otherwise like someone said - it makes a mockery of the whole season

Maybe we should try and get our division back from 1990?  :mrgreen:

Stab Ken Bates, then everyones a winner.

My understanding was that it was a High Court writ that forced the issue. I don't know much about law, but couldn't it have been issued sooner?

Iknow Bates explored other avenues first, but it seems the threat was always there, the action only happened recently.

Don't think they'll get more than 5 points back.

If we had the money at the time tans we would have which is why I believe leeds have a right to.

Frankly, this whinging and whining about the 15 points has gone on long enough.  

If they don't get their points back they should be sanctioned or even demoted.

A agree. I'm off to wind some Leeds fans up on another forum  :mrgreen:

Quite fucking right too.

They signed a contract, as Reginal said, stating they would not take legal action. They've taken legal action, take more points off the norvern monkees for breaking their agreement and give their ground to Bradford.

or even our Uefa cup run from 1970!

From Leeds Utd site:

The arbitration proceedings are entirely confidential and all parties have declined to comment. The hearing is expected to last three days, with a ruling being given by late May.

So does that mean that whoever gets the 2nd automatic promotion place cannot celebrate until the end of May?  :?

It'd have to be before the playoffs were played. Presuming it would affect 2nd place downwards. I haven't looked at the league table for ages so I'm not sure.

Good point.  Before you can start the play off games, you need to know who has finished in places 3 to 6.

At this rate, the Championship might just end up consisting of 25 clubs next season.

What ios the appeal of dirty Leeds?

Shopping, nightlife or the cheap brothels?

Centurion Lager. 22p.

I thought FIFA or UEFA had a rule in place that could result in clubs being thrown out of leagues/competitions if they entered into high court to appeal decisions made by domestic authorities? Obviously not........The league should just have threatened to throw them out of the football league altogether as this is the second season on the trot they've made a mockery of English football......

All this does is bring closer the prospect of clubs taking red card appeals and controversial decisions into the courtroom.

Oh and if Leeds win the appeal the football league should just give the other 23 teams a 15 point bonus to cancel it out as I doubt the court ruling would mention anything about other teams getting given points.

The league have really messed up.....Luton and co shouldnt have had points deducted....its not fair on the fans or players when teams get relegated...the muppets who run these clubs dont give a shit,punish the money men who cant run the clubs...i,e how come Sam Parkin whos on big bucks along with Furlong end up at Luton!!!...the league should monitor clubs who are in a mess and vito any deal when its obvious they cant afford these players.

The points deduction is the only way IMO and natural justice to an extent. If the teams hadn't spent the extra money they'd probably have a weaker squad so therefore have less points so swings in roundabouts really.

I see it is now saying that the appeal will go into a 4th day - monday - and that the decisions isn't likely to be revealed until around the end of may, so that means that the play-off's could be gonig ahead with the winner not actually guarnteed to be promoted or whoever finishes 2nd could be dinied.

Surely this is going to thorw the league into a mockery and turn it into a laughing stock.

They need to do somethingto stop this ever happening again..close the appeal loophole so no club can threaten court action, if any club wishes to appeal a decision give them 28 days and then close the case.

I hope they decide that the league was too leniant and that they should have thrown them out the league.

Dream on!

This is going to make a complete laughing stock of the league. If Leeds finish in the play-offs, presumably they will have to play those games. If they were to lose, but then be given 2nd place in the league and thus automatic promotion, what would happen to the team that originally finished 2nd and the team that won the play-offs?!

It's a shambles and if there's one club I WOULD like to see made an example of, it would be Leeds.

As said in another thread



So kick the dirty Leeds out of the league!

so do we slate the board of leeds for inheriting the problems they have.yet try to excuse fitton and co because the problems were not theirs in the first place?
it's double standards if you ask me

No, we slate Leeds for complaining about what most see as a fair punishment, and taking it to court after signing an agreement that they wouldn't.
If I remember correctly, the FL bent the rules to even allow Leeds to compete this season

Get out of it, we all know very well what Papa Smurf was up to when he put them into admin.....and how he bought them back by being a total arse and manipulating everyone involved.

That bloke is a prize A CUNT

Arriba this is a serious question, do you try and question / disagree with most people on here on purpose? Even that Chris Taylor incident, all you said was that he was a good player!

The Leeds fans agree 100% with you!!

The CURRENT points deduction is in place because the CURRENT board broke some rules RE: coming out of administration. And so to to answer your question....

YES

I recommend that you read up on it a bit before posting.

serious answer,no.i meant what i said.
and where am i disagreeing with people?its my opinion as always and a general comment.it isn't taking any individual to task like you are with me is it?.if it means my opinion differs to someone elses then thats the way it is.i dont set out to disagree with people.please point out where i am disagreeing and questioning people on here.your generalisation would point to you thinking i do it regularly.
infact people agree with stuff i say alot of the time.if you want to take me to task thats fine. but at least have some idea what you are going on about!

and i  thought chris tayyyylor looked a good player.so what?
he did!what is your point tails?i cant see what you are on about?

and where are your opinions on the issue of the thread?or are you just trying to argue with me for the sake of it?
maybe a look closer to home wouldn't go a miss?


leeds are not much different to ourselves really.and that was the point i was getting at.we could have been in a similar situation and then i think the stuff leeds are getting slated for would funnily get ignored by our fans if the boot was on the other foot.can we blame them for what they are doing now?
my original point was in no way a dig at our board before others miss the point further.it was how we as fans look at different clubs situations.

so none of it was inherited then?
it was all down to the current lot eh?
i'm no expert on the situaltion but i know a bit about what is going on.
and i find it a bit daft that some of us are so quick to stick the boot in when we have been in virtually the same boat.

I sort of agree with Arriba.

Punish Bates further certainly, but Leeds don't deserve to be chucked out. They also don't deserve the points back though and I hate their scummy club.

However our fans are just as bad at bleating on about our demotion all those years ago. It is a fan's nature to moan at decisions which are made by the FL/FA/Court as they are not in direct control of the playing and coaching staff, which is what a fan pays to watch. I can probably sympathise with them from that respect.

Apparently the decision of the tribunal will now be made on 1 May. I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it though.....

I kind of sympathise with Leeds fans. They are certainly paying a big price for living the dream a few years back.

Having said that, that corrupt old cunt Bates deserves everything he gets, and I for one hope the courts uphold the original points deduction and put an end to this saga. The only people who stand to gain anything from this are the lawyers.

Yes and no.

You have to bear in mind here that Leeds where deducted points initially for going into administration, whether or Bates and Co. where at the Helm at the time I am not sure.

However the Second points deduction the following season was incurred because because Leeds did not exit administration via a CVA. At that time Bates and Co. where without doubt at the helm and broke teh rules.

And so again yes, the 15 point deduction THIS seasons deduction lays firmly with bates, however whomever is to blame for the previous seasons deduction is questionable, and also quite irrelevant really.

Anyway, we where not quite in the same boat because we just got skint, Leeds however tried to cheat and got busted for it.

Oh,

And for the record I do sympathise with the Leeds fans as their club is being made a mockery of by one individual. Theres not much that they can do about it really.

(Although they don't complain much about his money)

Kick them out of the league. Bates is a crook!  :mrgreen:

Leeds will argue that they broke no rules, and the 15 point punishment is unlawful.

The thing I worry about is if they get all or some of their points back, then the playoff places or even promotion is being decided in the court of law. What happens to the clubs affected by the decision should the points be given back. Is it fair they have made decisions with possible financial repercussions based on the league table with the deduction?  Is it fair that the someone may miss out because of it?

This could rumble on and on through the courts if other clubs affected by the outcome decide to take legal action too.

I guess the only thing that would be good for football is that they either lose their appeal, or they get some points back but not enough to influence the league in any way. But then I suppose there will be an appeal...

The problem isn't really Leeds appealing. I think a lot of fans are quick to just have a pop at Leeds because they are not liked much. But really it's the FL that has made a mess of this. To let it rumble on for so long was a bad move.

what he said and...

they'll fix it so it'll all work out without anyones noses being put out e.g. Leeds will finish in the play-offs anyway and they might give them a few points back and perhaps the only advantage they may gain is playing the 2nd leg of the play off at home

Any update on the decision yet?

Expected around May 1st iirc

That help you NR?

Those polling stations are going to be busy