Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: leefer on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 21:16:27 Dont really take alot of notice most weeks,but had a good look at my compulsory outgoings this week and frankly was shocked how much i fork out every week.tax 120 pounds,40 national insurance,30 for council tax.....so thats the best part of 200 every week before all the other fukin tax they put on fuel,etc.......what really cheeses me is VAT....what is that all about,value added tax,what a con,best part of 20 quid every 100...but cant really see any extra value can you?...What do you lot think,do we get value for money,what is the nat insurance really for if we all have to dig deep for our pensions as well,to be honest its pissed me off and i wish i hadnt looked into it now!
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 21:39:37 national insurance is for cunts like me, it costs upwards of 70 grand a year to keep me alive, you never know leefer you might get ill one day. pay your tax and hope nothing bad happens to you.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 21:42:15 It's called Value Added Tax because it is charged on the added value proportion of the sale (businesses can claim the VAT they pay on supplies back, so in essence only charge tax on the difference between the sales price and the cost - the 'added value' proportion). It's a very annoying bugger of a tax.
As for NI, I don't have a problem with paying it. If I'm ever out of work for a prolonged period I'd intend to collect my social securities. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: leefer on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 21:53:32 Thats fair enough Mexico....but i would rather pay 40 pounds a week to Bupa if i had a choice,i cant afford both,my mum in law payed thousands of nat insurance in her life time,when she got ill she was treated like shit and sadly died......she didnt get no say in her treatment nor did we,i would gladly pay an extra few pounds a week for people who struggle,my gripe Mexico is we should have a choice if ware not happy with Nat Ins,i would rather go to Bupa with my 40 pounds,i wish my mum in law was with them....they would have scanned her and her illness prob picked up.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 22:09:04 Quote from: "leefer" Thats fair enough Mexico....but i would rather pay 40 pounds a week to Bupa if i had a choice,i cant afford both,my mum in law payed thousands of nat insurance in her life time,when she got ill she was treated like shit and sadly died......she didnt get no say in her treatment nor did we,i would gladly pay an extra few pounds a week for people who struggle,my gripe Mexico is we should have a choice if ware not happy with Nat Ins,i would rather go to Bupa with my 40 pounds,i wish my mum in law was with them....they would have scanned her and her illness prob picked up. Mate I know exactly how you feel. Unfortunately I'm of a view that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If there was a limited NHS or none at all, private healthcare would be more expensive than it is already, so you probably wouldn't go for it anyway. My main gripe with the NHS is that it isn't run efficiently enough. With the amount of people that use it mistakes are bound to happen but certain incidents are unforgivable. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Arriba on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 22:29:18 i dont mind paying.but i mind all the cunts that get something for nothing.if the dss payments to scum were stopped, we'd have to pay less.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 02:02:58 Quote from: "arriba" i dont mind paying.but i mind all the cunts that get something for nothing.if the dss payments to scum were stopped, we'd have to pay less. Let's take me for example. I've paid tax on my income and a bit of national insurance now and again when I've been working. But generally I've consistantly been unemployed or a student. Are you saying that people like me should be left to fend for themselves? Because I've got no problem with a few rich (and my rich I mean anybody with money) muggings if I was desperate. Do I still have the right to not die from a curable disease? Or do you think because I've haven't paid enough tax I should be left to die? Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Colin Todd on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 02:49:45 Dont be such a drama queen. Arriba is clearly saying that dossers get given far too much in this country and he is right. No-one is saying let the poor die. Hundreds of thousands of eastern Europeans wouldn't need to be here if the legion of lazy British bastards did something worthwhile with their lives.
From you're posts on here you are obviously not thick, just get a job and stop your moaning. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 08:34:45 1. If you don't like the amount of tax/nat insurance etc you are paying, then why not move to a country where you don't have to pay it?
2. There is always the option to pay for private healthcare (like everyone else in the world). 3. FB: This is not a personal attack, but either your parents or you should be funding yourself. I don't know you, so should I be funding you? Put more eloquently: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I&feature=related NMH Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 08:48:36 I don't have a problem paying tax and national insurance as long as it goes to a worthy cause. What fucks me off alot is the lazy, dole scum cunts who I deliver to on my round that sit at home in front of the tv waiting for me to deliver their giro.
I really have to bite my tongue some days. £70 a week in tax and £35 a week in national insurance I pay to those cunts sat on the sofa. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 09:27:24 As the government spend around £90bn on the NHS, £33bn on defence and £74bn on education, it's more like £15 a week you pay to those cunts sat on the sofa. You're lashing out slightly more to those cunts looking after sick people and those cunts trying to teach kids stuff. Bastards!
Edit: more seriously, we do spend a shocking amount on benefits although not all of it goes on whatever the hell they call the dole these days (there's a fair whack goes to child poverty, tax credits for working families, child support, stuff for pensioners etc). And after a quick 10-minute google I couldn't actually find a simple breakdown of UK govt spending. Like a simple "where your money goes" table. Anyone better at googling care to try digging one out? Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: tans on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 09:33:29 Quote from: "Ralphy" I don't have a problem paying tax and national insurance as long as it goes to a worthy cause. What fucks me off alot is the lazy, dole scum cunts who I deliver to on my round that sit at home in front of the tv waiting for me to deliver their giro. I really have to bite my tongue some days. £70 a week in tax and £35 a week in national insurance I pay to those cunts sat on the sofa. Complete with their 50 inch plasma tv and top of the range stereo system. Does my nut. I paid 800 in tax this month :shock: Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 09:36:17 i dont earn enough to pay tax 8) Best of both worlds
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 10:40:01 Paul, you know what I was getting at.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 10:42:56 Quote from: "Ralphy" I don't have a problem paying tax and national insurance as long as it goes to a worthy cause. What fucks me off alot is the lazy, dole scum cunts who I deliver to on my round that sit at home in front of the tv waiting for me to deliver their giro. I really have to bite my tongue some days. £70 a week in tax and £35 a week in national insurance I pay to those cunts sat on the sofa. Surely you don't have The Underrclass in Chipping Norton? There may be good reason for them being out of work. For example I've a mate, who is single late 40's worked all his life....last year had a heart attack. It was the fags that caused it....he nearly went, but didn't. He's now registered disabled, he hates it because he wants to work, but just can't...the money he gets from benefits....is as it should be enough to keep you going, but no frills. The poor have always been among us.....historically up until the early part of the 20th century we had The Poor Law, where a tax was levied locally to deal with problems such as vagrancy, the idle poor and those incapable of fending for themselves. This involved the Workhouse....where conditions had to be worse than outside...which meant they were bad. Alfred Williams' book on life in South Marston, in the latter part of the 19th Century, is worth a read to give an idea of the terror that the Stratton Workhouse held on the locals. It ws against this background that the idea of NI was developed.....it might not be perfect, but to me is a mark of a civilised society. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 10:59:48 Quote from: "Ralphy" Paul, you know what I was getting at. I know and I was being an arse for the sake of it tbh but then when I did a quick look-up to check what proportion of taxes did go to dole, I was surprised to find it wasn't more readily accessible. And shocked how much does go on benefits tbh Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:10:35 the fact the very rich pay fuck all in tax is a major let down by labour.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: dell boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:15:40 Quote from: "arriba" the fact the very rich pay fuck all in tax is a major let down by labour. :nono: What!!!!!! Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:21:24 Quote from: "arriba" the fact the very rich pay fuck all in tax is a major let down by labour. Unfortunately when this has been tried in the past its proved very unpopular for some reason, the average fella and his missus like the fact that your Abramoviches and Frank Sinawatras find our country attractoive for tax purposes. Back in the halcyon days of the late 60's early 70's there was much gnashing of teeth and wailing on the factory floors when the likes of The Rolling Stones had to move and buy up French chateaux, because of the tax they had to pay.in Britain. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:24:53 Quote from: "flammableBen" Quote from: "arriba" i dont mind paying.but i mind all the cunts that get something for nothing.if the dss payments to scum were stopped, we'd have to pay less. Let's take me for example. I've paid tax on my income and a bit of national insurance now and again when I've been working. But generally I've consistantly been unemployed or a student. Are you saying that people like me should be left to fend for themselves? Because I've got no problem with a few rich (and my rich I mean anybody with money) muggings if I was desperate. Do I still have the right to not die from a curable disease? Or do you think because I've haven't paid enough tax I should be left to die? there is no reason for you to live the lifestyle you do.you are a bright fella but are a waster at the same time.you choose to live the life you do and thats fair enough. but why should i and other tax payers fund anything for you? you shouldn't be left to die. but people that pay their way should be treated before you if the need was there. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: dell boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:26:35 I know this didn't start as a tax dodging thread - but the people who really piss me off are some of the self-employed in this country.
Painters & Decorators, Builders, The Handymen of this world are at the top of the list, never short of cash, and NEVER in their lives have they declared all they have earned. How many jobs have you had done around your house and if you know them they will always give you one price for cash and the other through the books? Of course most people will take the cash price option, no VAT and at least 10% off on top. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:27:50 fair point dell boy
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Sussex on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:34:32 Quote from: "dell boy" How many jobs have you had done around your house and if you know them they will always give you one price for cash and the other through the books? Of course most people will take the cash price option, no VAT and at least 10% off on top. I'm all in favour of mates rates, having a friend who's a mechanic has saved me a shed load over the years! Don't have a problem with the amount of tax etc that I pay, just annoyed at where much of it seems to be distributed. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: dell boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:48:48 Quote from: "Sussex" Quote from: "dell boy" How many jobs have you had done around your house and if you know them they will always give you one price for cash and the other through the books? Of course most people will take the cash price option, no VAT and at least 10% off on top. I'm all in favour of mates rates, having a friend who's a mechanic has saved me a shed load over the years! Don't have a problem with the amount of tax etc that I pay, just annoyed at where much of it seems to be distributed. Yes my next door neighbour with his £45,000 extension has saved shed loads as well paying cash, talking to the builder, he will be having his fifth holiday in Lanzarote in a year at his villa he purchased three years ago, apparently he had to get rid of the cash somehow. Some say good luck to them of course, but who pays in the end, your honest working man. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: dell boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:53:33 PS Whoever is responsible for changing the clock on here, please do it, I'm late for the pub, bugger. :oops:
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Sussex on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:55:20 Quote from: "dell boy" PS Whoever is responsible for changing the clock on here, please do it, I'm late for the pub, bugger. :oops: You do it in your profile Dell. GMT + 1. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Luci on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:57:51 Quote from: "dell boy" Quote from: "Sussex" Quote from: "dell boy" How many jobs have you had done around your house and if you know them they will always give you one price for cash and the other through the books? Of course most people will take the cash price option, no VAT and at least 10% off on top. I'm all in favour of mates rates, having a friend who's a mechanic has saved me a shed load over the years! Don't have a problem with the amount of tax etc that I pay, just annoyed at where much of it seems to be distributed. Yes my next door neighbour with his £45,000 extension has saved shed loads as well paying cash, talking to the builder, he will be having his fifth holiday in Lanzarote in a year at his villa he purchased three years ago, apparently he had to get rid of the cash somehow. Some say good luck to them of course, but who pays in the end, your honest working man. With that much money he chose Lanzagrotty? :shock: :wink: Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 12:01:35 Quote from: "pauld" As the government spend around £90bn on the NHS, £33bn on defence and £74bn on education, it's more like £15 a week you pay to those cunts sat on the sofa. You're lashing out slightly more to those cunts looking after sick people and those cunts trying to teach kids stuff. Bastards! Edit: more seriously, we do spend a shocking amount on benefits although not all of it goes on whatever the hell they call the dole these days (there's a fair whack goes to child poverty, tax credits for working families, child support, stuff for pensioners etc). And after a quick 10-minute google I couldn't actually find a simple breakdown of UK govt spending. Like a simple "where your money goes" table. Anyone better at googling care to try digging one out? It's a bit outdated but gives you a rough idea. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/simon_pieman/Spending.jpg Source: http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications.php?publication_id=1791 Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 12:50:44 Reg, i'm afraid you get underclass everywhere :x
I know for a fact that the folks on my round who don't work are just plain lazy bastards. At the other end of the scale, I deliver to the stinking rich who have earnt their money by hard graft and are nice people. The worse type is people who have come into money, new money if you like. Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: strooood on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 12:57:46 Quote from: "arriba" Quote from: "flammableBen" Quote from: "arriba" i dont mind paying.but i mind all the cunts that get something for nothing.if the dss payments to scum were stopped, we'd have to pay less. Let's take me for example. I've paid tax on my income and a bit of national insurance now and again when I've been working. But generally I've consistantly been unemployed or a student. Are you saying that people like me should be left to fend for themselves? Because I've got no problem with a few rich (and my rich I mean anybody with money) muggings if I was desperate. Do I still have the right to not die from a curable disease? Or do you think because I've haven't paid enough tax I should be left to die? there is no reason for you to live the lifestyle you do.you are a bright fella but are a waster at the same time.you choose to live the life you do and thats fair enough. but why should i and other tax payers fund anything for you? you shouldn't be left to die. but people that pay their way should be treated before you if the need was there. "another smart guy with shit for brains" http://kinsman.epix.net/patricia/images/gcvt2.jpg Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 13:01:45 I don't think Ben would have used the health service for a number of years. I know he doesn't claim benefits.
I'm sure he pays taxes on White Ace. Saying that he is a lazy lay-about bum who does need a job :D Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Bushey Boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 13:34:17 Had a 9k tax bill yesterday, paid my VAT for teh quarter yesetrday of £2,600 so lets not start on tax hey.
The country needs sorting but it wont. I agree with doing cash jobs, totally. Fuck paying tax for the EU and fake benefit claimaints Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 13:41:43 You should go limited whilst it will still save you money Bushey
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Bushey Boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 14:06:50 I wont as it means chaning bank accounts, too hard for me
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: leefer on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 14:07:11 Some great points...i dont agree that some person whos worked there bollocks off too earn a good salary should pay more tax than some fat layabout,why should a person whos worked for 20 years to earn 100,000,per anum have to give up 40,000 of it.....thats just tax!.....its not a fair system and why lots of people work abroad,theres no incentive for people like me to earn more,because they will take more.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: dell boy on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 14:27:52 Quote from: "STFCLady" Quote from: "dell boy" Quote from: "Sussex" Quote from: "dell boy" How many jobs have you had done around your house and if you know them they will always give you one price for cash and the other through the books? Of course most people will take the cash price option, no VAT and at least 10% off on top. I'm all in favour of mates rates, having a friend who's a mechanic has saved me a shed load over the years! Don't have a problem with the amount of tax etc that I pay, just annoyed at where much of it seems to be distributed. Yes my next door neighbour with his £45,000 extension has saved shed loads as well paying cash, talking to the builder, he will be having his fifth holiday in Lanzarote in a year at his villa he purchased three years ago, apparently he had to get rid of the cash somehow. Some say good luck to them of course, but who pays in the end, your honest working man. With that much money he chose Lanzagrotty? :shock: :wink: Didn't say he had class, just loads of excess cash to get rid of!!! Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: warksred on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 14:45:11 Quote from: "leefer" Some great points...i dont agree that some person whos worked there bollocks off too earn a good salary should pay more tax than some fat layabout,why should a person whos worked for 20 years to earn 100,000,per anum have to give up 40,000 of it.....thats just tax!.....its not a fair system and why lots of people work abroad,theres no incentive for people like me to earn more,because they will take more. Is it Fair that the affluent in society can pay privately for diagnostic health tests and then jump the NHS waiting list cos they have a definate diagnosis ( you do not have to pay into BUPA to access private health care!!!) Idealistically Life would be FAIR to everyone Realistically Life is UNFAIR Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 16:25:09 After reading all the above, this is the kind of guy that doesn't deserve a penny:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_scrounger.shtml Title: Re: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Red81 on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 16:50:28 Quote from: "leefer" Dont really take alot of notice most weeks,but had a good look at my compulsory outgoings this week and frankly was shocked how much i fork out every week.tax 120 pounds,40 national insurance,30 for council tax.....so thats the best part of 200 every week before all the other fukin tax they put on fuel,etc.......what really cheeses me is VAT....what is that all about,value added tax,what a con,best part of 20 quid every 100...but cant really see any extra value can you?...What do you lot think,do we get value for money,what is the nat insurance really for if we all have to dig deep for our pensions as well,to be honest its pissed me off and i wish i hadnt looked into it now! Whatever you may think of Michael Moore's documentaries/films, watch one called 'Sicko', then see how you feel about taxes/national insurance etc. It may or may not make you feel different.Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 17:55:26 Quote from: "Si Pie" Quote from: "pauld" As the government spend around £90bn on the NHS, £33bn on defence and £74bn on education, it's more like £15 a week you pay to those cunts sat on the sofa. You're lashing out slightly more to those cunts looking after sick people and those cunts trying to teach kids stuff. Bastards! Edit: more seriously, we do spend a shocking amount on benefits although not all of it goes on whatever the hell they call the dole these days (there's a fair whack goes to child poverty, tax credits for working families, child support, stuff for pensioners etc). And after a quick 10-minute google I couldn't actually find a simple breakdown of UK govt spending. Like a simple "where your money goes" table. Anyone better at googling care to try digging one out? It's a bit outdated but gives you a rough idea. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/simon_pieman/Spending.jpg Source: http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications.php?publication_id=1791 Cheers Si Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: yeo on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 19:02:48 I love paying tax,Id pay more if I could.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: leefer on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 20:06:51 Do more work then Yeovil!!
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: yeo on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 20:40:02 Id rather work less and pay more.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, March 30, 2008, 21:14:02 Likewise, tax makes me wet.
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, March 31, 2008, 01:32:28 tax is fine - I don't mind paying - the NHS fixed up my arm good (and I claimed the cash back from my healthcare provider)
Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 12:34:44 I Like the fact that when I had my knee operation the surgeon who saw me at princess margarets was the same surgeon I saw 6 months after at the ridgeway.
No wonder we cant get appts they work fucking split shifts the cunts Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, March 31, 2008, 14:30:47 Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop" I Like the fact that when I had my knee operation the surgeon who saw me at princess margarets was the same surgeon I saw 6 months after at the ridgeway. Quite correct there DRS. I waited over a year for my first hip op (six months to see the surgeon and then six months on his list to do it!) whilst a friend of mine had the same surgeon do the identical operation within four weeks of being referred. The difference . . . . I was NHS whist he works for Honda who give their employees private medical insurance - I had mine at the GWH whilst my surgeon did his at the Ridgeway!!No wonder we cant get appts they work fucking split shifts the cunts Title: Feeling Taxed off!!! Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 31, 2008, 15:27:06 I would guess he doesn't have exclusive rights to a theatre in any hospital so couldn't perform all day, day in, day out anyway. I suspect you'd find the hospital have to fit you in as opposed to the surgeon.
I was on a waiting list for major surgery a few years ago, and when it came to be my turn is was canceled in order to meet nhs waiting times by the surgeon performing quicker ops. I was fucking livid so wrote the rudest letter you've ever read to Tony Bliar and several other unsuspecting people as well as the surgeon. I had my operation within a week or so. To be fair to the surgeon he phoned me and was very apologetic, and explained he had no choice. I'd like to think my diplomatic letter to the prime minister got me my operation, well actually i wouldn't because i hate the cunt, but it was infact a consultant i wrote too that got it sorted. |