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Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Luci on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:24:39
What a royal fuck up this turned out to be!

Poor people this morning turning up to check in at 4am for a 06.45 flight ended up missing their flight cause staff didn't know what they were doing!  (I don't blame the staff btw as its clear they havent had sufficient training).

I have no idea how they can possibly comprehend planning Terminal 6 when this has been so chaotic.

Why do we overspend on things that never live up to expectations!


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:27:44
A teacher here was sat on the plane ready to unboard for 2 hours!! Shocking! Crazy since so much money was spent and tested. BA will lose loads of customers because of this.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:30:37
apprently every time someone trys to vent there anger to staff or even find out whats going on they are told to calm down or the police will be called!


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:32:22
Some people had to wait 4 hours for their luggage. 4 fricken hours. Clearly the training, testing and contingency plan was far from adequate.

I pity anyone who has to deal with BA's customer service. Worst CS department ever. Even worse the NTL (of old). That bad.

I'm flying to Toronto in 3 weeks. Initially I was a bit disappointed to be going from terminal 4, but we are coming back to terminal 5.  I'm sure it'll all be sorted by then tough.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:35:19
My sister is due to fly back from the Caribbean tomorrow  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:50:55
How exactly do you think it's possible to have tested the place (infrastructure & systems) to the level of normal daily use?  It's impossible, hence why so many large projects spend the first few days/weeks/months even looking like this.

It's impossible to recreate the real world when testing, so it's not until it's launched that most of the bugs come to the fore.

Unrelated, other than planes, but the Manchester plane disaster back in the 80's puzzled the industry because all tests had shown you could vacate a full plane in plenty of time so nobody should have burned to death.  It wasn't until some bright spark suggested turning the test into a competition where people getting off quickly were rewaded with lots of cash did they find out the answer.  In that real situation people forgot to act calmcy and take instruction, it was every person for themselves.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:52:56
what happened at the Manchester plane disaster??  :shock:


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:53:28
Quote from: "RobertT"
How exactly do you think it's possible to have tested the place (infrastructure & systems) to the level of normal daily use?  It's impossible, hence why so many large projects spend the first few days/weeks/months even looking like this.

It's impossible to recreate the real world when testing, so it's not until it's launched that most of the bugs come to the fore.

Unrelated, other than planes, but the Manchester plane disaster back in the 80's puzzled the industry because all tests had shown you could vacate a full plane in plenty of time so nobody should have burned to death.  It wasn't until some bright spark suggested turning the test into a competition where people getting off quickly were rewaded with lots of cash did they find out the answer.  In that real situation people forgot to act calmcy and take instruction, it was every person for themselves.


I was going to post something like this. I'm suprised they don't open slowly, gradually building up to full capacity over a few weeks. I guess it would cost more money.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Luci on Friday, March 28, 2008, 13:54:26
I think the fact that the parties in question BAA/BA are supposed to be well established and the fact that Heathrow has 4 other terminals would have really made operations run smoother.  Teething problems are acceptable but theres no excuse for the chaos that this has caused.

They had apparently practised procedures for 6 months prior to this and years of planning for the fingerprint security system which was withdrawn a few days before the opening.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: ghanimah on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:03:27
I'm flying out from T5 in 5 weeks time so hopefully most of the problems will be ironed out by then. Have to say I've been keeping an eye on the completion of this project because as is the way with most of these things I thought that it would significantly overrun, and it wouldn't be open until close to the date of my departure.

Considering BA & BAA's rather poor record at Heathrow, and the nature of big project contracts with the countless firms involved, who then sub-contract and sub-sub-contract out, and the fact that a 'big-bang' start should be avoided at all costs wherever possible, I suppose the 1st day shambles shouldn't really be a surprise.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:05:29
point is, it's impossible almost to get the testing to match reality.  People behave differently in real life when thinking of themselves, combine in the need to load test at the same time and you find reality is often completely different to the testing process.  They could have been testing for 12 months and still not spotted most of the stuff, or launched slowly and still had the same problems months down the line when full capacity was hit.

If you are sensible, you'd have avoided Heathrow on BA flights for a good few months after Terminal 5 launched.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: ghanimah on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:08:24
Quote from: "RobertT"

If you are sensible, you'd have avoided Heathrow on BA flights for a good few months after Terminal 5 launched.


You're right, but unfortunately in my case this is not possible. Crossed fingers then!


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:15:01
You can't recreate real life.

But when excuses include stuff like:
-staff being unable to log on to the checkin machines,
-staff unable to park and get through security checks
- staff are unable to get the baggage of the belt quick enough

Clearly something has gone very wrong with their modelling/simulations if these things are outside 'normal operation' boundaries.

Oh, and BA changed my flight back from T4 to T5 after booking.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Bushey Boy on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:30:55
Its a huge operation, give it a few weeks and all will be sorted


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: redbullzeye on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:50:37
Somebody will be blaming Malpas in a minute.....


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: STFCBird on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:08:05
I'd just like a holiday, even if I have to stand in terminal 5 for 2 weeks least I'd be away from this shitting cunt hole


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Sussex on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:08:34
Gatwick's fine. Malpas out!


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:33:59
Quote from: "redbullzeye"
Somebody will be blaming Malpas in a minute.....

I do.
He's also the reason Lucy Beale ran away.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: DV on Friday, March 28, 2008, 16:27:55
Quote from: "Batch"

I pity anyone who has to deal with BA's customer service. Worst CS department ever. Even worse the NTL (of old). That bad.


surely you should have said 'I pity the fool...'


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, March 28, 2008, 16:59:53
Quote from: "STFC4LIFE"
Quote from: "redbullzeye"
Somebody will be blaming Malpas in a minute.....

I do.
He's also the reason Lucy Beale ran away.
I thought that was Fred Elliott's fault!! :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Sussex on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 17:34:40
15-20,000 backlog of bags now. Oh dear. That'll cost a bit in compo.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 17:53:40
Quote from: "Sussex"
15-20,000 backlog of bags now. Oh dear. That'll cost a bit in compo.


Depends at which end of the range it is I would guess. If it's only 15 it won't be much  :wink:


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Sussex on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 18:05:53
Surprising how many people will have just bought digital cameras, camcorders and mobile phones that they'll be claiming for..  :D


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 11, 2008, 10:34:08
May affect some peoples bookings with BA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7342263.stm

Quote

British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.

"It is only sensible to ensure that Terminal 5 is operating consistently at a high standard before the move begins," said BA boss Willie Walsh.

The new £4.3bn terminal has been plagued by problems, especially with its baggage handling, since it opened.

Almost all of BA's long-haul flights were supposed to switch from Terminal 4 to Terminal 5 on 30 April.

Tough opening

In a joint statement with BAA, the airports operator, BA said that: "While a normal flight schedule has been operated at Terminal 5 since Tuesday, we want to ensure that customers can be confident of high service standards when additional flights are introduced."

"We will work together to iron out any remaining problems, including the baggage system and its operation, and develop a robust timescale for phasing the move of Terminal 4 services into Terminal 5."

BA's Mr Walsh added that the companies had taken the decision "in the interests of customers".

"Though Terminal 5 is now working well, we need to have confidence that good service can be maintained when the terminal is handling larger numbers of customers."

Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved.

Customers whose terminal has been changed will be contacted shortly, BA and BAA said.

Lost bags

BAA's chief executive Colin Matthews said: "BAA fully recognises that the inauguration of Terminal Five has not been as smooth as we and BA would have wished."

"BAA regrets this postponement and we recognise the impact it has on other airlines," he added.

Terminal 5 opened on 27 March, but was not able to offer its full short-haul schedule until 8 April.

Thousands of passengers have lost their bags and hundreds of flights have been delayed or cancelled.

Last week, BA said the problems had cost it at least £16m so far.

"This is a sensible move, which gives time to make sure everything works smoothly," said Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB union.

BA shares opened 1.4% higher in London and were not significantly moved by the announcement.



Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Luci on Friday, April 11, 2008, 10:49:27
I'd definitely reconsider flying BA in the future.


Title: Re: Terminal 5
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:30:36
Quote from: "STFCLady"


Poor people this morning turning up to check in at 4am for a 06.45 flight ended up missing their flight cause staff didn't know what they were doing!


Surely somebody must have though it odd that so many people where missing from the flight, did anybody get on the plane?


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Luci on Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:32:27
Apparently the plane did leave with passengers but the systems they had in place were so bad communication wise that they didn't know where to locate the passengers in the terminal!


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:34:20
On the subject of Airports, anybody been to Singapore Airport? It is fucking ace.

You NEVER have to wait for your luggage, and on departure it has a wicked rooftop terrace bar thing overlooking the runway. Best airport I have been to by far.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:36:24
Quote from: "BANGKOK RED"
On the subject of Airports, anybody been to Singapore Airport? It is fucking ace.

You NEVER have to wait for your luggage, and on departure it has a wicked rooftop terrace bar thing overlooking the runway. Best airport I have been to by far.


Briefly as a connecting flight. I thoroughly recommend the Singapore Airways business class lounge. Didn't really leave that to be honest.


Title: Terminal 5
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, April 11, 2008, 14:40:01
I'm meant to be flying out of Terminal 5 at the end of June I think. Hopefully they'll get it all sorted by then!