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Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:32:50
erm... why was he dropped??? Maltrash didn't give many answers either after the game.

"I just felt that Phil deserved his chance and we will now see how Peter handles being out of the side and how Phil handles playing regularly again,"

Ok but what did Brez do to lose the shirt? I'm sure Phil will get better with games etc but....??? what the fuck is Malpas on?

Why was Miguel taken off instead of Ifil who had a shocking game?

Sturrock and Cox should have started at front and McGovern dropped and replaced by Roberts??


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: DV on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:36:31
Phil did well apart from the first goal.......


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:37:48
Quote from: "DV"
Phil did well apart from the first goal.......


point is... why was Brezovan dropped. Like Phil earlier in the season, what has Brezovan done to lose the shirt? Our defence seed petrified out there with Phil in goal today... Thats not a knock against Smith because he is a good keeper when fully fit etc


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: DV on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:39:23
I dont know why Brez was dropped.

But, after that performance - its the least of the worries today.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:41:31
I think everyone was suprised when Brez was dropped. Smithy wasn't helped with the defence, why do they insist on giving away stupid free kicks? The ref's aren't great, but the players dont help themselves.

Comminges looked like he was they only one who really was playing for his place in the team today IMO.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:51:27
Brezovan would have saved that freekick.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 17:52:10
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
Brezovan would have saved that freekick.

I agree


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 19:05:00
I wouldn't have started Phil Smith myself. What has Brez actually done wrong? Smith is a good keeper and he didn't play badly but to start him certainly unsettled the backline. You can't afford to take that needless risk. Just when Brez was beginning to get back into the swing of things as well.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 19:07:29
Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji"
I wouldn't have started Phil Smith myself. What has Brez actually done wrong? Smith is a good keeper and he didn't play badly but to start him certainly unsettled the backline. You can't afford to take that needless risk. Just when Brez was beginning to get back into the swing of things as well.


Exactly, when it comes down to the people that matter, why dont they see what effects it has on the players? It's probably knocked Brezovan's confidence aswell.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: fatbury on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 19:08:47
Brez showed how much better he is than Smith by not playing - another Malpas mistake


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: McLovin on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 19:44:48
Fuck off... Brez has cost us more goals that Smith. If the wall had jumped (ie done their job) Smith wouldn't have had to even move.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 20:56:19
Ifil wasn't subbed because if we're switching to three at the back, you need three centrebacks. Vincent can play Centre, Minges can't as far as we've seen.

The freekick was a carbon copy of McFaddens two hours earlier. I told the guy next to me exactly where it was going when they were lining it up, painfully obvious.

I also think Minge was on for a sending off if he'd not been subbed, and we need him on the field in the next few games.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 20:58:29
Quote from: "McLovin"
Fuck off... Brez has cost us more goals that Smith. If the wall had jumped (ie done their job) Smith wouldn't have had to even move.


if smith hadn't of hidden behind the wall, and have done what most 'keepers would do and cover the side of the goal not defended by the wall he wouldnt of had to move - the ball would of gone straight into his hands


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 20:59:28
Well, the ball only went there because he left such a massive fucking gap


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 21:05:38
smith wouldn't have made that unbelievable save vs swansea.his reach is nowhere near brez's.
any keeper standing in line of his wall has fucked up. unless the kick was taken before the whistle?
that said,brez flapped the other week against northampton when they scored.and should have done better for forests goal.and he never looks comfotable with the ball at his feet.
i guess i'm saying they both have flaws and its a close call.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 21:07:36
both have been found out a little if anything. Still good keepers, but not as good as they were made out to be at the start of the season


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 21:07:37
In favour of Smith though, put him on the wing, did you see him easily beat the on charging Warsaw player  :wink:


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: normy on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 21:46:27
We thought that the CB's have a bad habit lately of not attacking long air balls, which led to the first goal. Letting it bounce is an elementary mistake, and it has happened a lot.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 22:00:26
Quote from: "arriba"
smith wouldn't have made that unbelievable save vs swansea.his reach is nowhere near brez's.
any keeper standing in line of his wall has fucked up. unless the kick was taken before the whistle?
that said,brez flapped the other week against northampton when they scored.and should have done better for forests goal.and he never looks comfotable with the ball at his feet.
i guess i'm saying they both have flaws and its a close call.

Spot on arriba. They're both good keepers, neither's perfect, don't let's trash Smith just because some people want to go on a Malpas-hunt


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 22:03:45
have you seen this is?fucking unbelievable some of the stuff on there tonight.saying smith should be out the door and other idiotic comments.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 22:09:39
IMO, Brezovan shouldn't have been dropped, I only feel Smith was to blame for the free kick, but I think he is a very good keeper and will be key to keep hold of him.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: DMR on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 22:12:10
I'll stick my neck on the line here and say Brez hasn't been good enough to warrant keeping Smith out. I'd be chuffed if we sold him for a half a million upwards (Brez).

JPM isn't worth a place in a Sunday pub team, fuck knows what MKD's saw in him, bloke's absolutely shit and lazy to boot.

That will probably get people on here narky but I don't really care.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 22:14:14
mcgovern was awful today. that chance he fecked up in the second half summed up his game really. didn't get much service though, as we seemed pre-occuppied with long balls up to the walsall defenders


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: adje on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 23:53:39
Malpas reasons for dropping Brez "I'VE BEEN UNHAPPY WITH THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN KEEPER AND BACK FOUR AND HE WAS AT FAULT FOR THE GOAL AT FOREST"


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: JOHNNY REEVES on Sunday, February 24, 2008, 10:35:32
malpas , when he came people were saying "who"i thought give him a chance but some of his decisions ,or lack of them make me cringe.
pook on the wing
mcgovern in the middle
bring back smith ?were we realy shipping goals from the goalies point of view.
taking so long to change the ineffective wide players,and only when mcgovern went off with being embarresed{an injury that could keep him out for the season}
ikil returning to the nervous jelly mr king turned him into
aljofree dreaming of his end of season holiday.
all in all NOT HAPPY  :x


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: glos_robin on Sunday, February 24, 2008, 11:54:47
Regarding Brez and Malpas I think our 'goalkeeping coach' situation is something that urgently needs addressing. Granville is an utter clown and whilst I'm willing to give Malpas a chance I've seen enough of Granville over the past year or so to realise he is nothing more than a glorified PE teacher running around clapping his hands and telling people off. He actively encourages punching from crosses rather than catching which is just rediculous and seems to have no idea about goalkeeping as shown by his own career where he did absolutely nothing in the English game. He appears to be matey with Phil Smith and pays little attention to Brez which is odd to say the least. When you compare him to the GK coach Wise had you realise just how useless Granville is and if Brez doesn't agree with what he's saying then discent and indecision is never going to be far away.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, February 24, 2008, 13:28:51
are you judging that on how he actually coaches them every day of the week in training, or just on the half hour or so before kick off.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 24, 2008, 13:31:41
I'd have taken off McNamee and put Roberts on the left and Minge-face on the right playing as the wingers.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, February 24, 2008, 13:44:16
Quote from: "STFC dave"
are you judging that on how he actually coaches them every day of the week in training, or just on the half hour or so before kick off.
the half hour before kick off i'd assume


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: le god cuervo on Monday, February 25, 2008, 11:57:11
mcgovern has been gash for the last few games, i don't understand how he still starts every week. never looks to get in behind the full back and continually goes missing in games. roberts deserves a run in the team at the moment. in fact, I wouldn't mind seeing comminges given a go at right wing and jack smith brought back in at right-back now he's fit again.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 25, 2008, 12:26:44
Why should Sturrock start instead of Paynter? Paynter was the only player who actually came out with any credibility on Saturday!


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 25, 2008, 12:26:55
Quote from: "le god cuervo"
mcgovern has been gash for the last few games, i don't understand how he still starts every week. never looks to get in behind the full back and continually goes missing in games. roberts deserves a run in the team at the moment.

Isn't that the whole problem in a nutshell? I'd agree about JP (probably wouldn't put it quite so strongly but there you go) - he has been poor over the past few weeks, but then if the proposed answer is give Roberts a go, he's just as likely to "continually go missing".


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, February 25, 2008, 12:29:43
Quote from: "Tails"
Why should Sturrock start instead of Paynter? Paynter was the only player who actually came out with any credibility on Saturday!


I know it's insane. Paynter and Cox again tomorrow for me.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 25, 2008, 12:29:59
Put Ashikomodo dragon on the right, his crossing is awesome.  8)


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: le god cuervo on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:28:18
Quote from: "pauld"
Isn't that the whole problem in a nutshell? I'd agree about JP (probably wouldn't put it quite so strongly but there you go) - he has been poor over the past few weeks, but then if the proposed answer is give Roberts a go, he's just as likely to "continually go missing".


very true, which is why I then said get comminges on the wing & jack smith at right-back. worth a go in my opinion.

Quote
To pick out a decent performer, aside from Smith, would be a difficult task although Miguel Comminges's energy and drive down the right and Jon-Paul McGovern's desire were at least small crumbs of comfort, but not enough to prevent a crushing defeat.


what game was cryer watching? seems mcgovern is his little favourite at the moment.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:32:27
I dislike McGovern. Constantly tries the complicated and mincey when he should JUST PUT HIS FUCKING FOOT THROUGH THE BALL AT TIMES.

In fact I'm not sure why I bother going because I activly dislike about half of our team at the moment.

Fair play to paynter though, I've given him some stick on here recently but he was one of the only players (along with the minge) who deserved not to be beaten to a pulp by an angry mob after the game.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: red macca on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:34:29
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
I dislike McGovern. Constantly tries the complicated and mincey when he should JUST PUT HIS FUCKING FOOT THROUGH THE BALL AT TIMES.

In fact I'm not sure why I bother going because I activly dislike about half of our team at the moment.

Fair play to paynter though, I've given him some stick on here recently but he was one of the only players (along with the minge) who deserved not to be beaten to a pulp by an angry mob after the game.
Paynter told me to fuck off saturday.I shouted something and must of thought i meant just him :D  i like him more for that though least he gave a fuck


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:36:23
I was going to mention that as well. What did you shout?

I'm on your case pal, I've been Billys biggest fan for weeks - you're going down :D


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: red macca on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:37:25
All i said was for fucksake sort it town this is shit, which was right


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:42:52
Cant agrue with the factual content of that statement


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:49:28
Quote from: "red macca"
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
I dislike McGovern. Constantly tries the complicated and mincey when he should JUST PUT HIS FUCKING FOOT THROUGH THE BALL AT TIMES.

In fact I'm not sure why I bother going because I activly dislike about half of our team at the moment.

Fair play to paynter though, I've given him some stick on here recently but he was one of the only players (along with the minge) who deserved not to be beaten to a pulp by an angry mob after the game.
Paynter told me to fuck off saturday.I shouted something and must of thought i meant just him :D  i like him more for that though least he gave a fuck


I said I thought that was you in a different thread


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: janaage on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:49:38
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
In fact I'm not sure why I bother going because I activly dislike about half of our team at the moment.


And here lies my current problem too.  I just don't like many of our players at all.  I only have to look back to Andy King days to find a time when I liked most of our lads but these days I struggle to be enthusiastic about our current crop.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Luci on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:52:35
Quote from: "red macca"
All i said was for fucksake sort it town this is shit, which was right


Ahhh,, thats fair enough.  There were some others who continued to abuse Paynter but what you shouted was fair enough.  Players like answering you back don't they Macca, esp after Crewe Away!  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:53:47
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
In fact I'm not sure why I bother going because I activly dislike about half of our team at the moment.


And here lies my current problem too.  I just don't like many of our players at all.  I only have to look back to Andy King days to find a time when I liked most of our lads but these days I struggle to be enthusiastic about our current crop.


I think its the lack of consistancy that does it. On paper I dont think our side lacks talent. Looking back to the play off season under king we had Hewlet in midfield FFS!

Its so fucking annoying watching a player do fuck all, when you know they have the ability to rip the opposition to shreds. (pick whichever of our wingers you dislike the most)  Or to have their game drop by at least 25% because we arnt playing a big club (pretty much the rest of the team)


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: red macca on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:54:18
Nah they dont but to be fair i dont mind it shows they care at times . I just left after that anyway as i think i may of abused a little bit more


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: sonic youth on Monday, February 25, 2008, 13:58:40
mcgovern is out tomorrow anyway.

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~1249801,00.html


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Power to people on Monday, February 25, 2008, 14:11:46
I don't think over the last few games that Ifil / Aljofree have been doing that well, I think it is time for one of them to have a spell on the sidelines, I think I'd be tempted to drop Aljofree, purely for the 3rd goal we conceded on Sat where he decided to sit and watch as the player ran towards goal instead of getting back in his feet and tracking back just in case there is a chance to redeem himself, this isnt the first time he has done that either.

I'd also question McNamee he looks like can can be a good player but he does not seem to be one to get involved, he waits on the wing for the ball instead of moving about off the ball trying to make space to seems to stay still making marking him easy.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: mrOG on Monday, February 25, 2008, 16:05:33
Quote from: "Power to people"
I don't think over the last few games that Ifil / Aljofree have been doing that well, I think it is time for one of them to have a spell on the sidelines, I think I'd be tempted to drop Aljofree, purely for the 3rd goal we conceded on Sat where he decided to sit and watch as the player ran towards goal instead of getting back in his feet and tracking back just in case there is a chance to redeem himself, this isnt the first time he has done that either.

I'd also question McNamee he looks like can can be a good player but he does not seem to be one to get involved, he waits on the wing for the ball instead of moving about off the ball trying to make space to seems to stay still making marking him easy.


In the previous home game against Cheltenham, he was moving off his marker, making space to receive the ball, but all to often it was hoofed over his head.  There will only be so many times that a player can show, before they think 'am I ever going to get the ball the feet'?


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 09:57:57
Quote from: "Power to people"
I don't think over the last few games that Ifil / Aljofree have been doing that well, I think it is time for one of them to have a spell on the sidelines, I think I'd be tempted to drop Aljofree, purely for the 3rd goal we conceded on Sat where he decided to sit and watch as the player ran towards goal instead of getting back in his feet and tracking back just in case there is a chance to redeem himself, this isnt the first time he has done that either.

I'd also question McNamee he looks like can can be a good player but he does not seem to be one to get involved, he waits on the wing for the ball instead of moving about off the ball trying to make space to seems to stay still making marking him easy.


Aljofree's a waste of space and eventually everyone will come round to my way of thinking,  8)


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Luci on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 10:00:50
I don't think you can drop Aljofree though as Ifil still needs him alongside.

I'm looking forward to seeing Kanyuka when fully fit after Wrays comments Saturday.  You never know, may get a run out tonight......


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 10:06:51
drop aljofree. vincent in the middle. rodney on the left.

easy


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Colin Todd on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 10:08:18
Drop Ifil as well if super Pat is fit. They've both been as shit as each other in the last few weeks


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 10:10:37
i dont get the aljofree loving. Ifil only looks shit half the time because he has to try and clean up after aljofree has gone on a kamikaze mission for a ball he was never going to win


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: McLovin on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 10:36:30
Both Dave's are right.


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 12:05:27
Quote from: "McLovin"
Both Dave's are right.
They are also both cunts, weird eh  :D


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 13:17:58
Quote from: "red macca"
Quote from: "McLovin"
Both Dave's are right.
They are also both cunts, weird eh  :D


 :o

Malpas out!


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 13:19:09
aljofree has had more good games than bad.same goes for ifil


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 13:25:38
Quote from: "Tails"
Quote from: "red macca"
Quote from: "McLovin"
Both Dave's are right.
They are also both cunts, weird eh  :D


 :o

Malpas out!
i dont want malpas out


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 13:28:24
I know, neither do I. Beginning to feel we may be in a minority now though...


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 13:29:05
Maplas in


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 13:32:00
Maplin? Prefer Currys  :wink:


Title: Brezovan/Ifil/McGovern...
Post by: DV on Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 18:13:18
no matter how often its said, or how many daves say it...

....it wont be true.