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Title: Overrated 11
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 19:50:51
Following on from the other two threads.
I'm stil trying to think.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 19:54:17
Derby County!!


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 20:35:38
Van der Sar

Lescott
Micah Richards
Darren Moore
John Terry

Babel
Flamini
Phil Neville
A Lennon

Tevez
Kuyt

All cunting rubbish


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 20:35:38
Van der Sar

Lescott
Micah Richards
Darren Moore
John Terry

Babel
Flamini
Phil Neville
A Lennon

Tevez
Kuyt

All cunting rubbish


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 20:45:37
Cech

Neville
Terry
Toure
Cole

Babel
Lampard
Carrick
Lennon

Kuyt
Crouch

All appear to be recognised as international class, maybe even world class in some cases, but just dont do it for me....especially that cunt JT...disgusts me that he captains our country


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 20:46:11
........................Van Der Sar
Richards...Ferdiand...Terry...Cole
Lennon...Gerrard...Lampard...Babel
....................Rooney...Kuyt


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 20:53:29
Quote from: "Panda Paws"

All appear to be recognised as international class, maybe even world class in some cases, but just dont do it for me....especially that cunt JT...disgusts me that he captains our country


I hate him so much you wouldn't believe it.

I could easily rattle off a load of these teams. Those who also came close include Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Gareth Barry... all fucking dreadful when it really mattered for England, its fine being half decent against some dross team at Wembley but when the crunch came they were all shit.

Wankers.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 21:11:45
Quote from: "DMR"
Quote from: "Panda Paws"

All appear to be recognised as international class, maybe even world class in some cases, but just dont do it for me....especially that cunt JT...disgusts me that he captains our country


I hate him so much you wouldn't believe it.

I could easily rattle off a load of these teams. Those who also came close include Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Gareth Barry... all fucking dreadful when it really mattered for England, its fine being half decent against some dross team at Wembley but when the crunch came they were all shit.

Wankers.


i might be being thick, but you mentioned them anyway


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 21:45:43
Oh yeah  8)


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: swindon-chap on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 21:53:54
Quote from: "STFC4LIFE"
........................Van Der Sar
Richards...Ferdiand...Terry...Cole
Lennon...Gerrard...Lampard...Babel
....................Rooney...Kuyt


Basically the whole England squad then!


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: blinkpip on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 22:11:12
Pennant
Albert Jarrett
Mikel
Lennon
Carson


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 23:19:43
Reina

Cole Hyypia Ben Haim Brown

Malouda Ballack Flamini Dyer

Carlton Cole Saha


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 23:21:05
Emphasis on the "11", barry


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 23:28:27
Quote from: "STFC dave"
Emphasis on the "11", barry


I'll separate the players with lines! :D

Quote from: "Barry Scott"
Reina

Cole | Hyypia | Ben Haim | Brown

Malouda | Ballack | Flamini | Dyer

Carlton Cole | Saha


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 23:30:15
doh


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 23:36:23
cant be arsed to do 11 but paul robinson is a must.
cashley cole is another.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 23:40:26
Robinson

Finnan
Carragher
Ben Haim
A.Cole

Pennant
Mikel
Lampard
Kewell


Viduka
Crouch


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 00:40:07
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Crouch is easily the most underrated player in the premiership by the average fan, the average guy who knows nothing about football but watches sky sports one every few months thinks he's crap, when they've never even seen him play live, anyone who knows football well and basically all football managers know he's a great player.

Lampard also cannot be considered overrated, your average England fan thinks he's crap because that's the bandwagon view now, he's actually not crap, so he's underrated.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 07:46:45
Ballack, over-rated, you must be fucking joking


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Tails on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 08:32:59
Crouch and Viduka over rated my backside!


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: red macca on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 08:56:26
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Crouch is easily the most underrated player in the premiership by the average fan, the average guy who knows nothing about football but watches sky sports one every few months thinks he's crap, when they've never even seen him play live, anyone who knows football well and basically all football managers know he's a great player.

Lampard also cannot be considered overrated, your average England fan thinks he's crap because that's the bandwagon view now, he's actually not crap, so he's underrated.
im on no bandwagon mate he is good but no where near as good as he believes he is


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: janaage on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 09:08:44
I agree with BWB, Crouch and Lampard aren't over rated at all.  Crouch in fact is a very good footballer.  

Lampard does a very good job for club and at times for country too.  Okay so Lampard and Gerrard don't seem to gel together for england, but that doesn't mean either are crap.


Title: Re: Lampard
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 10:40:09
I've always been a bit mystified how a midfielder who has scored 20+ goals a season for 3 seasons+ can be overrated. There's not many of that ilk. There's not many who score half what he scores.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: cib on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:01:05
Robinson

Cole
Carragher
King
Finnan

Wright-Phillips
Carrick
Mikel
Kewell

Crouch
Ashton

I realise most of them are English, just the ones that came to my head.

Regarding Crouch, for every 10-15 half to good chances he gets he puts 1 away. That is not good enough. He can control the ball initially but then fuck it up all too often - like on Tuesday night, he bought the ball down on his chest took a touch and then he kneed it and blew the chance. Also the number of chances at Chelsea week before. And why can't he head the ball?! He's average.


Title: Re: Lampard
Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:04:47
Quote from: "Barry Scott"
I've always been a bit mystified how a midfielder who has scored 20+ goals a season for 3 seasons+ can be overrated. There's not many of that ilk. There's not many who score half what he scores.


Thats true. He's clearly not crap.

Its just that he seems to have very little use to a team other than to be the most attacking part of a 3 man midfield who is encouraged to follow up knock downs from the big target man, and has 2 holding players covering his share of the defensive work.

Put him in a flat midfield 4 and he is consistantly anonyomous. Chelseas team is perfectly set up to suit him. Ask him to do anything else other than that and he looks medicore at best


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:11:51
thats like saying put petr cech up front and then judging his performances. Attacking midfield is his position. Technicaly lampards a better footballer than gerrard, but because gerrard runs around and huffs and puffs he's viewed as the better player


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: red macca on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:17:57
Quote from: "STFC dave"
thats like saying put petr cech up front and then judging his performances. Attacking midfield is his position. Technicaly lampards a better footballer than gerrard, but because gerrard runs around and huffs and puffs he's viewed as the better player
on what basis


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:20:36
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Crouch is easily the most underrated player in the premiership by the average fan, the average guy who knows nothing about football but watches sky sports one every few months thinks he's crap, when they've never even seen him play live, anyone who knows football well and basically all football managers know he's a great player.

Lampard also cannot be considered overrated, your average England fan thinks he's crap because that's the bandwagon view now, he's actually not crap, so he's underrated.



on this i agree with you 100%. :shock:


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:21:12
On the fact he has a better range of passing, better vision. I'm just repeating what european football people say, but if an italian or top spanish team had to choose between lampard or gerrard they would pick lampard, because he isn't so headless-chicken like.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: red macca on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:29:50
Fair enough


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Sussex on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 11:31:04
Can't be arsed to do 11, but Van der Sar would not be included if I could.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 14:20:23
Quote from: "STFC dave"
thats like saying put petr cech up front and then judging his performances. Attacking midfield is his position. Technicaly lampards a better footballer than gerrard, but because gerrard runs around and huffs and puffs he's viewed as the better player


Its nothing like that at all.

Lampard is exceptionally good at arriving in the box and finishing. Thats it. The rest of his game is mediocre for a top level midfielder.

The fact that he cant play in even a slightly differing position ie centre mid in 4-4-2 without looking half the player shows this.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 19:55:38
Quote from: "red macca"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Crouch is easily the most underrated player in the premiership by the average fan, the average guy who knows nothing about football but watches sky sports one every few months thinks he's crap, when they've never even seen him play live, anyone who knows football well and basically all football managers know he's a great player.

Lampard also cannot be considered overrated, your average England fan thinks he's crap because that's the bandwagon view now, he's actually not crap, so he's underrated.
im on no bandwagon mate he is good but no where near as good as he believes he is
Well yeah he isn't as good as he thinks he is but that only means he's overrated by himself, he is better than most people think though. My point is just that for players to be overrated most people have to rate them highly when they're not really as good as they're made out to be.

 I'd say Micah Richards is a bit overrated at the moment, he's got a lot of potential but there's a long way to go. Andy Johnson's always been a bit overrated and a lot of people seem to rate Dean Ashton higher than he has justifed as well.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: strooood on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 20:43:16
ashley young and michael essien.


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: JPC82 on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 21:36:25
Quote from: "strooood"
ashley young and michael essien.


 :nono:


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, February 21, 2008, 23:31:02
Calamity James

Wes Brown
Rio Ferdinand
Senderos
Cashley Cole

Downing
Gerrard
Ballack
Wright-Phillips

Owen
Rooney


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: Noel Gallagher on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 22:01:23
Robert Green

Willy Sagnol
John Terry
Matthew Upson
Ashley Cole

David Beckham (Biggest waste of space to ever grace a pitch)
Frank Lampard
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Arjen Robben

Peter Crouch
Miroslav Klose


Title: Overrated 11
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, February 23, 2008, 23:46:39
Quote from: "Summerof69"
Calamity James

Wes Brown
Rio Ferdinand
Senderos
Cashley Cole

Downing
Gerrard
Ballack
Wright-Phillips

Owen
Rooney

Downing? Everybody thinks he's shit :?