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Surely he will be sacked if they get beat by milan . Bit of a weird one this he has won more in the last few years than wenger but just seems to be under more and more pressure.

the problem is the fans expectations.

Liverpool fans expect to be challenging for the title, the problem is apart from Torres and Reina their players arent good enough.

Ooopps! Accidental edit!

Rafa spent 46 mill in the summer on players and sit 19 points behind Arsenal.  The squad they have they should be challenging.  Just not happening this year.

Perhaps the off field antics with the US owners could be affecting them?  We all know thats a possibility.....

But then thats Benitez fault he has been there long enough to get the right players in.

No, their squad shouldn't be challenging - they're not good enough.

Take Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd. How many Liverpool players would get into any of those three teams? Reina maybe, Gerrard and Torres. That's it. The rest of the Liverpool team are nothing but Premiership squad players.

But then thats Benitez fault he has been there long enough to get the right players in.

exactly, and thats why their going no where with him in charge

Right so the problem isn't the fans' expectations so much as the manager's poor recruitment - he's been damn lucky that Gerrard hauled him out of a hole in two cup finals which has papered over the cracks of quite how mediocre he actually is (Benitez, not Gerrard).

absolute rubbish dv.gerrard is a top player for a start.add carragher to that aswell.fact is they aint clicked as a team.
they have spent loads of dosh and aint delivered.but mostly the scousers still back the manager.i think they've gone easy on benitez.

They'd be doing much better than they are right now if he kept a settled line up week-in week-out. Their squad probably is capable of pushing for the title, but because he has the urge to change the team every week they never will

I've never really got the rotation thing to be honest.

Gerrard is a good player, but overrated.

Carragher for all his blood, guts, determination and committment is not a top quality defender.

He wouldnt get a look in ahead of Ferdinand & Vidic, Toure & Gallas or Terry & Carvalho.....

Are you mental

Gerrard is the best English midfielder in the world at the moment.

nope, good player dont get me wrong.....but not as good as the media make him out to me.

He is not a World Class player, he is not the best midfielder in the world.....

Again, you think back to the great premiership midfields and Gerrard wouldnt get into them.

I disagree mate he could play in any midfield in the world

I didn't say he was, I said he's the best English midfielder in the world.

  Are there any English midfielders, apart from Beckham outside England?

I didnt see your post because the TEF is being ghey and taking ages to post...

that says more about the state of the English National team than it does Gerrard and Joe Cole is just as good, if not better...

I know I am biased but Ballack is better than Gerrard

And Reina is a clown

what did i tell you about smoking crack? he is a right footed left winger for fucksake

and....?

being a right footed left winger doesnt make him any less of a player?

In my eyes it does Dv if he is that good why not play him on the right? Cole and gerrard are not the same league

because there is a lack of left wingers....

the fact he can play on the left, despite being right footed shows he can play different positions.

Chelsea play him on the right a fair bit anyway.

how can you compare joe cole and gerrard? both bring different qualities to a team.but if i had to have one i'd take gerrard every time.
i judge top players in the prem by comparing them to their peers in the same postions.
gerrard would walk into any prem side easily.

DV has to much pride to say he's wrong.

Oh, and Gerrard is better than Ballack.

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Gerrard and Ballack are too different players. Ballack is a sitting midfielder and Gerrard is a driving Midfielder. The Problem with Rafa is that he not playing his absolute strongest team. They need to buy a quality right winger i think Joaquin from Valencia will suit that. Play Benayoun on the left and switch Babel up front with Torres.

I disagree, Ballack can do both equally as effective. Which he has proved at the World Cup

For what it's worth, I also think Gerrard is over rated.
And Scholes is just as good as him.

benitez will be sacked if they lose to milan,

fucking idiot will be in the wrong place, they are playing inter.

 :soapy tit wank:

Scholes is better, always has been - always will be

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We'd be an ace management team  8)

scholes cannot tackle.great player but not the complete midfielder for that reason.
gerrard can do everything.

Sometimes a limited role is more effective though, Makelele is a pretty incomplete player but damn I'd put him in any World XI (A few years ago certainly)

Also,cant ever see Gerrard doing a Scholes or Carragher ware the dummies go flying out the pram when the going gets tough,scholes is class but Gerrard is number one by along way and will be for years.

They're all shit!

Id agree with that,

Gerrard is probably a better player than the likes of Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson etc....but I dont think he'd get into Manchester Uniteds midfield....

....everyone else, behave.

Scholes in his prime was much better than Gerrard is now.

Bobby Charlton was probably a better player in his day.

Overrated waste of space  :D

....nice hairstyle though but

Gerrard is not over rated but I sort of agree about scholes but they are different midfielders . I have seen gerrard play in every position in midfield and at right back and up front.When scholes was asked to play on the left he was ineffective and retired from international football so he did not have to play on the left.

Gerrard was the best player on the pitch last night v the reigning and soon to be this seasons Serie A champs, who featured a weath of talent from around the world.  Quite how he can be consider over -rated is beyond me.

As for the comparrison with Scholes, Scholes is a more technical ball player with better vision. However Gerrard is faster, stronger, better in the air, a better tackler and has better stamina.

To me Gerrard and Rooney are Englands only 2 world class players, withe the likes of Joe Cole, Ferdinand and a few others ath the level below world class. whatever that is

Agree ferdind seems to have improved this year

World Class = actually done something of note at the world cup

what like roger milla

Well he has done more than Rooney at the World Cup (upto now)

two words:

George Best.

Herman, your argument is fatally flawed, i'm afraid.

how many games has rooney played in the world cup. Gerrard was disapointing in the world cup but there is no doubting he is world class

We had this arguement before, and there are so many examples that prove jurgen wrong

world class to me means, could the player get in a world elite 11 team?
if not then they aint world class.i think colin is spot on about rooney and gerrard.

Indeed that is why I have said upto now for Rooney he could yet do it.
Gerrard was disappointing whilst the real 'world class' players stand up and be counted on what is undoubtably the biggest stage

total bollocks. plently of great players have had bad world cups due to poor form, fitness or bad management.   So we should just ignore the rest of their careers where they have been quality in favour of a 1 month period every 4 years???

Henry for example has never been great at a WC, are you seriously telling me that he wasnt one of the top 3 players in the world 3-6 years ago

Yes, without doubt a great player but not World Class

these sort of things are all opinions really for me i would have gerrard in my 11

I don't think there's any arguments on here that haven't been done at least three times.

And I'd have Mooney back.  :D

are you gay?

HOW CAN YOU BE ONE OF THE TOP 3 PLAYERS IN THE WORLD OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME (not anymore mind) AND NOT BE WORLD CLASS YOU GOON?

What?!?! Henry was one of, if not THE, best player in the world not to long ago....

What if there are more than 11 world class players or is that impossible by definition