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For those at work who want to see it the BBC have a live stream from this page:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7228670.stm

my friend is there - he did a documentary about it

I didnt really know much about it so got my dad to tell me all about it at the weekend. My dad says he can remember clearly when he found out Duncan Edwards died as he was his boyhood hero.

I'm just finishing my third supplement about it for Sunday's derby.

Ive just been sorting out my pc sound so I can see it at work.

Can't even describe the gutting feeling even though I wasn't alive.  its weird.

Got to say it's refreshing to see 1-11 on the Man U retro kits against City today.

no offence but couldnt really give a shit, happened years before i was born to people i dont know at a club i couldnt give a shit about. i dont see any ceremonys for that airliner oceanic flight 815 that disapeared over the pacific a few years ago, theyve been lost for years.

i agree partly like when they say how brave the players were to survive the crash, people survive and die in plane crashes all the time

Was great to see both sets of fans be respectful. If you want to see the prematch ceremony here is the link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/sol/newsid_7230000/newsid_7237600?redirect=7237634.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: at the last bit.

I sort of agree with you though. I don't really have any emotions about the Munich disaster. In fact I thought the thread would be about some war related ceremony  :oops:

it doesn't mean much to me but it's a huge part of man utd's history. we'd have done the same.

What were the explosions about? Some people are saying it was planned, one for each death, but if it was 5Live certainly didn't know about it, they were having a right tizz over it.

But there were only 5 explosions

It was a good ceremony. I'm not a Man U fan by any means. Not even close. I do love the history and tradition of the game though and the Munich air crash is an integral part of that and the 50th anniversary needed to be properly commemorated.

I personally am very glad that no pissed up/charlied up City fans started singing "Who's that dying on the runway" or something of that nature during the minute's silence. That would have been toe curlingly embarassing.

Those gun shots/explosions were very random though. I do wonder if they were anything to do with it at all :shock:

probably more to do with it being chinese new year

clearly someone outside trying to ruin the minutes silence. Atleast the people inside respected it.

Nothing was mentioned before about any gunshots, hmmmm :?

things is really. it shows how society is really. Any normal human being must have respect for people who died in that air crash. Its just common sense so really no one should be saying oh well done city fans etc when it should be natural. Sadly the society we live in, it doesnt work like that.

Im in the "couldnt give a fuck" camp to be honest.

I have no affiliation with Man Utd but did feel a lump in the throat with the sky build up. Bobby Charlton speaking about it was very moving I found.

I was just reading about Harry Gregg, the Man U keeper who survived the crash and saved others, I never knew he was Lou Macari's assistant in the 1986 Div 4 winning team.

I watched a show with Harry Gregg, it was really moving.

Some real ANTI Man u fans on here....did you give a shit when Jimmy Davis died,and we had a memorial match with his family here,because i wont ever forget him and he wasnt even a Swindon player,just because its 50 years on so what,you cant compare it to a plane crash with people on board who arnt idolized by thousands of people.....if Swindon Town ever lost a team in tragic circumstances i would remember them for ever,thats    all that Bobby Charlton and Man u are doing with those who died at Munich.

I cared about Davis because he played here and put his heart and soul into it.His death touched this club.

I think the whole Munich thing has been pretty much Media led.Certainly the Manc clubs are right to commemerate it but its been built up as some sort of national thing and quite frankly it isnt.Sure it was a sad event but equally tragic things happen every year.Do we commemerate them?

Like I said ,its sad but its fuck all to do with me or STFC.

England players too red......not just Man U .....but ware all entitled to our opinions Oevil!

for people who dont give a fuck, can you just keep that to yourselves, its like if someones mum died that i didint know but people i know knew her, i wouldnt be going around saying "ahh, i didint know her, why shuold i care"

at the end of the day its someones life, something that should be respected regarles of your relationship with the persons.

No I cant keep it to myself.

Just because you are addicted to phoney grief dont expect everyone to be.

Fucking spot on polish boy, it was tragic as are many things in life, but keep your views to yourself.

i agree chubbs, but the people who dont care dont want it shoved in there faces in every paper they read and all over the tv for the last few weeks

and its nothing like if someones mum died either.

if someones Mum died I'd feel bad that person because I'd know them (the person not the mum) and because it was current.

not at all, i just have respect where its due

Not saying I dont,I am however saying its not a matter of national importance.

Its the same as when famous people/footballers die and we have a thread on here where everyones giving it " RIP" etc.Its bollocks no one really cares.

Thing is Red,i know ware your coming from,alot of people were grief stricken when Lady Dianna died i wasnt,but i wouldnt i nsult the people who were upset by saying....Frankly i dont give a fuck,i was braught up to respect what other people think,,,,,call me old fashioned!!!

it may sound harsh what Yeovil is saying but its true, none of u on here saying RIP Jeremy Beadle have thought of him the last few days i bet, full of shit

To be honest I think the whole Diana thing was the start of my "grief fatigue"I just couldnt understand why people were wallowing in self pity and grieving for her and still cant.It drives me insane.

taking five seconds to type the words R.I.P. in memory of someone who you may have liked / entertained you does not equate to grieving. it's a mark of respect, nothing else

People were taking the piss out of Beadle in that very same thread - I'm sure it was Chubbs that posted the picture of the 'Beadle controller'.

It's not liek people have gone onto a message board dedicated to the tribute of those players and said "I don't give a shit." It's more like a "oh, I see this has spilled onto our very own Swindon Town forum. Fair enough, but I don't actually have any emotions about that."

hold on a minute people i wasnt having a go at anyone for grieving. if you want to greive over something that happened before you were born then go for it, all im saying is its not for me. it was a tragic accident, why are they "better" than the kid who got hit by a car in brighton today? because he didnt play for england?

I'll just say one thing on this -  I grew up in the 60's and the Munich crash was still very big news in football annuals and comics - just about the only thing we had to keep in touch with footy news in those days.  Just as I was starting to realise football was a passion, for me and not like any other sport, Man U produced the team with Best, Charlton, Kidd and Law etc.  I never felt I wanted to support Man U - in those fucking days you supported the nearest club to where you lived - but I still enjoyed the way they played and the fact that they won the European Cup.  When they did, all the stories of Munich were brought back as Busby had defied the odds and finally achieved what he should have done in 1958.  This will always have a profound effect on me cos like JFK getting shot, Winston Churchills funeral and the Ibrox disaster, it's part of my early history.  I can see how people younger than me may well question WTF it's all about but to me it still looms large. Fair do's for the City fans realising they had one of their own to mourn and not shitting on the minute silence.  PS: I totally agree with the Diana stuff - it was the most mawkish, sentimental bollox I have ever seen.

Gunshot-just another day in Moss side

It would have had to be a fucking big gun to be heard at Old Trafford  :shock:

Wasn't born and really couldn't care less. Find it all very annoying the way it is wall to wall media coverage. If the manc's wanna do it fine but don't force it on everyone else.

May I also remind people that this is a fourm which means a palce to exchange views so telling people to keep there views to themself is a bit fucking darft.

going back to the point about people mums dying my mum died a few years ago my mates rallied round and help me thourgh although they weren't greving I knew they were worried about me which was nice. on the other hand were they sad that a women they had never really knew and met a handful of times died I doubt it and rightly so.

I was just gutted we would never get to play on the automatic door and ceiling stair lift thing, they were the days

 :D

sorry should we have set up a perminant shrine to Jeremey Beadle in our homes and offices so he never left our thoughts for one moment  :roll:

that would have been handy!

pun intended?

"Find it all very annoying the way it is wall to wall media coverage. If the manc's wanna do it fine but don't force it on everyone else."

The Mancs haven't forced it on anyone. It was a big deal for them as a city, and rightly so, and whether you'e interested or not it helps newspapers sell more, or tv programmes get a bigger audience. Doesn't mean you have to buy em or watch it, does it?

He was assistant when Macari took over in 1984; but they both got sacked in Easter 1985 because they hadn't spoken for several weeks. As everyone knows Macari got re-instated 5 days later; Gregg didn't.

So although he was here; he wasn't assistant in 1986; he went the previous year.