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Right this had got to stop, I can cope with the bloke poncing about on the wing but all his good attributes are wasted when he's central and he brings nothing worthwile in there.

agree.
we miss easton badly

we missed JPM out wide today.

Roberts end product was non-existant today.

To be fair to Roberts, whats the point in crossing to an empty box.

roberts was dire and should have been subbed imo

To be fair to everyone else, whats the point of getting into the box when you know Roberts is going to cut inside, run sideways into players then pass it backwards?

we miss Pook in the middle .. get him in there Malpas!

Shut up  :)

No we don't...we miss Easton there.

But fully agree about JPM, get him back on the wing...sharpish.

We miss Darren Bullock...

We played with two wide men who we hardly gave any service to, especially in the first half.
They played three in the middle and overran us, JPM was chasing shadows, thank goodness Peacock showed class, he was a one man crusade in the middle of the park.

What is the point of playing two wide men if you dont feed them.

Despite everything, we would have won IMO if Zaboob had performed properly. What was up with him?  Half-hearted, giving it away, fanny-flicking, and one of his cock-ups leading to the corner and goal. I don't often rage at our own players, but he maddened me and quite a few others around me. I was actually hoping he would come on as sub too, as I do rate his ability.

Agreed.

Fanny- flicking.

 :king:

If only :(

minge + roberts on the wing is nowhere near as effective as the minge + jp combination. i thought he struggled to get in the game in central midfield to be honest.

roberts flattered to deceive, as did macnamee. i thought zaaboub did well when he came on, putting some crosses in and dragging their defence out of position.

minge was poor.but both him and vincent had a  ack options when in possesion of the ball.roberts and the new lads flaws were highlighted big time in that department.

Roberts was so cack, that after about 60 minutes I would have been tempted to haul him off and put Pook on and move JPM out wide.

 :shock:

JPM is shite in centre mid.

He's started to form a good partnership with the minge but in fairness it would have been fuvking harsh to have left robets out after a good goal on tues

said the same myself during the game dv.i would have brought both wide men off at the same time(a little after taking the lead)
put pooky in the middle,zaboob out left, and jp wide right.

I thought McNamee was doing ok out wide, but  I really dont know why we signed him.

There is a very good chance that we will NEVER get a full 90 minutes out of him. He didnt seem to actually get past his man much.

Roberts, was just rubbish. I only remember one decent cross all game and stop letting him take the bloody corners!

I said earlier, why have two wide men if you dont feed them, they overran us in the middle of midfield today, two against three and JPM playing so badly one against three on most occasions, thank goodness for Peacock.

You sound like the guy I was sitting next to today and talking about this very subject DV. You need pace out wide, Roberts and McNamee have the tricks to beat a man, but they recover and they have to beat them again.

you do not need pace out wide, you people who can cross the ball.

Roberts and McNamee have the tricks to beat a man, but if you dont deliver whats the point? Ricky Shakes had the pace to beat full backs but that was it.

The wingers didnt get alot today, but they did very little with it when they did get it. All Roberts does is run sideways.

macnamee need to get the basics right first-ie play the way your facing.if he's decent the rest will follow.
he turned into trouble many times today when in possesion. and first half his positioning was very poor off the ball.it did improve after half time.
roberts was dire and stayed on because he scored in the week.
he plays in fits and starts, and not enough delivered overall.bye bye at the seasons end will be best for all concerned in his regard.bench at best from now in

Shakes not the greatest example of a winger ...
Nothing is more frightening to a defender than PACE, if you've played the game to a good level you would understand.

I was about to go to sleep then DV, you disturbed my sleep.

How the fuck can a wide man deliver a cross without beating the fullback in the first place, which of course would invovle some PACE and dribbling skills?

chris waddle......

:soapy tit wank:

macnamee is full of tricks but ends up doing pirouettes on the spot because he doesn't have the space to get the cross in. roberts can cross but prefers to cut inside, often ending up on the other side of the pitch in the process.

despite my misgivings of mcgovern, he can beat his man and cross the ball. so can zaaboub.

Ricky Shakes is not a professional footballer but has pace.
David Beckham never had pace but did alright for himself.

the difference, Beckham can cross the ball.

I know pace out wide does scare defenders, but its pretty pointless if you scare the defenders get past them, then stop, cut back, let the defender recover, do a step over, cut inside, step over, keep going, run into the centre backs and pass it.

the end product has to be there, thats the point of wingers.

Im sure Roberts running towards a full back scares them a hell of a lot more than them watching JPM having the ball in a bit of space 5 yards back but we all know which one will provide the better delivery.

matt letiss....

David Beckham.

jp and zaboob are our best wide options overall easily imo.

Beckham was never a winger.

David Beckham the world superstar versus Division One footballers - now that is some comparison.
Today Lennon would put the shits up me more than Beckham, five years ago no.
Beckham is no slow-coach DV, saying that he has played the majority of his football in a centre midfield position only in the latter days was he thrown out to wings to accommodate Lampard and Gerrard at international level, and for Real Madrid they needed to put him in the team because of the shirt sales.

David Beckham has always played wide right of the midfield four!? that makes him a winger, no?



Lennon would probably put the shits into you as the full back and cause many more problems than Beckham would, easily....

However, Beckham would get more crosses into the box and of better quality as well.

beckham has always played out wide, bar a period at real when he played centrally to accomodate figo

Hahahaha DV got burned. Yeah DV, you suck or you'd understand.

Dell Boy, your burns suck, if you'd burned people at a higher level then you'd know why.

I'm getting told Aaron Lennon is a better winger because he's got pace than David Beckham who has got a quality cross on him.

burned, I think not  8)

ICE BURRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNN

dell boy former pro?mmmmmm

im sure he posted before he'd played against/for Southampton in the FA Cup

i know that dv.too many headers might explain it?

yes but i think he inferred that we shouldn't ask further questions.

I've had many speedy professional wingers trying to roast me f in my day thanks Flammable, and those were the days when you were allowed to give them a good kick in the first five minutes and get away with it, if you didn't they would torture you for the rest of match, it was the only way to slow down some of those buggers down.

I think his career ended because he lacked pace as a winger and now he's upset.

boo he posted before me

No one has ever asked me who I've played for as far as I can remember, Southampton was one of the sides, Brentford was another, if I give the other club than Reg Smeeton will look me up and then you know what a bad player I actually was.

NO DV.

Having a midfielder playing wide does not automatically make him a winger, Beckham was never a winger at least not from every single England match that I can remember him playing in.

Rather he was a Right Midfielder DV. His job was NEVER to skin the opposing fullback, take it to the byline and the whip in a cross, ect ect.

If you remember Beckham's balls came from deep in midfield, regardless of what position he was playing in.

Becks was a world class midfielder DV, be it in the centre or on the right, but he was NEVER a winger. There is a BIG difference.

What the fuck does speedy wingers have to do with your burning ability? I think my point has been made.

Someone seems a bit touchy.

Difference of opinion.

You have a goal keeper, two full backs, two centre backs, two wingers, two central midfielders and two strikers.

If you play furthest right or left of the midfield you are playing on the wings, therefore a winger.

Beckhams job has always been to get crosses into the box for the strikers, which is exactly the job of a winger?!

What the fuck are you on about, obviously too many people brought you pints today. :roll:

i think dell is wrong but right too :?
if someone is running at you as a defender with the ball then it is the hardest thing to judge.
but if the delivery from a slower player is lethal enough then pace is irrelivant.
its all down to the individual defending each situation.
pace and delivery then you are up against it big time.

I remember a post of yours saying that you scored for Southampton in the cup.

I never scored/played for my school Dell. I bet you is a better player than me.

my mistake, i think it was the famous friends thread i was thinking of.

anyway, we are ever so fortunate to have the esteemed presence of an ex-pro amongst us.

No that is not correct - if you played Pook, Easton, Peacock and Allen in the middle who is the winger? Answer none of them, they are playing four across the middle of the park.

yup, summed it up really....

Wingers job is to get the ball into the box for the strikers, JPM is slower than Roberts and less tricky but has a much better delivery, hence I'd rather have him out wide.

All the pace and ability to beat the full back is pointless to the team, if your final ball is pants.

Its all total bullshit Sonic, you know the truth you can take the piss with your rapier wit, but I have the scars and memories to prove otherwise.

If, they are lining up as you typed them

Pook - Easton - Peacock - Allen

Then Pook and Allen are the wingers because they are playing out wide.

becks and bentley,both wide players,not wingers. but lennon and swp play the same postion and would possibly be more classed as wingers.
no right or wrong answers really

hehehe

how come you're allowed to take the piss out of me when i get fucked around by a job agency, but i can't make a glib remark about you being an ex-pro?

Nah I'm sober. No alcohol has passed my lips for a few days now.

I just think that comments like, "Well if you'd [insert patronising shit here] then you'd understand. Are a really shit way of trying to make yourself look knowledgeable by putting down the other person. In general it just makes you look like a bit of a knob.

Hence the burning thing. I don't really give a shit about the whole winger bollocks.

you both get touchy at times imo.

Right the delivery from the wing can be played into the box from the half way line, near the area, etc etc.
The most frightening thing for a defender is when he gets to that bye-line, and to go past the defender you need not just skill but pace to get thre, someone like JPM does not have that pace to get to the bye-line but he can produce a deadly pass from inside the opponents half.

At the end of the day whats easier to stop, a good crosser of the ball, mark tight, or a player who will take you on with pace get to the bye-line and then deliver.

I agree with Dell. You can play a 'narrow' midfield 4 without out and out wingers. They are right and left midfielders, a position I have played many times a fair few year ago. I was definitely not a winger!

probably the pacey guy if he's got a good delivery.....in Swindon context Roberts doesnt and the assist column would suggest JPM is harder to stop!

Alf Ramsey didn't have wingers

I think we should sign Beckham and play him on the right because he's always played there, except for a spell at Real Madrid where he played centrally to accommodate Figo.

Any chance of a signed shirt, an old pair of boots or an autographed ball?







from Flamma Bleben I mean. Just anything but a signed photograph.

Don't think I have any spare shirts, don't have any football boots or a ball. I'm sure I can find something lying around to sign. I could sign my name across your tits if you want?

No thanks, as you'd become neBelb ammalf and I would always look down on you. Some things should be revered for eternity.

Our best wide option imo is actually comminges hence the reason Jpm gets time to deliver the ball.Roberts and comminges just does not work so we need mcgovern back on the wing asap

That and the fact McGovern looks more lost in the centre than he does on the wing. He's disappointed me in every position, to be honest.

That's what his missus says as well.............................

 :nod:

 :shrug:

Can i scar you :D

Of course Macca anytime 8)

Shit hot . Lets bring the chelsea smile back in fashion