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Title: Beckham
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:08:56
According to SSN has been left out of the squad for the forthcoming game against Switzerland. Capello said due to lack of match fitness.

Good.

Unfair for him to walk into the team having not played a competitive match for 10 weeks or whatever it is. Id have Bentley in instead.


Title: Beckham
Post by: red macca on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:11:53
Agree with what you say Tans  and no he does not deserve to be in the team .

Part of me though thinks in a friendly with unlimited subs it would be a nice gesture to even bring him on with 1 min left.

Did not think i would ever say this but over the last 10 years with everything he has given the country i just think he deserves his 100th england cap .


Title: Beckham
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:12:13
think he deserved a start .. even if only for 45 minutes .. for his 100th cap and to say goodbye really ...

his own fault in a way tho .. surely he could have signed for Arsenal on loan where he is training with them .. couldve filled in for Eboue whilst he is in Africa


Title: Beckham
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:20:36
One problem there though Fatbury, to go on loan, his club have to agree to it.


Title: Beckham
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:21:46
I think they would have allowed it somehow ...


Title: Beckham
Post by: pumbaa on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:21:46
LA Galaxy wouldn't let him, although they were happy enough to let him train there.


Title: Beckham
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:30:33
Gutted for Becks, To be fair he has done a lot for England and is probably the only player who looks to care about playing for England and does not take it forgranted. I hope he gets his 100th cap he deserves it then say goodbye. He could have come on for 5 minutes at the end crowd could chant "one david beckham" and that be the end of it and the end of his england career as we do need to move on.

There is still no player who is more influencial for Becks for England however his time has passed.


Title: Beckham
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:34:07
I cannot believe he is still being considered, well past his best.
He will get to 100 caps - not because he is now any good but for the circus of media that follows him around


Title: Beckham
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:34:25
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Title: Beckham
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:38:02
As the stats proved when MacLaren 'experimented'. No one on the right wing was able to do anything. Becks comes back, crosses come in with quality and we start to score. Apart from Bentley, most of the alternatives, when played for England, are a bit like Shakes.

Beckham still deserves to be in the squad on ability alone.


Title: Beckham
Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:39:47
Becks should demand a loan to a Premiership team like Fulham or soemthing, will help keep Fulham up and be central to Wembley etc as well as keeping up his match fitness.


Title: Re: Beckham
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:39:57
Quote from: "tans"
Unfair for him to walk into the team having not played a competitive match for 10 weeks or whatever it is.

He hasn't played a competitive game for a lot longer than that - he's been playing in the MLS remember  :D


Title: Beckham
Post by: stfctownenda on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:45:40
Quote from: "arriba"
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Not about what Beckhams done now though its about what he has done in the past, the effort, desire and passion he has shown for the national team over the past 10 years is an example to all of those other big time charlies who just turn up and are no where near the standard they play at for there clubs.

I thought after the past Capello would feel he owed Becks the swan song goodbye.  He should give him the 100th cap and then move him out the squad, there is a time to acknowledge respect and this was it.

We all know Bentley is playing great and he will have plenty of opportunities in the coming years so I am sure we could have left him out for just this one friendly, bit dissapointed by Capello.


Title: Beckham
Post by: red macca on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:46:45
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Not about what Beckhams done now though its about what he has done in the past, the effort, desire and passion he has shown for the national team over the past 10 years is an example to all of those other big time charlies who just turn up and are no where near the standard they play at for there clubs.

I thought after the past Capello would feel he owed Becks the swan song goodbye.  He should give him the 100th cap and then move him out the squad, there is a time to acknowledge respect and this was it.

We all know Bentley is playing great and he will have plenty of opportunities in the coming years so I am sure we could have left him out for just this one friendly, bit dissapointed by Capello.
Good post


Title: Beckham
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:48:31
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Not about what Beckhams done now though its about what he has done in the past, the effort, desire and passion he has shown for the national team over the past 10 years is an example to all of those other big time charlies who just turn up and are no where near the standard they play at for there clubs.

I thought after the past Capello would feel he owed Becks the swan song goodbye.  He should give him the 100th cap and then move him out the squad, there is a time to acknowledge respect and this was it.

We all know Bentley is playing great and he will have plenty of opportunities in the coming years so I am sure we could have left him out for just this one friendly, bit dissapointed by Capello.


ok then lets get bobby charlton and lineker back too.oh and gazza.
becks doesn't desrve to play end of.squad maybe at a push but come on, he aint playing competetive football.


Title: Beckham
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:51:11
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Not about what Beckhams done now though its about what he has done in the past, the effort, desire and passion he has shown for the national team over the past 10 years is an example to all of those other big time charlies who just turn up and are no where near the standard they play at for there clubs.

I thought after the past Capello would feel he owed Becks the swan song goodbye.  He should give him the 100th cap and then move him out the squad, there is a time to acknowledge respect and this was it.

We all know Bentley is playing great and he will have plenty of opportunities in the coming years so I am sure we could have left him out for just this one friendly, bit dissapointed by Capello.


ok then lets get bobby charlton and lineker back too.oh and gazza.
becks doesn't desrve to play end of.squad maybe at a push but come on, he aint playing competetive soccer


Title: Beckham
Post by: red macca on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:52:01
Arriba i have said that he should not start but for fucksake 1 meaningless friendly against Fucking Switzerland . im sure a 5 min subs appearance wouldn’t go amiss


Title: Beckham
Post by: juddie on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:53:55
what's not to say becks won't get his 100th when he's playing regularly again? He's not fit so won't play - but that's not to say he won't get it nwhen he's playing again?

I think it's a good statement of intent. I'm the new manager and f*ck what you all think, I'm gonna do this my way.

Good on him.

Bit of a shame he won't get his 100th cap but hey ho - sentiment doesn't win you games.


Title: Beckham
Post by: stfctownenda on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 13:54:40
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Not about what Beckhams done now though its about what he has done in the past, the effort, desire and passion he has shown for the national team over the past 10 years is an example to all of those other big time charlies who just turn up and are no where near the standard they play at for there clubs.

I thought after the past Capello would feel he owed Becks the swan song goodbye.  He should give him the 100th cap and then move him out the squad, there is a time to acknowledge respect and this was it.

We all know Bentley is playing great and he will have plenty of opportunities in the coming years so I am sure we could have left him out for just this one friendly, bit dissapointed by Capello.


ok then lets get bobby charlton and lineker back too.oh and gazza.
becks doesn't desrve to play end of.squad maybe at a push but come on, he aint playing competetive football.


Its Switzerland in a meaningless friendly I am sure 5 mins at the end wouldn't of damaged the cause.  I just feel what Beckham has done for the national team should of been rewarded with his 100th cap then you could just move him on.  As far as not deserving to get in the squad so what about Dave Kitson a player that has scored 20 goals in a seaon only once 6 years ago in the lowest league  :roll:


Title: Beckham
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 14:06:41
maybe the new manager doesn't see it as meaningless macca?
becks trained for a bit with arsenal then fucked off to brazil promoting his academy.
he aint that good now that he can do that and turn up for england squads.
kitson deserves a place before beckham for sure.that said, i'd have given him his 5 mins then its done


Title: Beckham
Post by: McLovin on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 14:49:53
The country, and English football, is bigger than Beckham. You can't give the guy a 100 cap swan-song just because of his commitment and effort. I really appreciate it, as does most of the football-loving English community, and it is a shame he may not get his 100th cap, but that's life.


Title: Beckham
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 15:33:10
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
its becks own fault.he chased the money by going to the usa when he could have joined a prem club.
bentley is better now anyway so its irrelivent really


Not about what Beckhams done now though its about what he has done in the past, the effort, desire and passion he has shown for the national team over the past 10 years is an example to all of those other big time charlies who just turn up and are no where near the standard they play at for there clubs.

I thought after the past Capello would feel he owed Becks the swan song goodbye.  He should give him the 100th cap and then move him out the squad, there is a time to acknowledge respect and this was it.

We all know Bentley is playing great and he will have plenty of opportunities in the coming years so I am sure we could have left him out for just this one friendly, bit dissapointed by Capello.


ok then lets get bobby charlton and lineker back too.oh and gazza.
becks doesn't desrve to play end of.squad maybe at a push but come on, he aint playing competetive football.


Its Switzerland in a meaningless friendly I am sure 5 mins at the end wouldn't of damaged the cause.  I just feel what Beckham has done for the national team should of been rewarded with his 100th cap then you could just move him on.  As far as not deserving to get in the squad so what about Dave Kitson a player that has scored 20 goals in a seaon only once 6 years ago in the lowest league  :roll:



And what exactly is it that Beckham has done for the national team-apart from being the captain of probably the worst England side of the past 34 years?


Title: Beckham
Post by: red macca on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 15:39:17
Got us qualified for the euro’s, single handedly helped us beat Greece . So are you blaming Beckham for everyone elses shit performances then


Title: Beckham
Post by: Spud on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 15:40:59
It's Beckhams own fault for taking the bumper pay day in America instead of playing proper Footy somewhere in Europe, he isn't match fit....end of.


Title: Beckham
Post by: DMR on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 16:07:15
Beckham's had his time, there's no room for sentiment.

The bloke got us into one tournament (WC02) and cost us our place in 2 (WC98 and E04), so in my eyes it's tough fucking luck and he's getting his comeuppance in some respects. If he'd have stayed at Madrid rather than running off chasing the folding stuff to some tinpot league he'd still be in the squad.


Title: Beckham
Post by: janaage on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 16:21:31
Quote from: "red macca"
Got us qualified for the euro’s, single handedly helped us beat Greece . So are you blaming Beckham for everyone elses shit performances then


Typical english, re-writing history.  Did you not draw against the Greeks 2-2?  

As and outsider looking in, as for Beckham it would have been nice to have repayed the bloke with a sentimental 100th cap.  Capello will pick him in the future though.  Beckham will get his 100th cap, I have no doubts about that.


Title: Beckham
Post by: red macca on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 16:25:50
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "red macca"
Got us qualified for the euro’s, single handedly helped us beat Greece . So are you blaming Beckham for everyone elses shit performances then


Typical english, re-writing history.  Did you not draw against the Greeks 2-2?  

As and outsider looking in, as for Beckham it would have been nice to have repayed the bloke with a sentimental 100th cap.  Capello will pick him in the future though.  Beckham will get his 100th cap, I have no doubts about that.
same thing :D


Title: Beckham
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 16:33:57
Quote from: "DMR"
Beckham's had his time, there's no room for sentiment.

The bloke got us into one tournament (WC02) and cost us our place in 2 (WC98 and E04), so in my eyes it's tough fucking luck and he's getting his comeuppance in some respects. If he'd have stayed at Madrid rather than running off chasing the folding stuff to some tinpot league he'd still be in the squad.



Not forgetting that once we actually got there(WC02) -he helped cost us the game against Brazil by bottling out of a tackle which led to Rivaldo's equaliser.


Title: Beckham
Post by: dell boy on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 16:44:18
Beckham deserves his 100th cap this should be at Wembley - gone past his sell by date, probably maybe definitely - this has nothing to do with his ability to be in the current side - this is about an ambassador for English football and any English fan could never fault that.

Beckham deserves that 100th appearance, always fully committed for his country, why do people knock him, I take my hat off to him.


Title: Beckham
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 16:58:24
Quote from: "dell boy"
Beckham deserves his 100th cap this should be at Wembley - gone past his sell by date, probably maybe definitely - this has nothing to do with his ability to be in the current side - this is about an ambassador for English football and any English fan could never fault that.

Beckham deserves that 100th appearance, always fully committed for his country, why do people knock him, I take my hat off to him.


not knocking him-just stating facts.He's not playing football so he shouldn't be in the squad.Cant blame Capello for wanting to start building from his very first game.After our shambolic performances no-one can argue with that


Title: Beckham
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 17:02:10
Beckham should be denied his 100th cap as a lesson to younger players about selling out for easy money at a less competitive level.


Title: Beckham
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 17:25:29
Quote from: "dell boy"
- gone past his sell by date, probably maybe definitely - .



That decisiveness course went well Dell Boy!


Title: Beckham
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 17:51:27
I blame Vicky.


Title: Beckham
Post by: dell boy on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 17:52:53
Quote from: "adje"
Quote from: "dell boy"
- gone past his sell by date, probably maybe definitely - .



That decisiveness course went well Dell Boy!

Out of context you tart if you want to post my comment post the whole thing not just one line.

At the end of the day he deserves his 100th cap more than most players who have represented their country.


Title: Beckham
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 19:20:23
Quote from: "dell boy"
Beckham deserves his 100th cap this should be at Wembley - gone past his sell by date, probably maybe definitely - this has nothing to do with his ability to be in the current side - this is about an ambassador for English football and any English fan could never fault that.

Beckham deserves that 100th appearance, always fully committed for his country, why do people knock him, I take my hat off to him.




OK-if you cant take a joke although I dont think it makes any difference


Title: Beckham
Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 19:21:10
Fuck sentiment, it's Capello's first game in charge he has picked a squad based on merit and that is how it should always be. What precident would it send to other players picking an unfit Beckham. By doing things his way and ignoring sentiment might also sort out the Lampard/Gerrard fiasco.

To get in the England squad you need to be fit and that should apply to every player whether it is their first cap or for their 100th. If you do it to him where does it stop, should every player who passes 80/90 caps get their 100th cap? Every single game you play for England should be because you are in on merit otherwise it makes stats such as 100 caps meaningless IMO. If at 99 games your no longer good enough to get on the pitch for England so be it, don't artificially create history!


Title: Beckham
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 19:23:12
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Fuck sentiment, it's Capello's first game in charge he has picked a squad based on merit and that is how it should always be. What precident would it send to other players picking an unfit Beckham. By doing things his way and ignoring sentiment might also sort out the Lampard/Gerrard fiasco.

To get in the England squad you need to be fit and that should apply to every player whether it is their first cap or for their 100th. If you do it to him where does it stop, should every player who passes 80/90 caps get their 100th cap? Every single game you play for England should be because you are in on merit otherwise it makes stats such as 100 caps meaningless IMO. If at 99 games your no longer good enough to get on the pitch for England so be it, don't artificially create history!


I agree with that-last time we picked an unfit Beckham it cost us the 02 World cup


Title: Beckham
Post by: DV on Thursday, January 31, 2008, 19:24:54
If Beckham seriously wanted to be a footballer, still - he wouldnt have sold out and joined the 'MLS'