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Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Luci on Friday, January 4, 2008, 10:56:33 Just been reading Robbo on thisis about FA Cup etc. and it reminded me the other day of Kitsons attitude towards the FA cup which I personally thought was disappointing, especially if I was Reading fan.
I don't get the attitude of some players. http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/display.var.1941663.0.im_dreaming_of_playing_here_but_not_until_the_quarterfinals_of_the_fa_cup_at_least.php Quote As a footballer the day you stop dreaming is the day you may as well retire", he said. "Because if you have not got dreams and ambitions I don't see the point in playing the game personally. "I would love to play against Arsenal. The likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool would be great but for me the way Arsenal play their football is unbelievable. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/reading/7168675.stm Quote We are not going to win the FA Cup and I do not care less about it, to be honest," said the 27-year-old. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: janaage on Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:02:31 And that's why the magic of the cup has gone. Players don't seem to be bothered about making themselves legends of their clubs anymore. The Town side that took on Arsenal in 69 are all legends, and will be forever.
The Wimbledon side that beat Liverpool and the Covvie side that beat Spurs, legends. Players like Kitson deserve nothing from the game, obviously not concerned about the history of Reading or the cup. If I were a Reading fan I'd be disgusted with his comments. Isn't he the bell end that asked the Reading fans to stop wearing those wigs a couple of seasons back? Or was that Sidwell? Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: DMR on Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:15:19 I think it's fair enough, at least he's honest.
Be honest, who is drooling at the prospect of Barnet at home? It's the same for fans, half of us don't give a shit. I'm only going to get a stub frankly. That will all change if we get Chelsea away though :mrgreen: Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: janaage on Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:18:43 Of course no ones drooling at the prospect of Barnet at home, but I am happy we have a chance of reaching the 4th round. If at the end of the season
"6th round of FA Cup" is on our achievement list then we can be very happy with that. All cups should be taken seriously we should have given the JPT a proper go as well, it's been fair too long since this club has been at Wembley, a day out would be class. Kingy blew it a few years ago when we were close to a JPT final pay out!! Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Glostered on Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:20:06 It's becuase staying in the Premiership has become WAY WAY more important for teams like Reading. All of their focus (rightly or wrongly) is about picking up enough points to stay in the top flight. Players getting injured or suspended in cup games against lower league opposition is a nightmare for most teams in the PL.
All about priorities for them. I still think the 'magic of the cup' existis for the majority of players and fans outside the top league. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: sonic youth on Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:25:25 part of me would be embarrassed to be at wembley for the JPT final...
the league cup is what baffles me. arsenal started the trend by using it to give fringe/yoof players a run out and in that respect they haven't devalued the competition - it's clubs like us who ruin it by following suit! i swear sky are running trailers with "the fa cup begins!" as adverts for the third round. says it all. as for kitson, i'm quite surprised - judging by these comments in a recent interview, he hasn't forgotten his roots and i'd have thought that the early rounds of the fa cup were part of those roots: Quote "I would rather be regarded as a human being than as a footballer. I don't like being bracketed as a footballer. "I don't own a car. I refuse to shell out the amount of money for a car that I should be worthy of playing at this level. If I spent more than £10,000 on a car, if you could see where I came from, and you could see what my Dad is driving around in and you could see my friends who I used to play football with driving round in their Sky vans, it just wouldn't be right. I'm no better than any of those. "Some of those players were ten times the player I was. If I went back into my neighbourhood with a Porsche or Bentley there would be hell to pay. That's just cars. I have no jewellery. I don't wear any chains or watches. I wear plain clothes, no logos. I don't have a boot deal- I refuse to have one. I am just happy going along being me and I really don't want to be that fella what I see every day. I really want to avoid it. "I'm not particularly good at communicating with [players] and talking with them because I just find I have nothing in common. It's difficult to be different. People think you're arrogant because you don't entertain the usual 'shag anything that moves'- but I hate all that. If one of the lads has a new watch I'll try it on and then say 'have it back'. If someone's got a new car, I might have a little sit in it, but I could never draw attention to myself unnecessarily, Why do people want to do that- to be a showman? It's on the pitch that I want to stand out from everyone. "My biggest motivation is to say 'this guy cost £10m and he's won God knows what. Well I'm Dave Kitson, I cost £150,00 from Cambridge and I ran the show today". Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Marty McFly on Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:37:27 Kitson's comments shocked me. I understand that to a team like Reading that the Premiership is far more important but he still shouldnt have said that.
I think the main reason the magic of the FA Cup is gone is there doesn't seem to be as many shocks any more, main reason being that the standard of pitches in the lower leagues has improved which helps the better sides. I do think all clubs should take it seriously though and comments like these should not be made. I just hope we get in the 4th round of the hat and for once draw a decent premiership opposition. Its about time!! Im still sick from when Oxford pipped us to an away day at Highbury. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Lumps on Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:07:09 Quote Covvie side that beat Spurs, legends. Now that was a cup final. I watched it in the bar of a huge working mens club in Coventry with one of my mates, the only Spurs fan for about 10 miles (it was in the middle of a general election and we were over canvassing for Dave Nellist). Great game. Odd how many of the players have ended up at Swindon over the years, Hoddle, Ardiles, Allen, Bennett, and the Killer. I think if Gorman had been given any more money to spend he would have tried to collect the complete set. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: janaage on Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:10:43 Terry Fenwick???? Did he play in 87? Did Terry Gibson play for Covvie back then?
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Lumps on Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:13:46 Quote from: "janaage" Terry Fenwick???? Did he play in 87? Did Terry Gibson play for Covvie back then? Nah. I'm not sure he'd moved to them from QPR by that point? Sounds about the time he went there? Might have been cup tied I suppose? Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: red macca on Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:55:03 Attendances show that the fans dont give a fuck as much so why should the players
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Marty McFly on Friday, January 4, 2008, 13:07:18 Quote from: "red macca" Attendances show that the fans dont give a fuck as much so why should the players I think thats down to 2 things. Teams not playing their best players for these games so people dont want to waste their money to see the reserves and secondly the prices of tickets. Take tomorrow for example, it will be a low crowd because we are playing a team a league lower than us tomorrow but tickets are full price. They should do what they did for Forest Green and lower the prices. Who wants to pay that amount to watch Barnet when they can see us play Forest in a couple weeks for the same price. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: red macca on Friday, January 4, 2008, 13:08:47 Its not just up to us what the prices are though and anyway the way everyone harps on about how magic the fa cup is whats the problem with paying full price?
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Luci on Friday, January 4, 2008, 13:08:49 I think it was mentioned though on another thread that it was Barnet who didn't want to lower ticket prices as they get a cut of revenue.............
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Marty McFly on Friday, January 4, 2008, 13:13:23 Fair enough I didnt know that as im new to posting on here. But i do think the fans that cant afford to go every week will be put off by the price, especially just after Christmas and I cant see it being much more than 5000 that turn up. That said, I will still be there.
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Luci on Friday, January 4, 2008, 13:16:12 I wasn't digging or anything by the way! I do agree though, that with January being so expensive it would be in the interest of both sets of fans if participating clubs could agree a lower charge.
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Boeta on Friday, January 4, 2008, 14:34:41 the interview posted by sy with kitson sums the bloke up. a bit odd but a really intelligent and likable guy.
i think that quote is slightly, although not completely, out of context. in the same interview he was saying about how him and kevin doyle were absolutely shattered after the christmas matches and could barely walk. i think it may be that it's not that he doesn't want to care about the fa cup, but his body can't stand up to it all and you have to make priorities Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: DV on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:23:47 I can see where Kiston is coming from, as a club the Premiership is worth so much more to Reading.
They arent going to win the thing, one none 'big 4' club has one it for god knows how many years 15? maybe? Reading being a Premiership club have already played at Old Trafford, Anfield and St James Park loads of times. Thats the different between Roberts and Kitson. Roberts dreams of playing the top teams at their grounds, Kiston does play against the top teams at their grounds. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Boeta on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:33:23 Quote from: "DV" They arent going to win the thing, one none 'big 4' club has one it for god knows how many years 15? maybe? the exception to the rule as far as i can remember was everton beeating man utd 1-0 in the mid-90s Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: janaage on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:35:58 I didn't realise that since 1989 the "big 4" had won it every year except Spurs in 91, and Everton in 95 (Rideout!!). Spurs v Forest is the only final since 89 not to have Utd, Liverpool, Arse or Chelsea in it!
Never realised that at all. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: DV on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:36:03 Quote from: "Boeta" Quote from: "DV" They arent going to win the thing, one none 'big 4' club has one it for god knows how many years 15? maybe? the exception to the rule as far as i can remember was everton beeating man utd 1-0 in the mid-90s which is why in my post I wrote one none 'big 4' club....we all remember RIDEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUT Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:37:48 Before that it was Spurs in '91.
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: DV on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:38:39 really?
I was expecting someone like Jan to post this first....dunno why!! Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: janaage on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:42:58 Quote from: "DV" really? I was expecting someone like Jan to post this first....dunno why!! And what do you mean by that DV85? You taking the mick because I had already posted it? Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, January 4, 2008, 15:48:12 Quote from: "DV" really? I was expecting someone like Jan to post this first....dunno why!! Meh, I posted it before him but the forum went all slow on me. So, ner. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: DV on Friday, January 4, 2008, 16:05:06 Quote from: "janaage" Quote from: "DV" really? I was expecting someone like Jan to post this first....dunno why!! And what do you mean by that DV85? You taking the mick because I had already posted it? no, because you're old innit! Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: janaage on Friday, January 4, 2008, 16:11:46 Cheers mate!! I ain't that old! Well I am to remember the 91 cup final, but that's not the point.
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Colin Todd on Friday, January 4, 2008, 16:36:24 To an extent I can see where Kitson is coming from but ultimatly its a defeatest attitude. Reading are never going to win the premier league either but does Kitson give a shit about that? Whats the point in doing anything unless you are odds on favorites to win it in that case ? We'll all fuck off home and let Man U & Chelsea have a toss up for the domestic double shall we?
Yeah the odds on Reading winning the cup are high, but upsets do happen. It may be 12 years ago but what odds were Everton to win in in 95 at 3rd round stage? Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Ardiles on Friday, January 4, 2008, 16:48:16 Funnily enough, Reading (in their latest, new & improved incarnation) are exactly the kind of club that could play their way to the later stages of the FA Cup. They are one of the top 20 sides in the country, so a place in the last 8 would hardly be a shock...and after that, anything could happen.
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Spencer_White on Friday, January 4, 2008, 16:57:41 We had 7500 for the last round against non league opposition. Thats a very good attendance. I rekon it will be about 6500 for Barnet, which again aint bad.
Kitson is a mug though. Because once hes finnished his career he wont have that showpiece medal and he will regret not trying for it. And if its so great up there in the Premier League why do Reading only take 300 fans to Anfield? Hardly compares to a cup final does it? Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Boeta on Friday, January 4, 2008, 17:21:18 the premiership's more important because of $$$$ rather than the number of fans that turn up
and to be fair, i'd rather be challenging myself at the top level week in week out for years, rather than a one-off glory and then back to relative mediocrity and obscurity in the championship Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: sonic youth on Friday, January 4, 2008, 18:20:19 you know what would be great? a cup for the teams not in europe - i.e. without arse, redscouse, manure and chelski...
oh hang on, nobody would take it seriously. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Spencer_White on Friday, January 4, 2008, 19:47:26 Quote from: "Boeta" the premiership's more important because of $$$$ rather than the number of fans that turn up In your opinion. Theres plenty of mediocrity and obscurity in the Premiership. Id rather have an FA Cup medal if I was a player. It worries me that football fans of lower league clubs emphasise with people like Kitson. If ££££ is that important then why would you support a no cash lower league club? I know its more important to the board members. But why is it important to YOU? Why do you buy into the corrupted mentality? Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Boeta on Friday, January 4, 2008, 19:55:55 it's not my opinion, nor is it the way it should be, but it is the way i think it is
Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Spencer_White on Friday, January 4, 2008, 20:07:59 Ok. Well you said - "i'd rather be challenging myself at the top level week in week out for years, rather than a one-off glory and then back to relative mediocrity and obscurity in the championship".
But the problem of keeping clubs like Reading in the top flight is that they will get relegated sooner or later. Any memories a player might have of finnishing 16th of whatever will be tainted by the fact that they got relegated. A win in a final is a crowning moment of glory, no one can ever take it away from you. Going back to being a Town fan, we try and put a positive spin on our year in the top flight. But the moment you mention it to a supporter of another team you know whats comming...... The players at Reading look like rats on a sinking ship at the moment. Sidwell was the first, accepting mega ££££ to go play reserve football. Kitsons constantly sickening about his love for spurs (come and get me). Lita wants away. They are like prostitutes, touting themselves to other clubs trying to get the mega wages. Not interested in glory for themselves or the fans at Reading. Where is the pride? Fucking pathetic. Title: Attitudes of Players towards FA Cup Post by: Marty McFly on Friday, January 4, 2008, 23:29:22 Quote from: "Spencer_White" Ok. Well you said - "i'd rather be challenging myself at the top level week in week out for years, rather than a one-off glory and then back to relative mediocrity and obscurity in the championship". But the problem of keeping clubs like Reading in the top flight is that they will get relegated sooner or later. Any memories a player might have of finnishing 16th of whatever will be tainted by the fact that they got relegated. A win in a final is a crowning moment of glory, no one can ever take it away from you. Going back to being a Town fan, we try and put a positive spin on our year in the top flight. But the moment you mention it to a supporter of another team you know whats comming...... The players at Reading look like rats on a sinking ship at the moment. Sidwell was the first, accepting mega ££££ to go play reserve football. Kitsons constantly sickening about his love for spurs (come and get me). Lita wants away. They are like prostitutes, touting themselves to other clubs trying to get the mega wages. Not interested in glory for themselves or the fans at Reading. Where is the pride? Fucking pathetic. Couldnt agree more! |