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Tozer is £250,000 up front, only 'could' rise to £1.1m. Jutkiweicz was something similar I think. Couldn't we demand some more as we didn't really need to sell them?

Come on fella, the lad's onlt got about 180 minutes worth of league experience.  £250,000 is a good price!!  Same for Lukas, half a season of league 2 footie and a transfer fee of a mill.  Not bad business.

Fucking hell. What do you mean more money? THis isn't Champ Manager 97/98. We're fucking lucky to get that much.

Oh wait. Jan just said the same thing. I love you Jan.

It's mutual Benny!!

The BBC reported earlier in the week that Tozer had actually left us for a nominal fee but with it rising to £1.1 million, not sure if they said £250k was nominal but there was a mention of just over £100k.

If Tozer went for 50p we made a profit. We only had the kid for about a year and stole him from Plymouth, which everyone seems to forget, so whatever we get it's still money for nothing.

I didn't rate him anyway and in the grand scheme of things any of the figures banded about are pretty good baring in mind both his experience and our expenditure.

both the fees for tozer and jukebox seem very reasonable to me.i find it rather amusing, as many fans slated tozer but had prem clubs queing up to sign him.

Has he actually gone? I haven't seen anything confirming it

newcastle site says personal terms are being discussed, although a certain member of STFC coaching staff has told me that Tozer will be on between £4,000-£6,000 a week basic. Which is ridiculous, Jutkiewicz is on £2,000 a week basic but get extra for starting in reserve games and scoring in reserve games

The point is our players AREN'T so good.

i agree the Jutkiewicz deal is a fair price i think, the Tozer deal we have been lucky to get the amount we have, i have seen him play more than anyone on here, seen all the home youth games (even the ones at the end of last season when he played a few games for us before we officially signed him) and all the 1st team games hes played with the exception of Carlisle, and he isnt as good as the fee suggests. The 1 game where i could sasy he stood out above the rest of the defence was the youth cup game against Barnsley, and he wasnt the best player in that game, Kurt Hammond was immense

What the fuck are you on about????

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The point is people, the clubs are paying for potential. If Tozer or Jukie were mid 20s we would have got less than £100,000 in total for each of them. FWIW Tozer and Jukie have bags of potential. Its now up to Everton and Newcastle to continue their development. FFS Tozer isnt old enough to drink yet! A few months in the gym bulking up and some good coaching he could turn out ot be a beast of a defender!

spot on mate

tozer has the touch and physique already.he just needs games to further his development

if he wasn't tall and strong, he'd fade into obscurity. it's stupid really, prem clubs just buy up any youngster decent enough to play in the lower leagues if they've got the physical attributes.

Chris Allen is prob technically one of the best footballers at the club, if he was 6ft he would be at a prem club

exactly. the only reason nobody has taken a punt on him is cos he's a midget!

well i dont think hes quite in the Warwick Davis catergory but i take your point

he's clearly a primordial dwarf :D

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jul2007/5/2/F7A8E898-F6EE-08FB-29C8A6393EB72C40.jpg

joking aside, he's impressed me whenever he's been given a chance in the first team this season. not sure he's at his most effective in front of the back four, would rather see him further forward

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:, he isnt a Makelele type player hes the opposite, cant tackle but great vison and technically sound, he could maybe suit us as a AMC in fm terms

the long-term athlete development programme suggests it is a lot easier to make a footballer (or cricketer, rugby player and so on) out of an athlete, than it is to make an athlete out of a footballer

http://www.sportdevelopment.org.uk/html/rg_ltad.html
http://www.ecb.co.uk/ecb/publications/planning-for-long-term-success,736,BP.html
http://www.ltad.ca/content/home.asp

isn't that what i just said?

it seemed to me that you said buying 'athletes' rather than 'footballers' was stupid - whereas research suggests its a better method

it is indeed mate

thats why our national team is in the state it is, look at the best in the business Brazil, all about pure football ability

no

you can coach technical skills, you can't coach someone to grow taller

the problem goes down to 11yr olds, i believe that 11 & 12yr olds play on full size pitches, thats just encourages kids managers to play the bigger lads, in France they play on smaller pitches to a much older age where between ages of like 11-15 they get better technically than our kids do

i tend to think the problem is that we don't build athletes or technically good players

the 'win culture' in youth football is an absolute mess.

when i played from 8-15 i really didn't improve technically as a player. nor was i particularly fast, quick or strong. the coaches were as passionate, committed and enthusiastic as you could possibly wish but they just didn't have the understanding or the skills to produce quality players. and this happens in more or less every club in the country. after not playing for 4 years i have taken up playing again over the last year, and although i'm nothing special i have improved considerably using learning techniques i have gathered through cricket

in terms of sports psychology and coaching football (here anyway) is so far behind sports like tennis

and lightweight and unable to cope with the physical side of pro footy yet.
great toch agreed but more to pro footy than that.i hope he bulks up and makes it mind

Two words - Fola and OnionBahji.

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Excellent. Keep em coming.