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Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:07:50
Have been watching everything closely
you lot on this forum are brilliant (and sometimes crazy)
but you are so loyal
like I used to be in my teens in the 60's
Andrew Fitton is no mug
and he has a heart for the Town
I rarely post but we are on the knife edge

I have tried to discover who the decision makers are
but have failed
I thought it would be easy
can any of you in the know plse tell me who they are

individuals/companies percentage shares etc.

it is a mystery to me
and it should be public knowledge
and it should be clear and black and white
if it is not there will be deep trouble for some in the near future
there seems to have been connivery

long live STFC


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:10:37
Well the Wills are the major shareholders. The holding company is a seperate entity as such and this owns 71% (i think or something close to that) of the club. James Wills in turn owns 51% of the holding company and i think Mike D owns about 26% of the holding company.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:11:49
I don't think that Sean bloke that played 007 ever had any shares?


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: yeo on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:13:31
I read that like a Pam Ayres poem 8)


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: spacey on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:15:02
Connivery! How positively fiendish!


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:18:07
Iffy
If what you say is accurate
James Wills owns 36pc of the Club and
Greasy D owns 18pc (based on the 71pc you mentiom)
that makes a total of 54pc
I want to know who owns the rest - nearly a half!!!!  :?


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: yeo on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:19:31
Ive got 1 share 8)


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:21:06
I am not Pam Ayres unfortunately
otherwise I'd be in on the deal
and join the Fitton consortium

good luck lads
we need a new dawn :wink:


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:22:19
Holding Co:

BREAMS REGISTRARS AND NOMINEES LIMITED   22%
JAMES S WILLS   44%
PHILIP EMMEL   17%
WILLIAM POWER   17%


From memory the Holding Co owns 70% of the football club.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:31:23
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Holding Co:

BREAMS REGISTRARS AND NOMINEES LIMITED   22%
JAMES S WILLS   44%
PHILIP EMMEL   17%
WILLIAM POWER   17%


From memory the Holding Co owns 70% of the football club.

Although it should be noted that Bill Power and Phil Emmel dispute the accuracy of that record which is at the centre of their legal dispute.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:33:07
Thank you Si Pie very much
So BP has shares and it wasn't a loan (is that legally confirmed?)
Don't know SFA about Emmel and Breams
might go looking now

get em Andrew  8)


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:36:55
pauld,

who the **** owns the other 30pc?????
this gets more bizarre by the minute
and they are the last minutes!!!


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:54:12
Quote from: "Oevil red"
I read that like a Pam Ayres poem 8)


I just tried singing it !!!!!

 :oops:


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:58:56
it sort of scans if you sing it to cigerettes and alcahol


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 7, 2007, 20:59:55
Quote from: "skuaimages"
Thank you Si Pie very much
So BP has shares and it wasn't a loan (is that legally confirmed?)
Don't know SFA about Emmel and Breams
might go looking now

get em Andrew  8)


No it hasn't been confirmed, that's the details you get off Companies House (the Annual Return).

It's essentially what the company tells Companies House is the shareholding and does not include supporting documents when submitted (i.e. share certificates).

Until it's gone through Court we won't actually know if it's sahres or a loan.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 7, 2007, 21:03:22
Quote from: "skuaimages"
pauld,

who the **** owns the other 30pc?????
this gets more bizarre by the minute
and they are the last minutes!!!


The other 30% is made up of lots of people - probably too many to list individually. A lot of fans hold tiny amounts of shares for example.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 21:21:50
ta again Si Pie

something weird here
does it have to go thru court to establish who are the shareholders
if so the court must rule before there is a vote
that is absolute shite
money making f****** lawyers

they just love spinning it out
the suckers might fall one day


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 7, 2007, 21:31:09
The reason it's gone to court is because Bill Power and Phil Emmel put over a million quid into the club in what they thought was a loan.

The club officials say is was for shares in the holding company.

So there is a legal dispute which is ongoing. This seems quite an unusual one off.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 21:56:15
Si Pie

if that is the case
it happened months ago
why wasn't it resoved then
anyway if you put a million in you would know exactly what for
wouldn't you? and expect a receipt!
this could be a typical example
of how lawyers create their illegetimate income
Did Bill Power want this injection of cash to be so vague
I doubt that very much - but I just don't know

I'm not sure I will trust the court outcome
the whole thing has become a debacle

I don't trust some businessmen
but Fitton has palyed the straightest bat
and has kept us in touch

I feel like chucking the lawyers (parasites)
and having a revolution
but I don't know how to start a big one!


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, December 7, 2007, 21:57:31
Have you been living in Outer Mongolia for the past six months?


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: skuaimages on Friday, December 7, 2007, 22:02:29
Samdy Gray
I live in the Orkneys
but lived in Moredon, Swidon, Wilts... from 1949 -1963
and followed STFC since
simple as that

If you want to know more about lawyer/company fraud
you must meet me secretly
no tracking devices plse


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, December 7, 2007, 22:05:18
Everything you've questioned has been discussed in great detail here over the past few months.

Try searching for some stuff, I'm sure it'll help you piece together the info.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, December 7, 2007, 22:10:46
Here you go:

http://www.thetownend.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16860

http://www.thetownend.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21257


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: yeo on Friday, December 7, 2007, 22:14:21
How old are you skuaimages? (if you dont mind me asking)

You must be a Silver Surfer :D


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 7, 2007, 22:37:21
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Quote from: "skuaimages"
pauld,

who the **** owns the other 30pc?????
this gets more bizarre by the minute
and they are the last minutes!!!


The other 30% is made up of lots of people - probably too many to list individually. A lot of fans hold tiny amounts of shares for example.

After the shares owned by the holding co, IIRC Cliff Puffett and Wendy Godwin are the next largest shareholders, but I think they hold less than 20% between them (and it may be a lot less than that). As Si says, the majority of the rest are small shareholders holding less than 1%.


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: sonic youth on Friday, December 7, 2007, 22:52:52
Quote from: "skuaimages"
Thank you Si Pie very much
So BP has shares and it wasn't a loan (is that legally confirmed?)
Don't know SFA about Emmel and Breams
might go looking now

get em Andrew  8)


phil emmel is bill's business partner, breams registrar is diamandis in 'disguise'


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Saturday, December 8, 2007, 00:16:41
Quote from: "Oevil red"

You must be a Silver Surfer :D


Fucking hell mate.....................that is one dangerous geezer

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/FredElliot_2006/24vmft1.jpg


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, December 8, 2007, 00:32:01
i have a few shares


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, December 8, 2007, 01:48:12
TBF Fred that is a totally shit Silver Surfer,  I'm disappointed .


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: Phil_S on Sunday, December 9, 2007, 03:05:28
Quote from: "skuaimages"
Si Pie

if that is the case
it happened months ago
why wasn't it resoved then
anyway if you put a million in you would know exactly what for
wouldn't you? and expect a receipt!
this could be a typical example
of how lawyers create their illegetimate income
Did Bill Power want this injection of cash to be so vague
I doubt that very much - but I just don't know

I'm not sure I will trust the court outcome
the whole thing has become a debacle

I don't trust some businessmen
but Fitton has palyed the straightest bat
and has kept us in touch

I feel like chucking the lawyers (parasites)
and having a revolution
but I don't know how to start a big one!


Bill held off suing for a year as they were backing the fans consortium. The money Bill put in was urgently required last June so he wrote the cheque (It was supposed to pay the CVA, Bryan adams expenses & stuff)
Bill & Phil's alleged share holding is the first excuse that was given for the failure off the Fitton, bid which is a bit weird as he says he has no shareholding it was a loan. And to my knowledge, it was Bill's 1.2 million, so why they have Phil Emmel as having share too is another mystery.
Another mystery is how Diamandis exerts so much influence yet has a samller "Alleged" shareholding than Bill & Phil


Title: who are the shareholders of our club?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, December 10, 2007, 00:23:49
And I understood James Wills held a majority 51% in the holding co. which effectively gave him (them, the Wills i.e.) control of the club. So what has happened to the other 7%?

Has somebody been fiddling with the holding of the Wills? Nah, not in STFC ...

Don't they know they could go blind or get hairy palms.