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Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:28:04
Q. Why do the english and scottish hate eachother?

No really being brought up on english heritige im rather uneducated on the history between the 2 countries.

So does anyone fancy giving me a quick history lesson?


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:30:04
One word

Bannochburn


Google it Seb


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:32:46
Ahh right so its what braveheart was based on, i didint realise that where the hatred originated form.

Cool, now i know.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:38:10
Quote from: "Chubbs"
Ahh right so its what braveheart was based on, i didint realise that where the hatred originated form.

Cool, now i know.


Yes


(and they smell of poo)


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:40:04
And one other word that sums it up from the other side.....

Culloden!


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:41:42
very true


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Foggy on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:46:17
And the fact that they broke the goal posts at Wembley in 77 (i think).


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:48:06
Quote from: "Fogster"
And the fact that they broke the goal posts at Wembley in 77 (i think).


BASTARDS


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 16:55:18
All Bollocks.

After the Earl of Cornwall, Lord Edward Tresugglesworth, created the worlds first steam powered Space Shuttle in the late 19th century; claiming the moon for Queen Victoria. England soon used their new technology to create giant space muskets, which they instantly aimed at Scotland. Beaten in the arms race by their clever and inspirational neighbours, the Scots surrendered and became part of the Empire. They've been bitter about it ever since.

Is referencing an obscure post you made 9 months ago just to see if anybody else remembered it an odd thing to do?


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: stfc_steve on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 18:55:18
Also the fact that they were reluctant to help us when the french invaded Britain from the South coast of England. :wink:


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 19:00:34
Also the fact that themselves, Wales and Ireland were all strong Celts and we are were an Anglo nation was a big factor in why Scotland and Wales in particular hated us.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: yeo on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 19:07:22
I dont hate them.

I'll give some of the old Footie Banter but thats it.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: dell boy on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 19:24:02
Why do they call the protective gear to your nuts a 'Jock Strap'
Is it because they talk so much bollocks?


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 19:27:16
Quote from: "Oevil red"
I dont hate them.

I'll give some of the old Footie Banter but thats it.


Agree with that, I have a nice scottish girl mate who is a lovely lass


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 19:36:56
In a nutshell, the Angevin kings of England, were overseers of a cross channel anglo french empire, which developed as a result of the doings of the Bastard of Falaise.

  They were land hungry and sought to expand their lands either in France or Britain.

   Edward I was a typical example, he was known as Hammer of the Scots, having subjugated Wales, he turned his attention to Scotland....he defeated Wallace, I think at Falkirk, but died before he could complete the job.

   His son Edward II, had a go, but he was a notorious bender, and fucked up big style at Bannockburn.....he eventually ended up imprisoned in Berkeley Castle, where he was killed by the ironic insertion of a rod hot poker up his arris.  Ouch.  

  Note....being a bender and useless in battle, do not necessarily correlate....see Iskander of Macedon.

   Part of Edward I's thinking was the fear of the establishment of alliances between, the Kings of Scotland and parts of France not in his empire.....a situation which formalised under the name of the Auld Alliance.   Which meant whenever at war with bits of France, which was often in the Hundred Years War, the Scots were not to be trusted, using the situation for their own benefit.

  The Scottish nation plodded along, through the Middle Ages and the Tudor period, with skirmishing being localised to raiding across the border, necessitating the building of Pele Towers, especially in Northumberland to keep out the thieving Sweaties.

  By the end of the 17th century, the Scots were deep in the economic shit.....England was booming due to the developments of empire and the riches to be gained, so the Sweaties thought they should have a slice of the action and formulated the ill fated Darien expedition, whereby they raised large sums of dollar and attempted to build New Caledonia in the Panamanian Isthmus....this was definitely not the place for ginger,  freckled skinned  peeps, and sadly most died.

  In fact such was the magnitude of the economic loss, that we had to bale the Sweaties out, and have been subsidising them ever since.   The Act of Union was suggested as a way of formalising this arrangement, to which a less than grateful Scottish Nation agreed.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: TalkTalk on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 20:00:21
Is your degree in history, Reg?

Straight question.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 27, 2007, 22:11:56
Quote from: "TalkTalk"
Is your degree in history, Reg?

Straight question.


 No.  History was just there.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, November 28, 2007, 00:19:51
perhaps a bit of Highland clearances thrown in as well - they weren't happy.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 28, 2007, 07:56:10
Quote from: "ron dodgers"
perhaps a bit of Highland clearances thrown in as well - they weren't happy.


 Highland clearances were mainly carried out by Scottish landlords.....the same process of breaking up the traduitional rural way of life happened in England as well.


Title: WANTED- History Lesson
Post by: Ralphy on Wednesday, November 28, 2007, 10:36:58
Quote from: "Bushey Boy"
Quote from: "Oevil red"
I dont hate them.

I'll give some of the old Footie Banter but thats it.


Agree with that, I have a nice scottish girl mate who is a lovely lass


Paul Strurrock is Scottish.

Thats enough reason to hate them.