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Sorry Ben for another new thread but this is fucking important.

I have been informed that the deadline of 30th November 2007, is NOT a deadline that has been issued by Mr Fitton.

This is a deadline that has been issued by HMRC.

If this deal is NOT COMPLETED on Friday then at 9.00am Monday morning a winding up petition WILL BE served on the club

GOODNIGHT FUCKING VIENNA

I told you this is going to get nasty

Source?

wont the sturrock compo money stall any action for a while longer?

Finally an answer on this!  So this has come from HRMC themselves?

or link?!

Oh bugger, although this could go some way to having the takeover pushed through.

Is your source reliable Fred?

"Here you go, have half of the money we owe you! Don't expect the other half any time soon though".

Yeah sure that'll go down a treat.

I tend to believe what Fred posts as he's not usually one to bullshit or drive a panic when there is no need....

But where was the info from Fred? Is there anything we can do?

within the club

thats all I will say

How much do we owe the HMRC again?

The club have already stalled them for too long. Considering we owe them fucking millions, I'd imagine if they were offered a few hundred grand they tell the club to go fuck themselves.

We wont get it in time mate

I trust them, never let me down yet

Ask Sam

as posted elsewhere ---

however I remind optimistic that a takeover can be agreed by Friday and that Steve Cotterill will be watching from the stands on Saturday  :wink:

Beleived to be £4m in unpaid NIC's etc plus around £500,000 from the CVA

I'm sorry Fred but I don't believe that, from out of the blue, we're 3 working days from closing down.

Well it's not of the blue Dave. Bart has harped on about it for ages now as well to be fair.

Maybe a winding up petition would be best- the judge would then be advised that a rescue deal was/has been on the table for some time to rescue the club as a going concern. These clowns would then be out on their ears.

Still, if Andronikou had done his job properly in the first place and acted in the interests of the creditors rather than his associates, we would not be at this stage at all.

My first question as judge would be- what the hell has the CVA supervisor being doing? At best its professional misconduct/negligence

Good , that will put the pressure on the idiots.

The winding up petition still has to go to court, and it would not  be enforced if the Revenue believed they would get their cash, even a day or two later.

IF the deal is done this week the timing is not a problem.

However if we are to be deducted points if the deal is not done by 30th November, I think we can wave goodbye to 10 or 15 points.

No way will the CVA be paid by that date.

I only got told about 3/4 hr a go

Everyone at the club believed that the deal will go through.

Some long long faces at the CG today

Does everyone at the club know WHY the deal is hitting problems

Bob Holt says there are no problems  :wink:

I for once believe him .. am i making a fatal error?

Not everybody

Who say's it's out of the blue dave, more like it has been an issue for some time yet those delightful chaps in charge at SN1 decided not to tell anybody.

Bangcock they have known for some time

Fred do you know any more of the issues causing concern? Or is it still the er, certain individual?

Only that the deal is scuppered by one man, because there is not enough money in it for him personally is what I have heard

We are asking HMRC for more time but they have told us to fuck off.

So lets hope the Winding Up Petition gets lost in the post as with everything else at HMRC. Sorry to make a joke of it but I need to cheer myself up somehow!

Fred - this is exactly what I heard as well (about the deal being scuppered).  Possibly the same original source.

If you are genuinely sure of your facts, might I suggest you get on to Andy Cryer or one of his colleagues ASAP?

you never reveal your souces. Specially if its a close friend. Why betray someones trust?

So what are the chances of a deal being done, and sharpish? Also, any insight into the manager situation?

Sorry about all the questions mate, you seem to know more than anyone else!

Rightly so, HMRC have waited for more than long enough, I'm glad they are not giving them more time as it put's the pressure on the board to sell, obviously it's Diamond that's scuppering this deal.

As i said before it's either takeover or no club, the club's plan z isn't going to work as time has ran out.

It's hardly out of the blue - the fact we owed the Revenue nigh on £2m on top of the CVA has been public knowledge for well over a month now, plus the fact that Fitton paid a couple of hundred grand to hold them off for a few weeks at the start of his negotiations. So the clock's been ticking for some time now and the Revenue are not known for their patience, so it can't really be a great surprise to anyone.

1. Next to none

2. My money was on Steve Cotterill. Not anymore because we wont have a fucking club.

ITS THAT FUCKING SERIOUS !!!!!!

CREDITORS HAVE LOST PATIENCE AND ARE SICK TO DEATH OF BEING LIED TO

What are the chances of judges recognising our "rescue package" in the form of Fitton should a winding up order be produced?

You just watch MD buy it back for a quid

Can he do that Fred? What about the debt??

old co/new co

Old co is bankrupt and keeps the debts. Newco liase with the liquidator to purchase assets at nominal values that will help pay the creditors of Oldco. Possibly 5p in the £

FFS.

How long does a WUP take to get to court. One a WUP has been served can you avoid it coming to fruition by paying the debts off?

I feel sick.

---

Also Fred, if that happens   who chooses which bid wins? Also does it mean the end of our FL status?

about 28 days Batch

will be advertised in the London Gazette after 14 days

I know comapnies can do that , but isn't that what brissle city (1982 ) did. The loophole was then closed by the football league

Also Fred, if that happens who chooses which bid (to buy from the liquidator) wins? Also does it mean the end of our club? It must do liquidation = game over, right?

i'm just sat here in dissbelief that after everything going on at our club that some fat greedy greek cunt is STILL fucking us over and hampering the future of this club.

cut your losses you fat cunt and fuck off.

Game Over mate

Goodnight fucking vienna

Remember the words " And if neccesary I will take the club down with me "

M Diamandis December 2006 BBC Radio wilts

That has to be the way forward now.  I was hoping a similar approach could have been adopted with respect to Bill Power's offer, but Paul D advised at the time that the approach was unduly risky.  The end-game feels a little closer now, so maybe such an approach (alerting HMRC to Andrew Fitton's offer) is now appropriate.

Standard business practice Phil, and we are at the end of the day a Limited Co

Its what MD specialises in mate

Should we not be getting this out into the press- the reason the deal is suppered. People need to know that this one asset stripping shark is entirely responsible

Isn't that what Bates did (sort of)?

Bart shut up. Think about it. How can you prove anything? He (or She) may not openly admit anything. The club have stated that the takeover is on course to complete. Maybe maybe not. But what can the press do apart from speculate. If they start naming names then it bceomes lible..

In a convoluted way yes

And I refuse to name my contact as I class them as a very good friend

Well.... we all knew the day was near, I'm just surprised it took so long.... Dont forget to turn off the lights  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Exactly fella. Why betray a friend?!

that what it said plan b was on the adver website

Plymouth are skint aswell. Doubt we'll see any money for a while yet...

The Compo is way way way less that what the Adver is reporting (£125 k)

We have asked HMRC for more time and promised them that we will shortly be in a position to offer substantial payments.

They have told us to Fuck Off

Thats the SP

Thats the plan B

THERE IS NO PLAN B FFS !!!!!

HMRC want ALL of the money owed to them not some small amount that falls off the table of MD. Cant really see any way out of this mess. I am a great believer in Karma and one day those in charge at SW1 will reap what they sow.

Foggy

when people finally wake up and realise that we are a hairs breadth away from the death of the club, it will be too late

I can see the anger spilling over.

Ive said before

This is going to get nasty

and if the club does die fat cunt better go into hiding

Hiding? I've never seen him once anyway!

HMRC are well aware of Fitton's offer - that and his "downpayment" on the £2m we owe them outside of the CVA when he started negotiations are the only things that have prevented them from issuing a WUP already.

I beleive that what Fred has said is true (No reason not to)

But I just find it utterly shocking that one man could single handedly bring down an entire football club with a 125 year history. I know that we are not a PLC, but even then there must surely be some sort of legal safeguards in place to stop this from happening. (Obviously not though)

We may all blame Diamond Mike but for me the blame will lay entirely on the shoulders of SSW, After all he is the only one with the authority to negotiate, accept or decline any takeover bids.

I feel physically sick, and utterly helpless.

CUNTS is not a strong enough word

Spot on big man.  Cannot believe this is happening.  BTW what happens to Fittons downpayment?

He becomes a creditor along with the rest of the mugs

Sherlock Manatee told me all this last night.

Get back to GD

Sorry Fred. Just woke up. I trust you and your cunt custard. Things seem a bit grim.

I just received this from the club - I think they must be taking the piss !

just think you can watch the end of the world live :|

Fella's I can't believe you haven;t been asked to be taken off of such mailings.  I sent Ben Lambert a mail yesterday expressing my disgust at recent goings on and asked him to stop sending me Swindon Town promotional e-mails.

they would only kow that my email address was a live one and send me more shite then

Only just logged on and My God I can't keep up with everything although I get the jist of it.

I still don't see how the NASTY PIECE OF WORK AND OBVIOUS CROOK (yes I hope you're reading this you prick) is getting away with scuppering this.

I am so so angry and I hope he gets whats coming to him if this folds.

No if you tell them not to send you anymore info they legally have to oblige.

I'm so pissed off with all of this, Oxford fans must be finding this hilarious.

This needs to get very personal- think this is our only  hope. The fat git aint even a director FFS and he has single handedly destroyed us.

To just back up what Fred is saying, if his source is who I think it is then this info is 100% reliable.

it is Sam

Any idea why Banbury says we have 2 weeks left Fred. Have HMRC extended the deadline or am I missing the point?

Once a WUP is served, there is a 14 day period where it is against the law for a creditor to advertise it. This gives the debtor 14 days to try and come to an agreement with the creditor over possible payment.

Thats fine in most cases, but the HMRC have already told us to fuck off, no further payment arrangements apart from full and final settlement will be entered in to.

Thats where Banbers is getting the 14 days from Batch

Oh OK thanks - consistent with your info then (same source). I wondered.

We do live by the skin of our teeth.  I wonder if the reported 500k compensation package will be waved under HMRC noses as a make weight until a reported takeover goes through  

Despite reports that the takeover is heading tits up in the Adver it may explain the reasoning for Bob Holt’s quick retort on the official site that there is no collapse.

If they can string the takeover along a little longer it may help swing HMRC into giving us another breather.  

Out of curiosity does anyone know if a winding up order can be stopped if only a sum of the whole amount owed is paid back or is it purely at HMRC’s discretion?  EDIT: Fred has answered before I asked.   :D

surely any patience HMRC had ran out a loooong time ago.  they'll get their money somehow, its the other creditors that won't.  Besides, I suspect HMRC are in an even more shitty mood than usual after the lost discs balls up.

Dazza

There is no 500k compo (125k max)

HMRC have said fuck off to any further extension of time.

End of the road fella

I'm a bit confused.

So, Fitton stumped up 200k to extend the exclusivity thing (200k which he won't see again whatever happens), and in the final few days to get a deal done he's fucked off abroad on business?

Hope it's a pretty lucrative business trip as that's a lot of dosh to piss up the wall and walk away from.

Or am I very confused and completely missed something?

 :?

Lets just say that I have heard that the goalposts have moved dramatically in the last 5 days

Are they turning the pitch around for the ground redevelopment?

yes mate

Fuck me lets just get back on the TUMDFC site and reveal all.  This is doing my head in.  When Fred starts talking in riddles you know it's not good news.

Someone else has posted something very worrying on TUMDFC as well  :(

what's the link to the site Rich?  I haven;t been on there for ages.

P'Md

Why did I PM it.
 :?

Coz it's secret  :wink:

Like secret squirrells?  :D

cheers mate!

Am I looking in the wrong place as I see no new posts on there since October  :?

I think you need permission to see certain sections. Sam might have to do a bit of activiation

Oh, I've been a member ages....SAM, sort me out mate - Baron_von_greenback

Iv'e registered to TUMDFC, could somebody please activate my account

I can't remember who else apart from Sam is admin on there. Sonic and Fred might be.

I am

yeah Sonic and Fred are, I think Fred is in there now as we speak.

Can you help me out Fred old chap...I can log in but don't see much.

Ill sort it

Cheers. Just PM'd you on TUMDFC as my TEF crashed, but it's back now...

Fred - can you activate me on TUMDFC as well please fella - think I'm on there as FarrRed

i'm not

TUMDFC says that my account is still not active fred  :(

Log out then log back in mate

Sorry Sonic getting my forum admins mixeded up.

im not in the kilq, sort it out.

I used to look like Jesus you know!!

Register then you heathen

clique.

me neither

I have done, still say my account is inactive, yet my name is on the members list :?

gimme 2 mins

I'm in Fred, thanks old chap!

I can only see old posts as well.

I'm on there as Bedford Red (how original i know!); any chance some-one can sort out for me; thanks.

Wouldn't it be easier to just post it all here. We don't even have a manger to tell you off for organising stuff before the game now

The 5pm Friday deadline is also that set by the football league i have been told

Am I right in thinking that if we went into receivership the County Ground  would be given back to the Council as they effectively own it?

This would (obviously) mean with no ground the board (or Fitton) could not do a Ken Bates and buy the club for £1 as we'd have nowhere to play?  

Sorry.......I often read the TEF sight, but don't really post!

Me too if possible.  8)

You better not be moles  :D

I preffer to be reffered to as a ferret, I find they are a little more lively and much more entertaining than a mole  :wink:

Ohhh Ferrets are cool, you win my vote!

Could you sort mine while your at it Fred!?

Cheers!

You can be a meercat...............

Having spent a bit of time thinking about it, I would just like to make it perfectly clear that I do not consider myself a ferret due to my interest in spending time running up and down random blokes trouser legs  :shock:

of all the things to worry about at the moment  :roll:

It beats the impending Doom and Gloom.

:mrgreen:

Iv'e registered to TUMDFC, could somebody please activate my account

i'd pm sam or fred telling them who you are unless they know you already.

With 1 post on here ????

any other forums you frequent ????

look at my pm on other board you will see why i have been unable to post before.

What's TUMDFC?

:wall:

When I log into it, there are no current posts on there am I doing something wrong

Sorry Sam. It rather makes the point though - I'm on here often enough and I'm at virtually every game and I've no idea what you're all on about - you can't bleat on about lack of protesters when most people have no idea about various bodies like this TUMDFC site.

The Unofficial Mike Diamandis Fan Club  :)

"The fact that you needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need to know was known, and therefore those of us who needed to advise and inform felt that the information that we needed as to whether or not to inform you of the known information was not yet known, and therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed because the need to know was not yet known, or needed."  :D

i swear you've made that point before.

anyway, regardless of what forum it's posted on the message will only go out to a small number of people such is the nature of the beast...

even the adver wouldn't reach the entire fanbase as our support is spread so far and wide

I actually think it's just a bit sad to set up an online hate-club over one bloke at a football club but I was trying to dress it up nicely  :wink:

i think you miss the point dave 8)

I was going to ask how many posts you need to be accepted into the clique but i really can't be arsed.

Nothing more to add really  :D

I agree with all that, especially Dave's bit.

What ?..........................with an IP that gets traced back to a firm of solicitors ????

Credit me with some fucking intelligence at least before you get all fucking high and mighty on me

Sorry

That sounded awful............................just got in after 38 hrs so far this week.

I apologise

and it's a case of mistaken identity.

organising everything on TUMDFC is fucking pointless anyway.

Sorry God

If only we'd listened to Bart instead of telling him to fuck off  :|

an ISP of Thring Townsend ??

ooops sorry........................wrong bloke !!!!

so when were you going to inform me ?

or you wern't FFS

Jesus !!!!

I thought you were quite restrained Fred :D  
Sonic - TUMDFC serves a useful purpose in that we can sound off in certain sections without getting your good self and Whits in trouble.  
Hmonkey - it's not the number of posts that count but whether people can vouch for who you are.

what the hell are you on about?

Are you TalkTalk in disguise?  :wink:

Slight dose of paranoia Fred?  :D

Fred is right just wrong bloke.

Although I'm confused  a bit myself now.   :?

i haven't got a clue what's going on...

As it happened...............

Mlone asked to be let in to TUMDFC with this PM


I cannot see latest threads. here in iraq I need to keep up to date with whats going on . Whats happened. By the way i cannot usually make any comments on any site, although i can read it, for security. The army do not like us using unofficial sites. This one has been sent to you through a friend cheers

I little digging revealed that the post came from an ISP that is a solicitor called Thring Townsend. Now I have dealt in Business Law circles for the last 16 years, and have come across these people frequently. They have an office at Drakes Meadow.

I contacted Sam, and someone else also PM'd me.

We all agreed that it was not the wisest move.

Now Sonic is saying it's a case of mistaken identity.

Could I please ask

a) when the fuck did you get involved ?

b) if you have not got the courtesy of PM'ing me this information about mistaken identity, but would rather post it in open forum, then so will I.

c) Who made you fucking god ?

Oh god chaps. Really?

no, i still don't have a clue.

FFS

See you in the morning

Why the fuck should I do any more than I fucking need to just to get by.

These people are ripping us apart, cant you all fucking see that ???

They are ripping friendships and families apart FFS

Maybe I am more passionate than some, I dont know.

I cant go on like I have done for the last fucking 14 months.............it will fucking kill me

I am even argueing with good mates now

Im off........................its sad and bad

dont mean to get involved like but i think fred is saying that he didn't want Mlone on TUMDFC as the ISP was a solicitor

think you were saying mistaken indentity sonic as it looked like fred was aiming this at hmonkey

i'll get me coat  :hide:

Spot on Jimbob.

ahh... i thought the post was aimed at hmonkey, who fred mistook for mlone. my mistake  :oops:

Just because people don't agree with you it doesn't make them right or wrong or vice versa. It also doesn't make them less of a mate.

Don't question people's passion because they have reacted in a different way. Otherwise we might all have to have a dick waving contest and I know I'd lose  :cry:

Hmm, I think finally regarding the above it looks like that post was taken out of context too. Ace.

Can we have a forum hug?

He he, Si Pie has a small penis  :mrgreen:

I expect everyone on TUMDC to be personally vouched for, that simple.  Someone in Iraq? WTF  It's just a place where people can confer before it goes into the public domain, no big deal

I think Sonic and Fred should steal a clingon warbird and sling shot round the sun back in time and re-evaluate their posts with Mr Spock and then find Marty who could use his Delorean to bring them back to the current day with the mess repaired.

Pee wee pie

i was only vouched for, following my spat about black bin bags the other week  :wink:

You've been reading to many of Ben's life tips.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

Paul Davis STFC Trust 2007

My use of irony is 10 times the magnitude of my penis.

Oh wait that doesn't work....


or does it?

my life advice was best and following my cock-up of epic proportions, i shall proceed to heed my own advice...

time to run a hot bath, take apart my razors, hang a noose around the lightbulb and load the shotgun!

Wait a minute before you do that.

It's OK, you are on the other team tomorrow night, carry on.

can I have your CD collection ?

I thought you'd left?

 :wink:

fish just cooked

just was going to shut everything down

Fred - check your PM fella.

So no fight? Dell Boy will be sooooo disappointed.

Just had a Fray Bentos Steak and Kidney pie - bloody marvellous! - apologies off thread

I don't work for a solicitors I work for dunwoody marketing here in sunny newbury :wink:

hey fred fuck off you eppy cunt.

dont you start me off you fucking kidneyless spaz

factually incorrect imafraid. i have kidneys but they dont work. spaz is debatable.

ok then go fuck yourself you bloke with the spasticated kidneys


better ?

thanks.

your'e welcome

sorry for being rude with the first comments

hope you were not offended

I have just PM'd Fred to activate my account on the fan site!

Can one of the Thursday night rabble back me up that I am who I am please!

If you don't I will be kicking people tonight!

Be warned I have named you all!

 :wink:

Who the fuck are you?  :wink:  :soapy tit wank:

I know a berniman. But how do I know you are the same one ;)

all i know is that he's a cunt!

I've activated you. But just for that, I'll kick you extra hard later  8)

Sorry for the delay Kev, Fred's a bit of a spacker. Should be all good now.

 :wanker:

Because I too am a member of the mafia that wears a dodgey leather coat!

 :wink:

I know I am Sonic, but I don't swing that way!

Thanks anyways!

 :wink:

I've seen the sort of aggression that you have at the moment, stick to kicking Jon instead!

Cheers for the activation mate!

 :thumbs:

Just wanted to do 5 in a row!

Whoop!

 :nuts:

well at least it quadrupled your post count eh? 8)

I've done worse to increase mine.

Seriously, I've got to overtake DV. Then I feel like I've got the authority to ban him.

you'll never do it.

overtake him or ban him? because 1 out of the 2 is going to happen.

When all this shit dies down he'll stop making reactionary posts and I'll overtake him and forget about it, or I'll just get annoyed and ban him anyway.

you can't ban him, he's assistant manager of blueprint chiseldon.

won't somebody think of the children?

you were supposed to say 'I will' and i would reply 'You Wont' ad infinitum, as an ironic aside to increasing post counts.

never mind.

Grrrrr... that's why I don't have more posts. Sorry axs.

I might start posting a bit more often on TEF now Sonic!  Only cos you said such nice things about me earlier!



 :wink:

i only said it cos i'm jealous.

Sonic only has as many posts because he's a post vampire. You look away and he'll steal your posts. You have to stay up all night and stay guard. It's easy at the moment because he lives near by. If he goes abroad then it'll be night for him at weird times and we're all be fucked.

i was considering moving to poland to try and find work.

that'll teach 'em

thats only a couple of hours time difference, head to fiji if you really want to make a go of it.

I loved the old thisis with James (Onion Jimbo), SS, Yuuf, OST, Johno, Jonno and all.  

Back was the golden era with Gerald’s rants and I had whaaaaaaay to much time on my hands.

I'm starting to sound like some sort of past it nerd so I'll stop there.   :old:

Ive been reading johnos blog tonight.

I love Johno :king:

Is he still in Uganda or is he back?

i heard he's in sudan.

poor johno

Uganda

Johno's fine I think. Onion Jimbo has died of aids.