Thetownend.com

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=90664

So Sturrock has gone it appears, just over a year ago wise left and now this has happened, i know the board are clowns but with Fitton taking over i thought Sturrock would have shown some loyalty and stayed, mind you he done the dirty on Plymouth a few years ago so i'm not really that surprised, maybe he knows something about the takeover, maybe it's not going to go through maybe that is why he left? anyway Sturrock take your useless son with you!!

Will this trigger protests after today's game? we have lost another good manager, who are we going to replace him with adrian fucking williams? this club is nothing but a fucking joke, things just go from bad to worse, what next? is the takeover going to collapse?

I knew Sturrock wouldn't stay here for that long but i really thought he wanted to at least get us into the championship before leaving, it just shows that manager's have no loyalty these days, why is it always us that have our managers taken off us?

Thats just a rehash of the Mail piece.

Its not 100% but it sure looks ominous.

I think it probably is true, i will be expecting to wake up to confirmation that he has gone.

No news yet. Nothing anywhere other than that vague daily mail announcement.

It isn't the boards fault if Sturrock goes, it will be his decision. He has previously stated he is loyal, so maybe he won't go?

If he goes what about Steve Cotterill, did well with shitty old Cheltenham

On Plimuff home site says they have a press conference planned before the Blades match.

Cunt, total and utter dissloyal cunt. That's how I see him if he goes. No surprise, there is no such thing as integrity these days.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=496106&in_page_id=1779

De ja vu on the Wise situation. Can't blame the guy though if he has gone, although I'd only trust the Mail as far as I can throw it.

my thoughts on sturrock are that if he goes, he must take his son with him.

in his own words "I know these men are honourable and I would expect them, I ask them, to appreciate tonight that this football club cannot afford to finance these type of players"

cotterill would be my choice. west country boy, and apparently has previously applied for the swindon job too.

I don't know what the answer is. We all expect good successful managers to move on and test themselves at a higher level. We are always gutted but appreciative (eventually) when players do it, it would be the same with managers.

But they have to earn that respect. They have to stick around for more than a few months using us a mere stepping stone. Fuck em.

I would want him to come out today and address the fans, to give us answers. If he is to go then I want to hear it directly today at the game from him and not some shite newspaper/website. Or if he is to stay come out and say it. This would maintain my respect for him even if he does go.

Frankly, whether you like him or not you respect him for what he's done for the club. If he's there today, we need to sing his name from the first minute to the last. Maybe the decision's already been made, but if it hasn't, we need to swing his judgment.

If he does go the players he bought here are going to be thrilled.

Well at least there are only 2 relegation spots to fall in to as Luton seem to be in free fall as well, Sturrock is a greedy cunt and hopefully he will get exactly the same slating as Wise because he is no different JUDAS

Isn't it funny how this has happened so quickly? The board want him gone before Monday so Fitton cannot even make an attempt to keep him. It's a parting shot from the board to piss the fans off and it seems to have worked sadly.

I can't agree with that, if he does go he's returning to a club in a higher division where he's hero worshipped. Bit of a no brainer for him, instead of remaining at a club with permanent financial woes and shambolic off the field issues.

Sad for us, but you gotta see where he's coming from.

I cannot fault Sturrock if he does go. His hands have been tied and he cannot do his job. Sturrock has been loyal everywhere he has wenmt, sadly because of the embargo and potential new owners etc he hasn't been able to fall in love with us. Sturrocks departure is not confirmed so... hold fire before slating Luggy.

Wise left because he was a cunt he had tools to do the job etc where as sturrock hasn't.

Not that dissimilar from Wise then. He went to a much much bigger club (than us and Plymouth) with a chairman who will give maximum support.

In my book they both signed a contract, and whilst managers are ephemeral in the grand scheme of things I do expect a couple of years under them to provide stability to our club. In short if they want higher league/bigger clubs don't fucking take the job in the first place.

So what is so different than when Wise left apart from going back to a club where he was loved, everything else is the same. The first sign of a better offer and he is off the man is a fat greedy cunt. With the takeover in the balance he could at least see how it pans out next week but the lure money of money and an easier life is too much to turn down lets just hope he takes that useless twat of a son with him.

Sturrock has not left yet. or it has not been confirmed, One article said he has left and it was very vague. Slating someone who has not left is not going to help things.

cant blame him for bettering himself. cant help thinking this is a stitch up and a nice earner for the board and a final up yours from the board before the takeover is confirmed. in all honesty it could be the begining of the end or the end of the begining. lets hope blair will be on his dads wish list as a stop gap striker.

If Sturrock goes good luck to him, no loyalty in football but he has not been treated wonderfully by the board.

If he hasnt gone then he will get 100% support but if he has then bye bye.

No one person is bigger than the club.

The surprise is that he's hung about for so long.....it was quite clear in the summer that he'd be happy to move on.   I suppose he wasn't going to walk out of a decent contract, but wait for the first offer.

   Leaves us distinctly in the shitter.....relegation battle on now methinks.

May I also state, until Sturrock has handed in his notice and left support him, we need all the positive support for the team we can get as everything is so negative.

GET BEHIND THE TEAM FOR TODAYS BIG GAME.

Until its proved dont always believe what you read in the press.

COME ON TOWN!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly. ONE outlet has reported this story and it is a 3 line story.

I don't understand all this talk of loyalty.  Sturrock's relationship with STFC was not based on loyalty, and neither should it be.  It is contractual...in just the same way I have a contractual relationship with my employer.  Sturrock's first loyalty is to his family (just like the rest of us) and if Plymouth are going to offer him and his family some stability that the muppets running STFC could not, then who can blame him for moving?

Next time you see a player kissing the badge after he scores a goal, just remember he's saying 'This is the club that pays my wages' and nothing more.

I'm gutted.

 Normally I'd agree with you  about the press, but we've seen enough of this down the years to know its accurate.

Agree 100% - I just hope the players don't use this as an excuse to put in a lack lustre performance and we end up getting thumped. If Luggy goes, so be it - he managed us out of League 2 so doesn't deserve a slating IMO.  I'd be more concerned if we lost Jerel Ifil.

On a personal level I wouldnt blame him.

But if he turns his back and abandons all those players he signed who came to play for him then he is a cunt. Far worse than Wise, because Wise never came out with the 'long term commitment' guff that Sturrock has.

Seeing as Fitton thought Sturrock was the only good thing about STFC I wonder if he will be changing his offer from £1 to 20p?

I totally agree, on a personal note if he goes I really dont blame him but until thats proved then please support him, for all we know the paper shit may well be just shit...lazy journos stirrign up ill feeling for the club ahead of one of the biggest games of the season.

Innocent until proven guilty in my book.

I just hope that Fitton tells the board that the club is now not worth what he offered, and he wants a price reduction or he pulls out.

That way the compensation money stays in the club or the sellers lose the lot.

rIVALS Has a basic story up, http://plymouthargyle.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=966&p=2&stid=8462312

Quite, and contractually it is alleged that he has an 18 month lock in. Morally he should honour that. Unfortunately life doesn't work like that.

I'm either stupid or blind.

I can't see it. Where is it?

me too, I can faind nbothing but I did see a rumour on the rivals site as stated above but certainly not on the official site.

i don't know why he has been slated so much, he's still swindon manager and until confirmed otherwise you can shove all the 'judas' remarks.

IF he does go then who can blame him anyway, he was loved so much at plymouth and had such a good relationship with everyone there. i'd love him to stay as i think he's the man to take this club places

however if nothing is confirmed about him leaving then i just hope everyone gets behind the players for todays game and hopefully get 3 points. the pointless protesting and all that shit is gonna do nothing to help the players get a win against rovers

x

read the 'Come on you Greens' page it makes you want to  :chunder: (it has nothing to do with Sturrock by the way)

Exactly my point.

Bottom of the list

http://www.pafc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Home/0,,10364,00.html

As long as we beat Rovers, what every happens after happens, as what is suggested it may be a load of crap.

COME ON YOU REDS!

Wont let me look at it without registering and I cant be assed to do that  :?

I think that's the usual pre-match guff. Would've been done yesterday I imagine.

Usual pre-match press conference???

thats the standard pre-match interviews with the coaching staff I bet

YES It is the normal press conference. That is ARGYLE WORLD. Its a video of a conference that already happened with the caretaker boss.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-23422797-details/Sturrock+in+dramatic+return+to+Plymouth/article.do


Same Story but on another site now...

saw steve cottril in canons gym this morning

Has anything been mention on Radio Swindon about this??  Fuck the national press picking up on chinese whispers, surely the local radio station can ask PS himself!!

Thanks Gazzza, wasn't going to bother paying for World down there! Lots of us jumping to conclusions ATM. Sorry for my temporary bout of bartitis. Hope this is all brinkmanship.

Somehow I would have thought PS would at least speak to AF before clearing his desk. Until it all comes out we won't know if there are other forces at work here. I just hope it is all bollocks and those who are already slagging off and abusing will apologise.

Not in the 10am bullitin. Not even mention of speculation - which is strange because they mentioned that yesterday. Presumably they are trying to dig deeper?

Or had a short sharp threat from the club/old bill regarding stirring up trouble ahead of todays game. Lets face it neither are going to want protests and/or passionate fans venting any anger around the ground today.

Club deny approach on 12.00 news. PS will be at the CG today ..." possibly his last match"???

Plus news of trouble in the town centre, 40 men involved, arrests made.

Yep, and in other news it looks like the rovers fans have kicked off in the town centre (40 men fighting I think is what they said).

If Sturrock were to stay I'll happily lead the official "apologies" threads across the forums!

40 men fighting = half a dozen idiots with half a brain cell between them being cocks

"men" is a very loose description

if it's down the bottom of town then it's not neccesarily football related...

He's brought some good players to the club(and some crap ones) and as long as the good ones stay I wont shed too many tears.I'm sure we could persuade Martin Ling to jump on board

stay at a club with no prospect of making progress,transfer embargo,icompetant board etc etc.???????

or go to a club where you only left to chance it in the prem with another,the fans love you,already had success there,higher league,better ground,have a home in the area,more dosh,etc etc.?

i thought he would leave as soon as it was announced that matey had gone to leicester.
and i dont blame him in the slightest.
there is no such thing as loyalty in football nowadays, except for a clubs supporters.

The most accurate post on this whole subject.

My missus just got back from taking the kids to get their hair cut and said there's people being chucked in riot vans in Old Town and police horses galloping up the road about an hour ago.

I live in plymouth, just said on the local radio that plymouth have not made an approach yet, but they would be after todays game.  luggy did not say in his interview that he would stay at swindon, he just commented that things happen in football.

Basically that was his last game for us.

Someone posted a link on here IIRC to a PAFC fans forum where it was said that PS was seen in Home Park on Friday (by someone's sister ... I know :-))( )

If it is claimed that up to now there has been no approach, what was he there for if the sighting was correct?

he has been tapped up :wink:

Konechno as they say out here (naturlich to you I believe)

For God's sake, what kind of a hair cut did she make them have ?

Won't someone please think of the children ?

Ponytails?

So this coming week we could have great news - Fitton takeover completed and bad news - Sturrock leaving. Its never easy supporting Swindon is it!! :evil:

:D Thomas hates having his hair cut, it always gets a bit messy.

STURROCK HAS NOT LEFT SWINDON, Dont jump the gun. He may think it is too soon to return to Plymouth, christ.,

what christ lives in plymouth?

did your mate ben lambert tell you that?

i think holloway saying "i've left a good squad for sturrock to take over" pretty much confirms it gary. I'd like him to stay, but i cannae see it it happening if im honest. Plymouth will be his last job in football. If im honest, he's never seemed totally enamoured (sp) to be here anyway.

No its common knowledge, listen to his interview. plus if he had signed for Plymouth why was he managing us today??

Yes because Ian Holloway is all chummy with the Plymouth board they have said we are after Sturrock.  :roll:

He hasnt signed for Plymouth yet because the deal will be finalised on Monday....

and how do you know this? Are you Sturrock's agent? Do you work for Plymouth Argyle? Do you work for STFC? All speculation. Same was said about Leicester/

gazza.just think about it for 5 mins.its highly likely he is going to leave

perhaps it is, but I wont believe it until I see it, for the most part Sturrock has been very loyal to his teams. He may think it is too soon to go back to Plymouth as he wants to retire there.

And probably partly because I tink paul Sturrock is the best thing to happen to this club for 10 years, wouldnt want him to go. EVERYONE (except Toni) loves the guy.

difference being sturrock is a plymouth legend, has a house in the area and wants to live their when he retires. Its not looking good is it?

BTW, its pretty ironic you having a go at others for idle speculation  :D

Gazza give it up mate Sturrock is going, he will be gone on monday, i'm that confident he's going i'd put my house on it!

Also the thing you said earlier regarding the takeover being signed off last night are you 100% sure of that? or are we going to be proved wrong on monday?

on the flip side, you are not Sturrocks agent, you do not work for PAFC or STFC so how do you know a deal WONT be finalised on Monday.

It wasnt the same with Leicester, he name got mentioned, that was all.

I listened to his interview after the Leeds game and it was different from all the others. For once he seemed to suggest he wasnt happy with the board. He was talking about getting out of the embargo and getting players in, but he cant through no fault of his own. During the interview he wasnt his normal self......he seemed dispondant.

Plus, Plymouth have a better board, more financial backing, are in a higher league. He has a house down there, its an area he knows well. Its a club he's worshiped at. A club where he isnt stuck with boardroom shit and where isnt in a transfer embargo.

In a way, he'd be stupid to stay here....he's as good as gone.

No I'm not, I said I heard people saying it. I didnt say it was true or 100% sure at all. Being quite honest we have heard it all before so.... wont believe it until it happens, same with sturrock wont believe he is gone until he is gone.

I like Sturrock but it's not the end of the world, STFC is the most important thing, the takeover going through is more important otherwise STFC will cease to exsist.

Can't argue that. Just fucks me off, we FINALLY have a manager who EVERYONE supports and this was proven today with the ONE PAUL STURROCK chants. He is the best thing to happen to this club. We will start to slip down the table if he leaves. I just hope he shows the loyalty he talks about. I love Sturrock (not in a gay way). Perhaps I am clutching at straws but Sturrock is the best manager we have had since Hoddle.

Bingo.

At a time when we are staring down the barrel of not having a club, that statement betrays such a lack of perspective as to be almost offensive. Sturrock IS a good manager and I'll be sad to see him go, but far, far more important is whether the Fitton takeover succeeds. Sturrock's gone, get over it.

Question is, Paul, does Sturrock's (likely) departure have a bearing on the likelihood of a successful Fitton takeover?

Good point. Maybe Sturrock is leaving because he has found out what the board are really like or because he know's the takeover is not going to happen, Or maybe because he thinks it is not going to happen and is not prepared to hang around to wait and find out or he is unhappy because the current board are leaving as he has supported them a fair bit or maybe him and Fitton have had discussions and disagreed about things? I cannot see that as Fitton himself said that Sturrock is a diamond, Can't see Fitton being happy with Sturrock going but there are plenty of other decent manager's around.

From what i have heard he's off this week (probably be a done deal by Tuesday) The board are to blame and he has had enough. Shame because i thought he would have given Fitton and Co a chance but maybe a return to Plymouth was too good to turn down.

He has probably found out recently what the board and Diamond Mike are really like and wants to get out.
I don't really blame him although i think he should have held on a while longer because things will really change if the takeover goes ahead.
I think he's taken the easy way out and also i think Plymouth have gone for the easy option, i think he's made a bad mistake IMHO, i can see him struggling with Plymouth this time around but only time will tell if he was right or wrong to leave.
I think he will be gone on monday, hopefully we will have a new manager before the Forest Green game, also hopefully Fitton will be the one choosing the new manager and not the current board, all depends on what happens with the takeover.

Spot on. It's a shame he won't give Fitton a chance but that's football. As for the new manager we'll have to wait and see i suppose. I think Fitton is choosing his man though.

i doubt it. he's naive enough to swallow everything he's told.

more likely he's fed up of failed takeovers interfering with his management of the team

With the average tenure of managers at all levels getting shorter and shorter (although that's only my perception), it's a fair bet that the Plymouth job would have been doing the rounds in a couple more years at worst.

I've been racking my brains and I can't think of too many examples (if any) of managers making a successful return to previous clubs (which they've managed, not played for).Why might Sturrock think he's any different ?

Finally Plymouth are very well placed in the Championship - in my opinion there is only one way they can realistically go. It's all very attractive when you've got a house in the area and are in a strong position to dictate terms - not so hot when you get sacked for the team being relegated 16 months down the line.

That said, I'll be disappointed if he goes, and fearful of him coming after Ifil, Corr etc in January.

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_headline=hotline-sturr-it-up-paul&method=full&objectid=20158532&siteid=93463-name_page.html


??? Hope or false hope ???

Russell Slade - he is shite

:|

According to everyone on here. False hope, He is already packing his bags and got his house on the market.

don't believe anything until confirmed

change the record gaz, the writing's on the wall. we'll all be delighted if he stays but it seems hugely unlikely.

Sturrock is a great manager but has been far to in with the board for my liking.

I know, siding with his employers, what on earth is he thinking?

Don't you think a big reason in him leaving, if he does, would be due to the fact the board have got us in a transfer embargo??

exactly.

And repeat.



And repeat.



And repeat.

The people who pay his wages. Shock horror!

Board Bart. Please think of a new angle on this.

  Graham Taylor made a success of returning to Watford, getting them up to the Prem, after the success of the late 70's.   I recall a game when we went there and won 1-0 with a Booby Howe goal.  Quinny was boss....it was late Feb, Watford were on a poor run.

  Sometime later I read an article about Taylor, where he explained how he turned it around to achieve promotioin, as they were undefeated after that.

  It involved going up to the summit of  Yr Wyddfa,  (Snowdon), with his personal guru and a bunch of crystals, and getting some positive personal energy... :shock:

Dont care what you say sussex, you can be loyal to your employers without getting involved in the politics. Wise never got involved with the politics.

His job is on the field- not constantly praising up a blatantly failed/crookd regime

Yes it does look like he may well go.....we hope he doesnt of course as he is one of the most experienced managers we have had at Swindon, not just in recent year...always.

The fans are just getting to like him whereas at the muff he is a legend as we all know, so many people down this way are muff fans and they all comment if I am wearing my Town shirt "oh you lot got our manager, he will do well for you".

The muff fans themselves are still 50-50 on the subject but almost al to a man would accept him back with open arms...the return of the messiah as a lot have said on their forums.

What I have picked up from the forums is the board want a different manager, a fresh start as so not to tarnish luggys reputation at muff if he were to come back and fail.

I am still holding a candle of hope that any contact with Luggy from the muff has been to sound him out and ask for his advice on who would replace Hollowhead and not necessarily as an interview for Luggy himself as I think only a fool would suggest there has been no contact at all from then as Stapleton is a great friend of Luggys and they are only human at the end of the day and speak regularly I am sure.

I think Sturrock if he were offered it would jump at the chance for obvious reasons and I wont hold that against him really, its a better job, better wages, better prospects, better board, better reputation to the fans.....at this moment in time.

I still hope that he will not make his mind up until after the takeover completion on Monday, Luggy has chatted to Fitton, we all know that, and it must have contained his future plans when/if Fitton takes over, if Luggy respects Fitton and believes his plan of action I think Luggy will stay, if for any reason Luggy thinks its pie in the sky, or if the takeover does not complete I feel he will walk.

If Luggy walks before the takeover is complete then maybe Fitton will at the last minute refuse to complete due to the fact that Luggy is at this moment probably our greatest assett, and as Fitton himself has said "Luggy is the best manager outside the Premier League" whether or not you beleive this or not is debatable but surely if when Fitton applied to takeover the club and its best assett has been sold before completion then surely that is a breach of the contract?

If you looked at a car with a 2 litre turbo engine, agreed a price....the garage took the turbo off before you completed the deal...then surely you would walk away? or would you fork out your own money to replace what was originally there not knowing if you were able to replace it with a suitable part......the same might well be said about the takeover?

I too like Gazza wont believe anything until its in writing in front of me, I am fed up of rumours which cause friction, upset the fans, often when not true.

Yes there is no smoke without fire but I dont honestly think Luggy leaving is a done deal yet, the rumblings on the muff forums seems to bear this out.

Yes Hollowhead said something about leaving a team for Sturrock.....but I think that was more of a dig at Stapleton who judges everyone by the luggy yardstick, and I think that whoever goes to the muff will always have that against them, a bit like Hoddle at Swindon....he has set the mark down and everyone is judged against this.

Sorry its so long but I needed to let out some frustration, yes he will probably go but its not over till the fat lady sings, even if its forlorn I still hope.

On a slightly different tack...if he does go then fine, no one man is bigger than the club, save the club first no matter what.

In everyday life, yes I agree Bart, but being manager of a league football team is a public facing role. You get interviewed by the media, you get asked questions whether they be on or off field matters, and you give answers that placate both your employers and the wider audience, ie: the fans.

Not looking for an argument, just disagree with you fella.

 :)

I've just edited your post Sussex, as what your suggesting is nigh on impossible in our current situation.

I sense an air of inevitability that Sturrock will be leaving tomorrow. If he does, we just have to get on with it.

My biggest concerns are:

1. How the team performs over the coming weeks with a yet-to-be-appointed caretaker manager, at a crucial stage of the season, and with two very difficult away games in early December at Carlisle and Southend.

2. Who Sturrock is likely to come in for during the January transfer window. Corr and Ifil are two names already rumoured/speculated, there may be more. Cox's loan finishes too, who knows whether it'll be renewed. Could that leave us light up top?

And anyone who thinks that Sturrock Jnr and Pook will follow Luggy to Plymouth must be totally fucking deluded.

 :nod:

Ditto dude.

Agree unfortunately, although Pook has been playing well of late and im one of his biggest critics.

I'm quite happy with Pook this season from what I've seen. I don't see Sturrock taking him or Junior to Plymouth with him if he goes though

Morning Coxy.

Thanks. I didn't suggest anything did I? Just tried to explain a couple of things.  :?

Maybe not, I was just trying to amplify your point. I think.

Fucking Yanks sticking there noses in again...

Waffles and maple syrup for breakfast?

 :D  :wink:

Nah, French Toast mate  :mrgreen:

maybe, but sturrock seemed more than capable of dodging the probing questions in his post-match interview last night.

makes you wonder why he felt he had to stick his oar in on off-field matters that 1) he had no context on comprehension on, and 2) end up making him an enormous hypocrite.

I'm going to be a bit contraversial here but I think, if he goes, sturrock is more of a cunt than wise. We haven't played much better than sturrock. Wise was publicly cristised by a certain Bob Holt live on tele/radio. Wise was probably left humiliated. Sturrock publicly said he can work with the current board, but as soon as one of  beloved clubs come running to him he's gone. Can you blame either for leaving? I think not.

So Something is obviously wrong with the current people in charge (god i sound like Bart!) as we've had two fairly decent managers leave. My only concern is having a club to support. Fuck everyone else, managers/press whoever, lets get this fucking mess sorted once and for all. If the takeover fails, as rumours are rife, come next week we will be extinct. Heavens above, please please let that not be the case.

Why is everyone worried about Sturrock taking our players? Wasn't the same thing said about Wise when he left? He only took Weston (who'd been released). Stop getting so paranoid  :D

Let's see what happens, it would not surprise me one bit if the takeover failed because of the current board but then they will be responsible for the club folding because we cannot continue as we are, it's takeover or no club, i cannot see creditors and the football league giving us any more time, they have been more than patient already so i wouldn't blame them if they did wind us up.
Tomorrow hopefully we should find out something, if we don't hear anything tomorrow or if it gets delayed i would be very concerned.

One BP you are right. No takeover- its curtains. We have no more time despite what Holt "comical Ali" says

Bart, I think that I know already what you are going to say in your next post!!!!

Surely "Freedom Toast"?

We're fucked basically.

Everytime something good happens to this club, it goes tits fucking up.

Fucks me off big time.

Who will they bring in now?

Tell you what mate, lets all speculate shall we?

oh.....

 :surrender:

STOP FUCKING FLOGGING A DEAD FUCKING HORSE!