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According to The Sun, McClaren has been sacked  :beers:  :beers:

Mourinho or Stuart Pearce please!

Although I'd imagine it will be Martin O'neill

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article492787.ece

Stuart Pearce is the last person we'd want in charge!

Edit:Sorry, apart from McClaren

it's just a shame it took the FA all this time and to watch us crash out of the euros to realise they had made a big mistake in hiring SM.

Nearlly every supporter right from the word go said he wasn't the right man for the job and it's clearly showed.

But on the flip side, those over payed pre madonnas need to stand up and be counted (or shot) for there pathetic performance for their country.

None of them deserve to be selected again after that gutless effort.

Stuart Pearce, he is shite you don't want him, or O'Neill.
You need a proven high quality international manager, but their aren't many of them around

Can't have Martin o Neil, Villa are starting to do well, if they steal him I won't be happy

Pearce would die for the shirt unlike half of those useless pricks out there.

He's not been sacked yet. The FA have called an emergency board meeting for 8.30 this morning.

Martin Jols free at the moment ...

They have got Carson though.....  Willie would have made a better attempt at that first goal.

id quite like to see Otto Rehagel take over .. but it will never happen

imagine that a German England manager :)

Herein lies the problem.  Alladyce, Pearce, O'Neil are not up to it. Who does that leave, I don't think Jose will be interested.

3 simple words. BRING BACK SVEN

Personally, even though hate the bloke with a passion, I think Mourinho should be given the job.

I want Jose, no-one else is up to it.

Whatever Mourinho says if the whole country is calling for him and the FA throw a big contract at him then he will take the job.  Its his ideal thing pressure, being in the media spot light all the time and a real challenge.  There is no one else that fits the criteria like him.

its official, hes gone

Where does it say that!  :beers:

just seen it on sky sports news 8)

 :D

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_2896125,00.html

I thought public lynchings went out in the middle ages.  

The attitude of the average england fan is a disgrace, it's almost like they wanted their side to fail just to have a go at the management/fa/players.

Fucking booing at half time when you need to get back into the game, what kind of support is that?

Phil Scolari has been proven right, whoever would want the poisoned chalice of the england manager's job would have to be insane imo.

Good, when's Barwick following him?

Frankly hes a shit manager - it was said by many from day one so yes most are glad hes gone.

England fans are a disgrace blah blah blah - heard it all before Jan, its getting old now.

Do you live on another planet or something??

They got booed off at half time due to one of the most abject performances I've ever seen from an England side.

What are the 80,000 English there supposed to do, politely applaud? Sing songs about how great McLaren is?

If he gets a pay off, it's criminal.

Barwick out ... I was amazed when I looked at who effectively runs the FA .. one bloke from Man Utd and one from Bolton in there .. no wonder its crap!

i would agree with you onthis - usually, but not this time. the players need to knowwe think they are a bunch of fucking pansies and prove us wrong.  I only hope that if anything comes out of this its that playing for your country is a privilege, not an annoyance that gets in the way of you being knocked out in the semi-finals of the champions league.

if mclaren had any honour at all he would have resigned immediately.

i bet Nike are thinking twice about buying Umbro now - can't see them flogging many replica shirts this summer

I think he'll get £2m according to Sky this morning!  

How come they don't do a performance related pay kinda scheme?  For managers and players?

IMO the players shouldn't be paid to play for their country. It should be an honour and privelege to play....

I agree Rob, What the is the point of booing? it is hardly going to lift the players is it? And why do the morons in the crowd have to boo the oppositions national anthem :wanker: .It is a sure fire way of firing up your opponents. Another thing, why dont England players sing the national anthem like the rugby boys do? Over paid primma donnas,fuck em if they dont want to play for the country .

Agreed with that, if they qualify I wouldn't mind seeing them (international footballers) get a one off payment, but other than that they should receive nowt (well maybe expenses).

[quote="Colin Todd]
Do you live on another planet or something??

They got booed off at half time due to one of the most abject performances I've ever seen from an England side.

What are the 80,000 English there supposed to do, politely applaud? Sing songs about how great McLaren is?[/quote]

No there should have been an intense atmosphere from start to finish.  I just think there seems to be a problem with the kind of supporters that go to Wembley, don't seem to be up for getting behind the country.  hate to say it but they're a bit "loud and proud" when you do well, but "quiet and ashamed" when you're up against it.

Even though I can't stand them look at Liverpool Meelan a few years ago 3-0 down at half time, out classed by the rossinieri, and what do the scousers do, get 100% behind the team and look what happened, they got their just deserves and won the european cup.  Now how come scousers seem capable of working this out and yet the average southerner seems to go down the boooing tactic?

I'm not having a dig, or meaning to go on about it, just expressing an opinion, and interested in england fans' point of views.  If you don't like it just skip over my posts.  Cheers.

The England fans are always a bit happy clappy. They have that fookin' band for a start. But in the grand scheme of things they weren't too negative and were pretty shell shocked from being 2-0 down early on.

Besides which, the crowd is only part of the issue. The whole setup needs a kick in the balls.

pearce won't be wearing the shirt if he's manager, gary.

i think o'neill's a good shout, openly admitted he was desperated for the job, has worked at all levels so is adept to getting the best out of what he's got.

p.s. scotland fans can hardly talk about not supporting their manager - berti vogts anyone?

Sadly, not criminal, contractual.

So long as it a bus or train fare and they've got a ticket to prove it, fair enough.  Although "expenses" when they're on tens of thousands a week seems a bit pointless. (It'd exclude Beckham's flights as well) :wink:

I'm not sure they would give him the job  :wink:

Back then drawing against the Faroes' is slightly different to slipping up at home to Macedonia and Croatia.

Having said that these days the Faroes team is made up of half decent Danes, who know they can't get a game for Denmark.  Which is why they rarely get a dicking.  Italy 3 FI 1, last night.

Berti blooded a lot of the players that are playing now. But he was never going to be around to see the results. He is good manager, just had young inexperienced players to work with.

There's to be a "root and branch" investigation into what went wrong according to the FA - to be led by ...Barwick :shock:   Hopefully he will conclude the FA committee should be disbanded and replaced with an independant team that doesn't include premiership chairman who only care about their clubs and not England

Actually he belongs to Liverpool, he is only on loan.  Fucking useless.

Dachau - Barry Ferguson was quoted as saying

"It's hard to do what your manager says, when you can't understand a word he's saying on the touchline".

Fair play to Berti for blooding the youngsters, but his hand was forced.  We had no one else to play - due to Rangers and Celtic playing hardly any Scots.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
That sounds about right his accent is really strong, having met him I can agree with that

Manager standing topless on the touchline? ace

From a personal point of view I had nothing against Berti as an individual, he seems quite a timid fella so I couldn;t get to irate about him.  I just think it was a very bad appointment by the SFA.

I'm one for thinking a national manager needs to understand the mentality of the players he's dealing with.  Which is why, I think, Sven was unable to take england that one step further.

From a Scotland point of view I hope Martin O Neill doesn't get the england job, as I think he'd do well, as he knows what makes those players tick.

there is something about o'neill i just don't like, don't know why, just don't like the look of him.  I'm always wondering what his sex face looks like, *shudder*

i'm standing for the job though, when i fuck it up after the first match i'll only ask for 1 million quid to buy me out of my contract.

My money is on Jose. Just to piss off everyone that hates him. Including STFCTownenda :mrgreen:

I agree janaage, if you don't understand the motivation of the players, you cannot get through to them. That what I think happened to Vogts, he was trying to use the German mentality on the Scottish team, which are contrasting styles and don't go.
As you said, the same was with Sven he did a good job but could take them on (I think mainly due to negative tactics after going in front).

Please don't see this as a dig at England but England need a manager who can control 'big time charlies', and get the best from them

Capello said to be interested in the money, sorry the job.

Are there any really decent english managers out there at the moment though?

Just a random thought....what about Ranieri? I thought he did a great job at Chelsea.
Although Mourinho would be better imo

Get Martin Jol in... :D

Is Ranieri likely to leave Juventus though?

No. We should employ a top class manager regardless of nationailty

Mourinho
Cappello
Lippi

All unemployed currently

Bring back kevin keegan!

We need to install the winning mentality at grass root and school levels again, all of the national teams are suffering from the "Winning is not important" bollocks that is being rammed down the kids throats by limp wristed liberals.For fuck sake winning is what it is all about! Lets get ruthless and start having some pride and passion.Personally i would give my left bollock to even have a sniff at representing my country. I dont really care who the FA put in charge as long as they give us something to cheer about and a team we can be proud of.

Thanks Jan,you can shut the door on the way out :wink:

Theres an English chap at middlesbro that could do a good job - it worked out well last time......oh

if you want to watch horrible and painfully dull football, capello's your man. i guess it's effective though.

Please God not Capello. I would love to see Wenger but fear that it will be just a dream.

I dont care. I want England to win, and Cappello's career trophy haul says he is a winner

It is... read the latest issue of 4-4-2.

Good point made on TV earlier, who is going to want to take the job now with no competetive football for 10 months or so?

Bertie Vogts for england manager!!! :mrgreen:

What do you mean " no competetive football for 10 months" . We havent played competetive football for the last 5 years.

why Wenger, he doesn't have any English players in his squad, he would fill your team with foreigners

I think your struggling with the concept of international football :D

Because he has technical nous that has been sadly lacking under the last two fuck wits and he has the knack of bringing on young players.

not really we have foreigners in ours, as do you.

I'll do it as caretaker. I think I can fit it in around my current job. I'd only cost 100K for 10 months too. I'll hand over to 'the right man' thereafter.

And I have a cunning plan to get us qualified for Euro '08. All I need is to start a civil war in either Russia or Croatia a few weeks before the start of the tournament.

It'll be Steve Bruce, that's why his move to Wigan has been held up.

As much as I think Wenger is probably the best coach in the world he'd be a disaster as England manager, can you see the players understanding what he wants?

His ideas would just go straight over their heads, simple passing and loads of movement etc. they just wouldn't have the capacity to implemant it and they'd just stand around looking confused as the opposition stroll the ball in the net.

 :D

we need socrates in charge.

the philosopher, not the former footballer

I'd love Mourhino but I'd imagine he'd want to stay involved in club football for the forseeable future.

I'd quite like Klinsmann but I'd feel a bit wrong about have a German in charge.

As long as it ain't fucking Alladyce, we'd have 4-51 with big lump Kevin Davies up front

you need paul fuckin daniels!! :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

if he wasnt welsh i would have Mark Hughes

Who would want the job anyway.Aside from the money on offer it must be one of the worse jobs a manager/coach could have.What with the wildly over optimistic fans,the newspapers hounding you where ever you go,not to mention a bunch of over-paid and over-rated metrosexuals that you have to somehow persuade that its an honour to play for their country.

Its all the FA's fault,should have picked someone other than the tufty one[the poor sod]everyone thought so at the time and sadly its been proved right.

Oh well least its saved me and Birdy from having to wash Whits underpants :wink:

i like it - not alot, but i like it

Did i miss something  :|

(This post isnt meant to be made in an antagonising way)  but ..

I can't see why Jose Mourinho would want to take the England job.  With Chelsea, he had a chairman who would bankroll any signings which Mr Mourinho wanted.  He basically could afford to buy the best players in the world, and was successful as a result.

With England, he would have a group of good players to pick from, but then couldnt purchase a new goalie like Cech if he suddenly thought Robbo, James or Carson were not up for the job.

Mourinho will only take the job on if he thinks England can win a major tourney.  Otherwise the hassle of media pressure and fan expectations will be to much.

I reckon an Englishman will take the job - possible pearce

I would like to see Jose get the job. But i think he has already said he would only manage Portugal and he wants to stay in club football. Don't know of any other contenders really but anyone is better than MClaren.

International managers in not being able to sign better foreign players shocker!

Or why Paul Jewell turned it down ? :wink:

What about Martin Jol aswell? He was good at getting in young English blood at Spurs. Who knows?

That's Magic !

Surely you wouldn't have to bring on young players in that role Fogster ?  Just make the prancing ninnies play to somewhere near their already developed status.

Now, If you were arguing for Wenger to be made supremo of all things developmental at a national level, you might be onto something.

Would Debbie McGee be his assistant?

Umm i hadnt thought of it like that Neville but it does sound like a good idea.

I didn't actual realise Venables got the sack as well, thought they may keep him on.

Previously stated on this forum that McClaren would be gone by Thursday.  After the miracle in Israel, he had to screw it up.  I don't expect he had even started to prepare, expecting it to be all over.
 
There is a series problem in English Football, I think it is related to Premier League greed and youth coaching that doesn't emphasize individual flair and skill.  The young players need to play all positions, and sacrilege..... don't have to be made to worry about winning at all costs.  You can coach any clown to boot it long out of defence, but it is the most effective way of winning games for kids.

why the clamour for someone right now ?  thats what got us in this position in the first place, its not like we have much to play for in the next few months !

I think the first thing to do is to stop England players getting paid for representing their country - or if they had any honour at all they could donate their fees to charity.  They will do OK anyway just from their profile being raised.  If the prem players don't like that then fine, piss of you traitors, hand back your OBEs and give the job to someone else.  Even if we played with a bunch of try hards from the leagues that were commited to being a national team but still never qualified it would be better than this shower of shit (like Scotland have shown, for example !)

Absolutely no hurry, why would the playboys take any notice of the guy from Middlesboro who never won anything.  Time to choose an absolute barsteward who makes them do push-ups.

cappelo, mourinhio, o'niell would be my choices

There's no point. A new man will bring his own assistants in.

Apart from that league cup

Other than that all he did was take Boro to their highest league finish ever, 7th in the prem, into Europe for the first time in their history,  in a run to the UEFA cup final, and a couple of FA cup semi-finals.

That's piss poor for a giant of the English game like Middlesborough isn't it?

The man isn't a shit coach for fuck sake. Sir Alex doesn't appoint shit coaches to his staff.

It's all very well you all slagging the guy off, just like Sven was castigated when he was sacked as well. It's fucking easy to just blame the manager.

It was Svens fault for playing a dull rigid 442 system that stifled the players flair a year or so ago. Now, all of a sudden it's Mac's fault for failing to play them in that 442 system.

When are you just going to accept that the players just aren't that good?

I'm afraid that disciplined but slightly tedious and uncreative 442 that Sven had them playing was probably all this lot can manage.  Sven played that system because he recognised their limitations.

It brought you guaranteed qualification and a few QF and SF finishes which was probably a fair reflection of your actual standing in international football.

You stalled at that point repeatedly not because the coaches weren't imaginative enough to take them any further, but because tha players weren't fucking good enough.

You lost to Brazil in that semi because Brazil were fucking better than you. Why is that so difficult for people to believe?

You lost to Croatia last night because

1.  without your first choice players in Ferdinand, Terry and Cole your defence was fucking woeful (the alledgedly second best English left back in the country reminded me of Jason Drysdale.)

2. your supposedly "world class" midfield was only able to create a single clear cut goal scoring chance.

3. up front, without owen and rooney, who both seem to spend more time injured than playing, you've got very few options.

So they were better than you!

Get over it.

As an Englishman it's hard to accept Lumps.

But I think you're spot-on.

No-one has said that they weren't better than us, in fact i would expect everyone to say we deserved fuck all from the game because we were that poor last night.
All that about the players not being good enough - its true for not winning a major tournament, we aren't good enough - but for them not to even qualify for them?! I'd have to disagree.
The whole ''qualification'' stage was characterised by poor home performances to Macedonia and Croatia, combined with poor performances and luck (in one way or another - suspension, injury etc) in Russia and Croatia.

However the manager needs to be able to motivate his players and more importantly the players should be honoured to put the shirt on. The fact of the matter is neither were good enough over the 12 games,  you can't neccesarily change a pool of 26 players, whom should qualify. McClaren himself said to judge him now, once we've qualified. They all need a kick up the arse.

middelsbrough were 14th when he took over, 14th when he left. He had a good squad of players, but couldn't succeed with them. he won a league cup, which is all well and good, but their run to the uefa cup final owed more to flukey last minute goals from maccarone than any good managerial decisions. I won't have a go at him for starting 451, he didn't have any other choice with injurys. What i will have a go at him for are

-blooding an inexperienced goalkeeper in our most important game of the group
- not making any changes to the system till half time, despite us being 2-0 down at half time.
- being bertie big bollocks dropping beckham at the start. that backfired a little with hindsight.
- changing formation to one we've never played before in our toughest game of the campaign, away at croatia. And again, failing to make changes when they were needed.

The players need an awful lot of stick aswell. None of them look interested, which is a disgrace. Their was no passion last night, and i got the feeling most of the players, media and fans thought we were through after that last minute israel goal. Complacency has cost us, and we need to take this message on board in the build up to our next campaign.

Finally though i wont blame mclaren for the whole failure to qualify. Once offered the england job he was hardly going to turn it down was he? The FA is to blame for bottling out and choosing the easy, and from the outset the wrong option. Also arranging pointless friendlies (austria) and doing nothing to address the growing number of foreigners in the premiership. the fa need to get it right this time, or we really are in the shit.

Some of your points are perfectly vaild, but...

I don't know any team who looks good at the back when their 3 besxt defenders are out

Nobody claimed a midfield with SWP and Gareth Barry is World Class

and nobody has said we deserved to beat Croatia - infact the whol epoint of this debate is how shite we were

I'm sorry but if you look at the England squad there are a number of outstanding players in there, the players certainly play good enough for their clubs but no England manager has got them to play to their full potential recently. If our team was made up of league one and championship players rather than key players for the top clubs in one of the two strongest leagues in Europe then you might have a point.

I'm not denying that england have some decent players available to them.

Ferdinand is probably one of the top 5 centre halves in the world
Cole maybe one of the best two or three left backs in the world
Gerrard is one of the best midfielders in the world.

But when your first eleven isn't available, the replacements just aren't very good. It isn't just me that thinks that Wayne Bridge is bloody awful is it?

More than that, what even the first choice team lacks is anyone, other that Rooney, who is capable of really unlocking a defence. All these other players like Lampard and Gerrard can look great for their club sides because they can buy in a flair player from overseas to provide that creative spark.

England aren't going to get anywhere unless they work out how it is that since Gasciogne retired you've only managed to produce one player that can both dribble well enough to beat a defender and hit an accurate pass/cross/shot, in anything like a consistent way.

The Italia 90 squad had Gazza, Beardsley, Waddle, and Barnes. This so called "golden generation" have got Rooney, Joe Cole and SWP. There's no fucking comparison is there?

And can I just agree with everything Chris Waddle has said on 5 live over the last couple of days. What kind of international class player is it that is completely at sea if the formation changes from 442, for fuck sake? Bear in mind that ALL of the five players that started in the attacking positions on Wednesday night came form Chelsea or Liverpool, both of which play that 451 come 433 formation on a regular basis.

No it isn't.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6447317.stm

2.75 ouch.

that's about 2.65 too much if you ask me. Fucking terrible player.

it scares me that lampard was named motm in wembley, not sure who comes to that decision?!?

Me neither - it should have either been Crouch or Becks. Atleast the pair of them looked interested

Actually, it is piss poor for Middlesboro considering their support, newish stadium etc., and that the top team don't even want to bother  with the League Cup.  Even the UEFA cup is a second tier competition for the top clubs. Ever been to a Middlesboro home game?

Ferguson stated in public that McClaren should not have been appointed, because he didn't have the experience.  Sven and McClaren wimped out of the last World Cup, they may as well have not bothered going.  The last World Cup was piss poor as far as the England games went, but presumably the FA were happy with that.  Yes, they got out of their group into the knock-out part of the competition, but all they produced was tedium, scattered by Beckham doing something exceptional.  

There is much more to being the England manager than being a good coach.  With the clubs being bigger than country, it takes qualities above being able to coach.  This wasn't just about the home game against Croatia, this is about the entire set of qualification games, mostly against mediocre opposition.  Look what Scotland achieved, FFS.

I shouldn't blame McClaren, I should have blamed the FA for turning down better candidates like O'Neil or Curbishly, who now don't want anything to do with the incontinent buffoons.  England have been a disappointment for forty years.  After Brian Clough didn't get the job, I gave up on the FA.  Their mis-mangement of English football has been monumental.