Title: Plan B?? Post by: herthab on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 15:47:35 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/headlines/display.var.1833426.0.offer_expected_in_the_next_few_days.php
Is it just me who's a little nervous? :? Title: Plan B?? Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 15:51:13 oh dear
My prediction for plan B: SSW loans club more money interest payments increase club loses even more money following year repeat til interest payments = the clubs turnover Bankruptcy The end :emo: :boohoo: Title: Plan B?? Post by: genf_stfc on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 15:52:20 Hmmm... plan B for raising the money themselves....
http://pictures.directnews.co.uk/liveimages/Cash_991_18244827_0_0_5005_300.jpg + http://www.ricoh-photocopiers.co.uk/images/Aficio_MP_161.jpg Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 15:59:49 Probably hit a hitch (yet again). Why else would they look for a plan B.
I wont be spending another penny at this club until they have gone, and certainely wont be renewing my season ticket. The thought of these people remaining makes me cringe. Title: Plan B?? Post by: magicroundabout on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:00:15 i really don't like the sound of that.
If he is confident of it all going through then why are they planning a plan B. in reality they should have fucking sold to BP last year. Title: Plan B?? Post by: red macca on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:02:51 Its amazing how many of you say how much shit holt talks but when he says something like this take it seriously.
Probably no problems but just saying first bit of shit coming out of his mouth Title: Plan B?? Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:04:48 I think people are (rightly) reading to much into it. It's the STFC way.
FWIW, I think good ol' Bob's just keeping supporters in the loop. I fully expect this deal with Fitton to go through. Didn't BBC Wilts report that terms had already been agreed last week? Title: Plan B?? Post by: herthab on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:06:57 Quote from: "red macca" Its amazing how many of you say how much shit holt talks but when he says something like this take it seriously. Probably no problems but just saying first bit of shit coming out of his mouth Quite possibly Macca. However....................... Since when have the current regime ever planned anything? All of a sudden they're looking at what ifs? Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:08:08 That doesnt mean anything, how many times have we heard that.
Even the oustdie chance of these people remaining in charge makes me :evil: Title: Plan B?? Post by: Lumps on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:09:10 I don't want to be picky but surely to fuck we must be up to about plan e or f by now?
Title: Plan B?? Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:13:30 more like plan fucking Z
Title: Plan B?? Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:17:59 My worry is if this all really does go through and we end up in the play-offs with the boardroom running successfully at the end of the season - what will Bart do?
Title: Plan B?? Post by: genf_stfc on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:18:31 Quote from: "red macca" Its amazing how many of you say how much shit holt talks but when he says something like this take it seriously. Probably no problems but just saying first bit of shit coming out of his mouth its a bit like when someone at work says 'oh don't worry, its not important', or 'ive got it under control', or 'that will never happen' etc. It doesn't mean 100% there is going to be an almighty costly fuck up, but after a while you just wish some people wouldn't say or do anything at all unless someone responsible is supervising them Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:50:04 Holt being wheeled out 2 days before an announcement means trouble.
How many more takeovers can they cock up FFS Title: Plan B?? Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:53:18 "don't worry, we're still here to save the day and pick up the pieces!"
Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:55:35 Sonic "Who is?"
Title: Plan B?? Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:58:35 Quote from: "STFC Bart" Holt being wheeled out 2 days before an announcement means trouble. Exactly, when Mr Holt speaks it normally means the proverbial shit will hit the fan. Oh great! Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 16:59:53 How many cock ups can one bunch of incompetent fools make?
If this falls thro excpect a points deduction,and that will be everyone elses fault Title: Plan B?? Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:02:02 Quote from: "STFC Bart" Sonic "Who is?" it's just holt reminding all the folk in adverland that should the deal with the untrustworthy mr fitton fall through, saint diamandis et al will be still be here to save the day once again. hooray!:? Title: Plan B?? Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:02:40 Clearly where a plan is not 100% certain to happen contingency has to be provided. This Investigating "Plan B" was stated a long time ago by the club, and is the correct thing to do too. Don't put your eggs in one basket.
What I wonder is why mention now when an announcement is due and the clubs internally set deadline approaches. Maybe the Adver wondered what was happening with the 16th approaching, rang up to ask and got told what they got told. But it makes me nervous too, very nervous. I'll be happy if that's just paranoia! Title: Plan B?? Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:05:28 indeed batch but the fact they've put a story on the site this afternoon with more to come tomorrow concerns me. this is usually indicative of a club statement..
Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:06:58 Yes and it is never their fault anything goes wrong is it?
Title: Plan B?? Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:07:56 I wonder if Bob being wheeled out is indicative of Mike's involvement within the negation process once again and as a result pre-emptive that the latest deal will be down the pan in the very near future.
Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:08:48 Spot on Dazza
Title: Plan B?? Post by: janaage on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:09:56 Don't worry about it, everything will be fine, relax... Come on if Uncle Bob's preparing for the worst it doesn't mean the worst is gonna happen.
I feel at times Bob and co have a certain occupation of France thing going on "friends of Germany, ve vill not harm you, if you do az you are told. Ve are your friends" Title: Plan B?? Post by: Tails on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:11:59 Talking about jumping to bloody conclusions!!
Sensible thing to do really. The article sounds a lot more positive than it does negative. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:12:03 Quote from: "sonic youth" indeed batch but the fact they've put a story on the site this afternoon with more to come tomorrow concerns me. this is usually indicative of a club statement.. I think we are in agreement. Of course it could be a rubbish 'hurry up' attempt by the incumbents to get Fitton shifting faster. Or nothing at all. I'll go for the latter until I know otherwise. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:18:00 Quote from: "Batch" Quote from: "sonic youth" indeed batch but the fact they've put a story on the site this afternoon with more to come tomorrow concerns me. this is usually indicative of a club statement.. I think we are in agreement. Of course it could be a rubbish 'hurry up' attempt by the incumbents to get Fitton shifting faster. Or nothing at all. I'll go for the latter until I know otherwise. Of course the reasonable course of action, but we learnt long ago this lot don't do reasonable. My reading is that Plan B means this will fall through and the CVA rumoured points deduction is there, possibly along with a taxman winding up order. Title: Plan B?? Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:22:19 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "Batch" Quote from: "sonic youth" indeed batch but the fact they've put a story on the site this afternoon with more to come tomorrow concerns me. this is usually indicative of a club statement.. I think we are in agreement. Of course it could be a rubbish 'hurry up' attempt by the incumbents to get Fitton shifting faster. Or nothing at all. I'll go for the latter until I know otherwise. Of course the reasonable course of action, but we learnt long ago this lot don't do reasonable. My reading is that Plan B means this will fall through and the CVA rumoured points deduction is there, possibly along with a taxman winding up order. Andrew Fitton has promised openness so we can only hope he'll give us some info in due course, barring that, this looks all too ominous. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:44:50 Quote from: "Tails" Talking about jumping to bloody conclusions!! Sensible thing to do really. The article sounds a lot more positive than it does negative. Agreed. People are getting way too paranoid here. Let's wait until an annoucement is made one way or the other before we all start moaning again please :roll: Title: Plan B?? Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 17:53:42 Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji" Quote from: "Tails" Talking about jumping to bloody conclusions!! Sensible thing to do really. The article sounds a lot more positive than it does negative. Agreed. People are getting way too paranoid here. Let's wait until an annoucement is made one way or the other before we all start moaning again please :roll: Its a bit Rich (see what I did there Nev ), to present yourself as the voice of reason when you've stated you no longer go because of the off field stuff. Title: Plan B?? Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 18:03:05 Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji" Quote from: "Tails" Talking about jumping to bloody conclusions!! Sensible thing to do really. The article sounds a lot more positive than it does negative. Agreed. People are getting way too paranoid here. Let's wait until an annoucement is made one way or the other before we all start moaning again please :roll: pot, kettle, black. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 18:14:13 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji" Quote from: "Tails" Talking about jumping to bloody conclusions!! Sensible thing to do really. The article sounds a lot more positive than it does negative. Agreed. People are getting way too paranoid here. Let's wait until an annoucement is made one way or the other before we all start moaning again please :roll: Its a bit Rich (see what I did there Nev ), to present yourself as the voice of reason when you've stated you no longer go because of the off field stuff. Ok fair enough but i don't or didn't go in protest of the board. I didn't because i was just too fed up. You know what makes it worse? The people on here spouting the same old negative bollocks all the time. Now i'm not Mr Optimistic i must admit but come on people are getting paranoid here. Let's all have a moan if we get a more clear picture do you not think? Oh and i'm not going to argue with anyone on here. I don't want to. So if someone comes and replies to this saying "we've heard it all before though" your simply wasting your time. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Roddy_Radiation on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 18:14:14 If the rumours that Diamandis has been sidelined are true, then it is possible that somebody as closely linked to him as Holt may not actually be aware of the full details of what is happening with the deal.
Title: Plan B?? Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 18:49:02 Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji" Quote from: "Tails" Talking about jumping to bloody conclusions!! Sensible thing to do really. The article sounds a lot more positive than it does negative. Agreed. People are getting way too paranoid here. Let's wait until an annoucement is made one way or the other before we all start moaning again please :roll: Its a bit Rich (see what I did there Nev ), to present yourself as the voice of reason when you've stated you no longer go because of the off field stuff. Ok fair enough but i don't or didn't go in protest of the board. I didn't because i was just too fed up. You know what makes it worse? The people on here spouting the same old negative bollocks all the time. Now i'm not Mr Optimistic i must admit but come on people are getting paranoid here. Let's all have a moan if we get a more clear picture do you not think? Oh and i'm not going to argue with anyone on here. I don't want to. So if someone comes and replies to this saying "we've heard it all before though" your simply wasting your time. Philopolemics isn't my bag either IOB :-- , its just that I think we're all pissed off, each small descent into an even lower grade of farce, produces a slightly more hysterical reaction....... Title: Plan B?? Post by: herthab on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 20:07:33 It's now on the OS.
Don't know who wrote it, but they have no grasp of grammar................... Title: Plan B?? Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 20:11:51 "The Club are expecting, as per the agreement signed last month, a contract/offer from Andrew Fitton by the 16th November but in the event that this is not forthcoming the shareholders have informed the Board that they are endeavouring find the necessary funds should Mr. Fitton's offer not materialise."
mike d must have waited for everyone to go home before he put it on there :D Title: Plan B?? Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 20:12:22 Quote from: "herthab" It's now on the OS. Don't know who wrote it, but they have no grasp of grammar................... Definitely more peeps than Pepys. Title: Plan B?? Post by: wokinghamred on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 20:27:33 Quote from: "sonic youth" "The Club are expecting, as per the agreement signed last month, a contract/offer from Andrew Fitton by the 16th November but in the event that this is not forthcoming the shareholders have informed the Board that they are endeavouring find the necessary funds should Mr. Fitton's offer not materialise." mike d must have waited for everyone to go home before he put it on there :D Necessary funds for what ? To get the hell out of the country before the taxman catches up with them? - To have a bloody great closing down piss-up? - Or to pay the CVA ? Yeah, right - I guess it won't be that. Title: Plan B?? Post by: redbullzeye on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 20:53:07 Funny isn't it - protests are scaled down to give all parties an opportunity to get the business done and a couple of days before the deadline we get this. Purely from past experience I'm bracing myself for a statement from Andrew Fitton to the effect that it's all off because certain parties want unreasonable amounts of moolah for a business that's bankrupt etc. I hope I'm wrong because Fitton did seem to have a businesslike attitude and a willingness to involve the fans - ah shit that's where it all went tits up. Well if things don't get signed there may be a load of chants at Leeds that have nothing to do with Dennis Wise :D
Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC Bart on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 22:40:29 And so there should be.
The only reason this will not go through is "GREED" Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 22:54:24 oh dear.... http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~1168213,00.html
Title: Plan B?? Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 22:58:31 Have you read the thread gazza? I thought that was a new one for a second then.
Don't confuse poor Ben. Title: Plan B?? Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 23:07:21 i am pissed so aint read it!
Title: Plan B?? Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 23:13:07 isn't plan b.sir seton pays a few bills to keep us afloat(interest added)?
then hope for another investor to wheel out to the fans. for him to then jump ship after learning more details about the deal(cough)with money then owed to him????? etc,etc repeat to fade....... Title: Plan B?? Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 23:19:35 Fitton knows that the club need him so much that what he says will go so far as the deal goes - thats the reality. The club saying they have a Plan B may be a desperate attempt by the board to make it seem as if they arent as desperate as we all know they are.
God i can't wait until the day we talk about the board as 'we' again and become a club once again. Title: Plan B?? Post by: deltaincline on Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 23:24:18 If the board were about to sign off on Fitton's takeover, why issue this kind of statement at this late stage? According to Holt, the club are still yet to recieve an offer. Now where have I heard that before? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Meanwhile I notice that a couple of 'special offers' are now being made available to us lucky stfc punters: The new Black and Red away kit (still not in fucking stock) can be reserved with just a £10.00 deposit. A 'Christmas Special' ticket deal covering the 3 Christmas period home games can be bought 'in advance' for 30 or 40 odd quid depending on where you sit. Given the extrordinary timing of these 'offers' in the face of a possible takeover of the club, I think I'll use my credit card, just in case. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 00:23:51 to be fair delta, the 3rd kit deposit has been the same since they announced it would be available a few months back
Title: Plan B?? Post by: Power to people on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 08:39:09 See other thread but with Androniku leading negotiations then I suspect the current lot and not up to speed on what the latest is - and Fitton has already said a deal with the Wills is already agreed
Title: Plan B?? Post by: neville w on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 08:39:57 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "herthab" It's now on the OS. Don't know who wrote it, but they have no grasp of grammar................... Definitely more peeps than Pepys. Nice work Reg, two on the same page ! Title: Plan B?? Post by: deltaincline on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 08:47:55 Quote from: "Colin Todd" to be fair delta, the 3rd kit deposit has been the same since they announced it would be available a few months back OK. I still wouldn't trust them with my hard earned cash though. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 10:32:28 Regarding parting with our hard earned, I'm suprised so many bought season tickets last year to be honest.
Seem sto me that Fitton said I will take tas much time as I need, but if it ain;t done by the end of Nov, there would be a problem that is causing the delay. The 16th is just the expiry of the exclusivity deal. After that the club can talk to (any) other investors. This is highly unlikely, as they have obviously decided they will not talk to the fans consortium, & their is no body else. At a guess, more money is needed at SN1, & the board are trying to railroad the deal through, so Fitton has to pay it & not Wills. Most statements by the club always seem reasonable & good news at the first reading,; it's when you read it again that the inconsistencies, discrepancies etc become apparent. After all that's what propaganda is about. I personally give the clubs statements the same credibility as anything said by Goebbels, Lord Haw Haw or New Labour. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Tails on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 12:23:10 Comparing STFC statements to Nazi propaganda ministers.... Ace.
Title: Plan B?? Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 13:21:21 BTW and this may have been covered before, the Adver mentions the Fitton consortium, do we have any ideas who he colleagues are?
I particularly like the suggestion that the Shareholders informed the Board Members that they would raise money to pay the debts, another example of them talking to themselves. Title: Plan B?? Post by: janaage on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 13:23:01 Mike Ocksmall has been linked but can't find much about him on Google.
Details of the other consortium members are sketchy at present. Title: Plan B?? Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, November 15, 2007, 21:53:59 Corker of a thread on the Adver today...
http://forum.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1635&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 Bob Holt rumoured to be posting under the alias of 'newbie' and while you have to wonder, if it is him it did make me laugh to myself how the mighty have fallen. Out of interest is Bob the Bob Holt of Mears? |