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Right I think it has been proven now. Smith is better than Brezovan. It seems to me like Brez is too scared now in goal and seems to fear breaking his arm again. I think it shows the last 2 games ok we have been crap but Brez has not helped unfortunately. I do hope Smith gets back soon. Something is missing from Brezovan's game.

jesus he wasn't that bad today. i agree that i feel more confident in having smith in goal and brez should have saved the first one today but he is a quality keeper and will come good again, just hope it is very soon.

he's still better than smith.

on current form, he clearly isnt

current form maybe.overall, not a chance

Well he's yet to prove that this season - every game he's played he's been at fault for a goal. Pre Broken Arm Brez was better than Smith, but this After Broken Arm Brez isnt even close.

I'd take Smith every single time.

I'm better than both of them.

last week he wasn't at fault imo

Smith's injured so I really can't see why this topic keeps getting regurgitated. Unless Brezovan starts playing well, Smith will go back in goal when he is injury free.

Brez just doesn't look confident. We wouldn't have lost yesterday with Smith in goal. Maybe a little harsh, but that first goal looked like a straightforward save to me  :|

The reason I brought this up was because people like fatbury etc were saying to drop Smith (even when healthy) because Brezovan is better. I dont believe that to be the case and his performances so far show that.

Smith handles the ball better imo. Brez fumbles and likes to punch it. All I can remember of why Brez has his fans is those penalties saves the start of last season. (people shouting, "he's future premiership mate, right there... he is y'know"). He went out injured after 14 games...

Smith was one of our players of the season last year and hasn't done anything majorly wrong this season. When both are fit, I know who I'd pick. He deserves the no. 1 shirt.

as people are more than happy with smith. should we have taken the 6 figure sum offered for brez?
having seen the goals on tv, brez should have done better for sure with the first.also ifil was pressing the ball where a midfielder should have been. second goal was a fuck up between both our centre backs.

i wasn't in the country last year to judge brezovan at all but all i've heard about him have been rave reviews......... i'm yet to see why!
the few games he's played this season he's not even been league 2 standard let alone our league and definitely can't see why everton wanted to looks at him. he doesn't command his area, he flaps at the crosses, he can't kick it straight (ok not a major issue) and even his shot stopping has been poor.
you can't keep on living in the past with him, he may have been good last season but on form this season he's just not good enough, i'm just hoping smith gets back soon...!!

How can you say he's been at fault for every goal he's let in, our defence has been poor for the last two games. He'll come good because he's a quality keeper.

but on the bright side, his kicking is immeasurably better now.

before his injury, brez looked by far and away the best keeper we'd had for years - great aerial ability, good shot stopping, good distribution. despite a lack of english he managed to command his area fairly well too.

smith surpassed mine and no doubt everyone elses expectations when he was thrown in the deep end after brez's injury but with both of them on form, i don't know if there's much to choose between them.

brez looks nervous and twitchy - he's punching crosses when he ought to be catching them, seems hesitant in general. perhaps the injury is playing on his mind but there's no doubt he's probably a bit rusty as well. sadly, goal is not a position where you can afford to carry a passenger and the sooner smith is fit the better imo.

I didnt say he was at fault for EVERY goal he's let in  :roll:

Sounds like Smith maybe out for a while....or current form Brez worries me as he is not playing well and you are just waiting for him to make a mistake as he has been doing

He doesn't command his area (and i STILL insist he didn't even when he joined), and he seems to have forgotten how to catch. It also doesnt help when you are injury time and he shanks it out for a throw. Poor.

I'm sorry but with Smith i'm always waiting for his next mistake and if i'm honest Smith makes about 5 mistakes in one game!

You can't expect, from two games, that Brez is gonna be brill he just needs a bit more time since Sturrock hasn't given him much match experience. I for one am very happy Brez is back and feel more comfortable and safer with him in goal!

Hate to say it, but you do get players who just never come back from bad injuries.

Brezovan was so good Id say he produced the best performance by a Swindon keeper Ive ever seen at Hartlepool. Maybe he has lost that extra bit that made him special.

Whatever looks like he will have a run in the team to find his form again.

Toni, do you actually watch any of the games? You form some of the weirdest theories this side of Fatbury...

Agreed. It must be those panic attacks...

I feel less confident currently with Brez in goal.  I hope for his sake he finds his form but I'd rather he did it in the reserves when Smith is fit as Smithy has been fab for us.

She was sat 3 seats along from me on Saturday.

How she can concentrate on the game with her mum bellowing every 2 mins is beyond me

 :wink:

i cant believe how brez can be written off by some of you already.last season he was potentially our best keeper since digby.

Yes,very weird.
Smith has been great for us,especially considering when he came into the team he was replacing a player in Brez who had been  faultless between the sticks.Since then we've looked pretty solid at the back until Brez took over at the Vale game.

Brez seems to be lacking confidence at the moment.I'd be prepared to give him some more time as it has to be said that we looked shocking at the back and he's been out for so long,not fair to write the bloke off after just a couple of games.

He was good but I believe Smith was better, Brez will get better as he hasn't had many game recently. For number 1 you cannot look beyond Smith

I prefer Brez ... he will come good again ... Smith has been very good tho it has be said ... but Brez will shine again once he get a few more games in and gets his confidence .. he is very rusty ..

It is a tough situation, I've definately not been as comfortable with Brez between the sticks as I'd hoped - as Spencer says that Hartlepool performance was without doubt the best 'keeping display I've ever seen where I've been present.

The last two games he hasn't looked anywhere near that performance but it was certainly no one-off in the first place, he was fantastic up until the injury, now I'd love that form to found again but I'm not sure how much longer he'll need to find it.

There have been extenuating circumstances to a degree over the last couple of games - he'd been ill and the defence was the worst it's been since the last time we were in this league up at Vale, on Saturday I think the back five were all a bit untrusting of eachother which doesn't help either.

I dunno, there'll probably be a turning point for him and the next few games he'll certainly be tested so you never know.

Do you actually watch any of the games?! Phil Smith is shit and i'm adament that if Brezovan had have been in goal this season half of those goals that have gone past Smith Brez would have saved! But i'll be proven right when Brez goes to a premiership club and Phil Smith stays in league one cos he certainly isn't good enough for Championship or premiership football.

And Fred you can shut up about my mother, she's passionate about the game which is more than i can say for most of you lot that actually post on here!

hahahaha.rock on toni !!!!!

Were all passionate about the game. Especially Fatbury.

Phil Smith is ace - Fact.

If Brez was that good Everton would have signed him after his trial. But did they? No.

The last 2 games our Czech mate has been at fault for one of the goals.

calm down dear.

Phil Smith is a keeper on top of his game.

Brez is a keeper playing well short of his ability at the moment, he needs confidence from somewhere. Maybe the few starts he seems to be in line for while smith is injured will sort that out.

All things being equal Phil Smith would retain his place in goal.

I'm more or less sitting on the fence on this one - but if we're going purely on this season then you are talking complete arse I'm afraid, Smith has been very good and the only goal I can think of that Brez may have saved would be the one at Cheltenham, but only because he's longer than Smith.

As for "she's passionate about the game which is more than i can say for most of you lot that actually post on here" - Fred was playing and stop talking gash...

Toni

Look at the wink

NEVER underestimate the power of the wink

I was taking the piss, dont have an eppy about it love

Seriously 'hun', you're wrong. i'm all for opinions, but yours verge on idiotic. Phil Smith has been solid all year, has probably been responsible for fewer than 2 goals in his entire STFC career, and has outperformed Brez by a mile this season. Not to mention the games he's kept us in/won for us.

I won't call you an idiot, but you know what i'm getting at...

Itll probably be a panic attack Fred  :wink:

I could show you so many goals (if i had a video recorder to video them on) when Phil Smith has been at fault for them. But i am gonna call all you idiotic for the simple fact you all think the sun shines out of Sturrocks ass and he's a shit manager! - FACT!!!!!!!!

You'll do anything and believe anything he says cos you're gullible. And no Everton didn't sign Brez but they'll be back in for him in January. I will guarantee it!
And Phil Smith has cost us games, not kept us in them or won them for us!

:mrgreen:

What a strange girl you really are hun

he's slovakian, not a czech.

toni - shut up, you couldn't be more wrong.

personally i don't think there's much between smith and brez

Thats why Dennis Wise is above us in the table is it? and thats after the 15 point deduction! Obviously proves who the better manager is.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
toni, brez was at fault for the first goal saturday.and although i think he is the better keeper, smith has done superbly for us.
brez deffo aint playing as well as last season

i would suggest that is because he's got some excellent strikers. i'd gnaw off my own arm to have beckford or kandol up front for us.

To be fair, Wise's latest keeper looks a bit handy. Must have called in another favour.

Toni. Those that know me will confirm that I'm a gentleman and would usually never argue with a bint, no matter how wrong they are. But for you I'll make an exception. Phil Smith is not shit, he is a very good goalkeeper who has performed well for us since Brez was injured. He's done nothing wrong and if it wasn't for an injury Brez still wouldn't get a look in. On the three occasions I've seen Brez this season he's look jittery and made mistakes, going on current form Smithy is number one.

Sturrock knows far more about managing a football team than Wise and I for one would rather have him over Wise any day. Put the two of them on a level playing field and Luggy would win every time.

I've tried to reply to your hysterical rantings as politely as possible, as you obviously are a bit 'special' and it's not nice to take the piss out of the afflicted.

Have a nice day................

A. Judge Wise at the end of the season.
B. Even then you can't compare Wise with Sturrock anyway. Despite their troubles, Leeds have far greater resources available to them than we ever will.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :toppost:

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Post of the week by far.

And its only Monday.... :?

Um... you're right! Damn my lack of education.

toni, as to why everton never snapped up brez there are a number of reasons.

1- they dont really need a 4th keeper
2- I believe everton were concentrating more in bringing in another winger or maybe a defender
3- Brez is 27 and at that age you need 1st team football, going to everton and having Tim Howard and Stefan Wessels above you in the pecking order he wouldnt get first team football.

4 - he isn't that good

He supports Liverpool?

Then why didn't Leeds stay up last season?  Leeds already had players with loads of Prem experience before Wise joined, Leeds are on of the most famous clubs in Europe.

Sturrock has won 4 promotions, no relegations - Wise has no promotions, one relegation.

Leeds get 5 times our gate, so can afford the wages necessary to pay Torre Andre Flo who will probably not play again.

Can you honestly say Toni that our football under Wise was better than Sturrock's current (excusing the last two games) brand?

If Wise is a much better manager than Sturrock then why is it that the only Wise signings that play for us now are Brez and Smith?

Do you believe everything your mum tells you?

I am sorry but that is just comedy gold.

I love you KT you snowboarding genius kind of chap

Am I the only one who thinks this whole Brezovan vs Smith argument is super lame? Talk about piling pressure on both keepers.

Smith's out, so he can't take Brez's place. There's no need to get on Brez's back when there is nobody better to replace him. If he's still shaky when Smith returns from injury then put Smith back in goal. If he's found form then don't change something that's working. That my friends is called having decent cover for one position.

Of course if Brez doesn't find form or Smith is gash on his return then I've just spouted a load of rubbish that Toni's mum would be proud of.

Thanks Fred, I assure you it's mutual...

It just seemed to me that Toni's argument about Wise was so matter of fact without any reasoning behind it that it must have come from someone else.

Blimey this one has kicked off a bit hasnt it ....

At the end of the day the following is true .. (Cos i said it so there!)

Smith and Brez are both quality keepers .. Smith hasnt been shit he has been one of our better players .. is playing at the top of his form and is still (i think!) about 23/24. Brez has been rusty since his broken arm (prob a lack of confidence as well due to the injury) but is still a quality keeper .. give him time (I think Smith's injury will ensure he gets this). I think taking all things into account Brez on top form is the better keeper but is slightly older so long term maybe Smith will be better than him .. time will tell

Re Sturrock and Wise .. they are both excellent managers with their own unique styles .. you cant argue with their records.

To be fair to Wise his teams play a bit more football and I prefer him as a person to Sturrock (I dont blame him for leaving with what was going on and he stayed longer than he had to!).. BUT you cant argue with Sturrocks record on results and I think we have done pretty well so far even with the last 2 poor results. He annoys me a bit with his sticking up for the board but they are his employers I guess.

Re why Leeds are above us even with minus 15 points is mainly due to the fact they have crowds of 20.000 plus meaning more money for wages and bonuses ...

On another point ... I think people have got a bit personal about other people on here which is a but unkind as we all support Swindon at the end of the day .. and we should all be allowed our opinion even if it is the wrong one .. personal abuse is unacceptable and I feel some people have crossed over the line on this thread .. mods take note

there you go .. lock this one now!! arguments are over :wink:

Aren't smith and brez both about 27/28.

And i think that when we get going under sturrock, we play much better than we did under wise. Wise was route 1, sturrock likes using wide players a bit more, and is generally more exciting.

Ooooohhhhhh   Toni's knight in shining armour


*swoon*

it was just a general point Fred .. not being a white knight!

I refrained from calling her an idiot, despite what i actually think...

Hey Hey Hey.......it's great to be able to use that expression safe in the knowledge that the PC police can't have a pop at you!

Can you believe I was once asked if I was offended by the use of the phrase "brainstorm" during an awayday at work. They had to explain to me where the phrase originated. I'd never even thought about it.

If you could call it a 'Thought shower' from now on please!

Well, if you're going on statistics Wise is actually 100% losing since Poyet left. Bringing in Bassett (Dave, not Wootton) will provide a good yardstick. Wise didn't exactly cover himself in glory at Leeds last season did he ?

That's the fellah!I hadn't realised this bollocks was quite so widespread.

What's the origins of Brainstorm then?  Is it to do with orphaned mentally retarded Romanians with lisps?  Or it that the origin of "Blue sky" as in the "I'm just gonna blue sky this one".

racist :wink:

According to te (n)ever reliable wikkipedia, it was though to be offensive to epileptics. Apparently though, it's probably an urban myth.

 :mrgreen:

You were the only one to pick up on it Lumps

Both Smithy and Brez were born in 1979 so yes you are correct.

Smith - 14/12/79
Brez - 9/12/79

i stand corrected .. thought Smithy was younger

You prefer Wise as a person? Did I read that right?

Why on Earth would anybody hold that opinion..??

because Wise hated the board in the end yet Sturrock seems to love them ..

Yeah but... It's Dennis Wise..  A world renowned cunt

Luggy is about the most decent bloke you'll ever meet.

....and you prefer that to someone that said one thing one minute (questionning O'Hanlon's loyalty, wanting to build from the bottom up etc) and did the opposite the next -  to someone that hasn't jumped ship?

Care to find any examples of these mistakes. Maybe the goal at Cheltenham, the 25 yard thunder bolt in the top corner. Smiths fault or maybe the Luton header

The fact is, this season Smith had only conceded 2 goals in ONE game, in the all the others its been 1 or 0.

Brezovan on the flip side has conceded 2+ in EVERY game apart from one he has played in. A fair few of which have been HIS fault



two games, Brez has played what 5 first team games this season? conceded 2, 1, 3, 2 & 2.

I felt much safer with Phil Smith in goal and the stats this season back up the fact he is better in goal.



again, stop talking in opinions and use some fact. Tell me right now which goals Brez would have saved that Smith didnt. Tell me right now.

I will tell you this for free, saturday against Doncaster Phil Smith would have saved both goals.

Brez at the moment is a League One reserve goal keeper and Phil Smith is a first choice League One keeper who before injruy was on top of his game. Playing well and being very reliable in goal, how can you not see that?



There are videos on the official site, on virgin media and on youtube. Do it, get some prove. Show me......go one fucking do it!



Ah, the same Paul Sturrock that has what, 6 promotions under his belt and is regarded as some kind of God at every club he's been to bar Southampton.

The same Paul Sturrock that has taken over a League Two side, got them promoted and has change the squad and started well in League One. We're mid-table where as everyone was expecting us to be shit because we'd just come up. Sturrock is better than that,

His record totally speaks for itself and you dont even have the right to question him, he's that fucking good.




Guarantee it, yeah fucking right - Everton didnt sign him because he wasnt good enough for them quite simple really



Which games? prove it. We've only lost what? two games with Phil Smith in goal. Yeovil and Swansea....so he could have only cost us a maximum of two games (which he hasnt) where as we've lost 4 games out of 5 with Brez in goal. So again, the record is clearly in Phil Smith favour.

We've lost the same amount of League Games with Brez in goal as we have with Phil Smith who has played 10 to Brez's 2.



ah yes the same Dennis Wise that has a better team, has spent more money....but also the same Dennis Wise that has NEVER won promotion and actually got Leeds relegated in the first place. Brilliant

maybe brez is worried that if he plays really well again, he'll get fred sat on his knee again??? :D

DV

I love you to fucking bits when you take the time and the trouble to do this

Thanks

That amused me too

Well done DV  :mrgreen:

Bring back Frank Talia

ah, the old classic DV slating worked.

Brez was very solid tonight and dealt with just about everything.

also, on the Paul Sturrock is shit claim by Toni (the stupidest thing EVER said on this forum btw)

Did you know, as a manager he (claims) to have NEVER lost 3 games in a row.

presumably this is other than when he nearly rugby tackled aljofree, kicked 2 million balls out of play with a huge slice, fumbled for the goal and dropped a piss easy long range shot at his toes.

Ummm did you actually go to the match, the ball got no where near his hands for the goal so was at no way to blame, the piss easy long range shot to his toes is actually standard practice for a keeper, you take the sting out of the shot and pick it up at the second attempt, you do this to take away the risk of it slipping through your fingers.. As for his kicking it wasn't fantastic but the majority were OK and he dealt with all the crosses today. I'd say slowly but surely as he builds his confidence again he is getting better.

I somehow don't think you know what your talking about.....

I don't but then I don't profess to be a goal keeping coach which you obviously are with your incredible shot-stopping insight  :|

Just seen the goal again on ITV, he was nowhere near it.
It was shit defending.
I thought Brez was alot better today, seemed more comfortable with crosses.

I'll let him off for the goal then  8)

Well I don't see why you are slagging him off for doing absolutely nothing wrong, he played well today and making him the scapegoat again is just stupid!

I'm not making him a scapegoat. I'm a Brez fan, and we didn't get beaten for starters.

I think, as it was the first time I've seen him this season, just I was suprised to see him struggle as I'm still remembering how fucking outstanding he was until last October.

apart from the kicking, you havent got a pot to piss in here.

Also, you havent watched Brez the last two games either!

Brez was fine bar the kicking. Much better tonight than Saturday. Fact.

to be fair, glos plays in goal at a decentish standard so i imagine he's got half a clue.

brez was immeasurably better than he has been in the last two games, although his kicking was poor on occasion tonight it was generally okay.

although i recall him punching a cross away once which upset me tremendously

I play in goal at a level in my mind, and my mind is absolutely immense.

Brez has the ability to be an awesome keeper, but if he's not doing it then he's not an awesome keeper. There's no point being brilliant if you're not showing it.

Smith on the other hand has hands or something with other hands sideways.

Im rubbish at football but especially rubbish in goal,I say Phil Smith is best because I have a mate called Phil Smith,I expect everyone does.Now thats sorted shall i lock the thread?

He doesn't command his area still. Commingues on at least 2 occasions had to hack it out because he failed to race out and claim the over hit through-ball. I also think in the melee for the goal he possibly could have got involved and thrown himself on the loose ball. Kicking was dire.

I thought he played far better than he did in the previous 2 games. I was relieved to see him catching balls again. I think the command of his area will come again soon. Give him time. In 2 games he'll be back to his best.

As his kicking has been said to be poor, why isn't he encouraged to throw the ball more? I seem to recall when he was walking on water last year that he had the ability to throw the ball a long distance and accurately too. Such a throw is more likely to reach its target and allow possession to be retained, instead of route one hoof, flicked on or headed back.

Over to you decentish goalkeepers and self-unprofessed goalkeeping coaches.

That'll be the pagan in him then.

I would expect his broken arm would have some kind of impact on the number of times he throws........

In any case he does tend to throw it more than Phil Smith does for example so obviously he is encouraged to give it to the defenders when he can. He seems to openly admit his kicking is his weak point alot so I imagine it is something that improves with confidence, if he's not very confident then he will think about his kicking more which will have an adverse effect on it. It's like anything if you think about it too much you can overcomplicate things.

I expect it to improve as his confidence improves and Tuesday I don't think it was especially bad anyway, most stayed in play and had reasonable distance.

Similarly with his communication, i imagine he's thinking about doing his job right at the moment so is trying not to make any mistakes, not on wider aspects such as talking to defenders etc. Again as his confidence increases so will his communication.

Thank you ... I think.  :?  

Looks like he'll be in for a while, due to Smithy's reported hernia problem.  Keep up the good work Brez, get well soon Smithy. Could be handy having M'Bohli around.

Keeper is a weird position, in the nicest possible way Brez needs to get clattered by a striker when claiming a cross and to come out of it fine........once he has had a major hit, landed on his arm and came out OK it will help massively I would imagine. I still reckon he'll come good again

Yep, it's all about realising nothing hurts as much as you think it would, throwing myself of stuff on my board has taught me that.

unless he breaks the same arm again, then we're fucked

You're on form today.

Apparently I'm you. Had a happy pill today.

Back to his best today, that is all

1 mistake, but commanding.

Brez was very good today. His confidence is growing with every game. If smith is out for another month i can see Brez getting better and better and keeping his place in the side.

I was comfortable with Brez in goal today. Glad he's recovered his confidence!

A few simple camera saves, but best of all starting claiming the crosses and taking them rather than punching. He's got 3 or 4 weeks, and needs a few clean sheets

awesome against rovers, back to his best?

i thought he was back to his best against run run run run rovers

Let hope the superb game he has against Rovers boosted his confidence and he can keep up that sort of form and be back to his best

He played really well against Rovers.

When you are not getting a regular first team place, your form is bound to suffer. And when you have been out for a long time through injury, that is bound to affect you in some way.

Shame he will be the next cash cow come january.