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It seems almost inevitable that we will get a points deduction now that we have been hit with a transfer embargo for not paying footballing debts. Leeds lost points before this season for the very same reason... looks like the Football League is losing patience.  :cry:

other clubs have embargos on them.doesn't necessarily mean it will lead to a points deduction?
but anything could happen at stfc,it usually does!

Some fans will still stick up for the board even with  a 15pt deduction

To be fair most Transfer embargos are put in place due to being over the wage cap etc as opposed to not paying footballing debts.

Not quite yet, but if we continue to test the patience of the football league we won't be far off.

People are drawing a lot of similarities between us and the Bates/Leeds situation, when in fact there is quite a few major differences....

surely not?! whatever makes you think that?

we seem to have spent the majority of the past hundred thousand years under a transfer embargo, so i can't see a points deduction forthcoming.

Agreed.

Our case is more similar to QPR last month. They had a transfer embargo for breaking football league rules. They were not deducted points.
Also Coventry I believe are under an embargo, no speculation of them losing points either. (And I think they are £28m in debt..)

speculation speculation speculation

please stop it Gazza, or go and do it on your own board that nobody reads

its pissing me off

spot on, until I hear any official Football League confirmation regarding our club I am not interested in speculation

100% right. Its about not paying other clubs money owed within a reasonable timeframe. Cov owe Southampton money for a player, to our knowlege we owe Cheltenham money for tickets + anything else there might be

Its really not like Leeds.............

speculation? I was trying to draw comparisons with other situations and how it can affect us. I give up!

That is speculation and the sort of comment that gets peoples backs up and panicky.

Not helping mate

aint that whats goes on, on here everyday though?

But there no comparisons to make at the present moment, we are under an imbargo for not paying debts, all that will happen is that we won't be able to sign any players and any FL payments we are due the money owed will be taken from that.

If it was due to the failure to pay the CVA then you could talk points deduction but the FL are obviously not bothered about that.

Don't over exagerate when you don't need to, we know you've turned now as you used to be a board appologist once upon a time.

It's only administration that hails a points deduction though isn't it?

...or failure of a CVA (see scarborough, or what remains of them).

FFS, can everyone stop laying into Gary? OK, he may swing a little, but the guy's just calling it as he sees it. You may find it inconsistent, but he's a town fan thru and thru and it seems like he gets it in the neck no matter what he says. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Leave the bloke alone.

No

Shan't

When did you turn so fucking Ghey ?

 :mrgreen:

Agree with that Paul.

Paul beat me to it.

Leave Gary alone and stop being such cocks.

don't be soft, no one is picking on him.

Fucking ridiculous


Go on........................you lot go and get yourselves all wound up about something that is highly unlikely to happen, but there we go, I suppose it kitsch this autumn to be all radical and political, and to summise that the world is going to end

Well I for one have fucking had enough and am going for a lie down

 Paul Davis is just trying to butter up Gazzza.....not in a Maria Schneider/ Brando sort of way obviously....so that instead of him being made the scapegoat for all of STFC's ills, he can shift the blame onto Gazzza.

  Especially when we get deducted 15 points.

Hahahaha, Paul in super gary gay monkey love shock.

Why do we have to fight all the time? Can't we just all get along? I love you guys.

  Yeah man....as John Lennon said.....all you need is love.

John Lennon was a bit of knob.

 May the http://www.beatles.com/hub/gfx/articles/yeloSub/The%20Chief%20Blue%20Meanie.jpg

   pay you a nocturnal visit and convey you to the sea of holes in  nowhere land

Is that from Yellow Submarine? I've never seen it. Do I get deducted points for that or just a Transfer Embargo?

 Wouldn't it be ace if we'd signed some African called M'Bargo. I'm getting Deja Vu. I think I've done that joke before and it's not a good one.

  It just means you've got something good to look forward to.

  Presumably M'bargo would have just soent his time drinking in M Bargo.

With respect Fred, you posted on 9th October...

Consensus of opinion is that if this deal with the prtugeezers is not signed within 2 weeks we will enter liquidation.

Forget all the bullshit of other investors, it is too late to negotiate any other deals.

One word has sunk this deal.............GREED !!!!

Mike Diamandis and Sir Seaton Wills are looking to take £11m personally between them from the deal.

That stinks I am afraid.

WE HAVE GOT 2 WEEKS MAX TO PERSUADE THEM OTHERWISE.

IT IS NOW UP TO THE FANS

IF YOU WANT A FOOTBALL CLUB, BE PREPARED TO FIGHT FOR IT NOW, BEFORE ITS TOO LATE !!!

I guess we all get passionate about it sometimes

Closely followed Nev by a statement from Bob Holt stating that we are teetering on the brink of liquidation.

Based on FACT not speculation Nev, two totally different things

We would have gone into liquidation if it were not for that payment to HMRC.

I'm so bored of all this crap  :sleep:

If the football club dies, will you all still come on here and post on General Discussion? I might get lonely otherwise.

I think the Board are going to eat all our souls if we go into liquidation, that's everyone that goes to the game anyway.

So you, the TEF two, Alan and Oxford Fan could keep the forum going for a bit. And maybe Toni if she has a panic attack before the soul eating takes place. Maybe Mex will get to contribute to a TEF bukkake party after all.

Point taken Fred.   (on the basis that you believe Bob Holt's statement of course - and there are plenty on here who choose to disbelieve most of what the Board say)

For example, in Samdy's post above, how do we know that we would have gone into liquidation without the payment?

None of us are lilywhite on the subject  though - if we had to wait for everything to be based on fact the forum would be sparsely populated .

FWIW  I think Gary is one of the more 'provocative' examples of the genre (and not in a good way)

Just my opinion like

I need a shit

That is the only fact in this thread

'There is no shit.'

R Holt, Esq.

SHUT UP FRED!

This is an inter net forum what else are people mean't to do apart from speculate thats what half off all conversations are speculate! I bet tonight one you go home you have a chat with someone where you will speculate be it about your helath, intrest rest what ever.

Simply, if you don't like the sound of thread don't bloddy read it!

Since when did you become the gurdain of the townend and since when did you have the right to sielnce other people???? :twisted:

shut up you fat cunt

Shut the fuck up Toddy, you're out of your element.

Whats my element? Fuck, even I dont know

No need to get personal and for your information I am not fat it's wind!

There is speculation and there is scaremongering GFM.

I am not professing to be the guardian of the TEF, just pointing out the fact that comments like Gary's just winds people up.

yeah. i'm the guardian of the TEF.

Nah, I'd say you're more of an Independent or Daily Express.

 SY is more like the Daily Mail of the TEF.

that is downright insulting.

I do not believe the Daily Mail will take any offence at the comparison.

Apparantly we have been told by the league that if the cva is not settled in full by 01/12/07 we will obtain a 15 point deduction

And your custard is???

true

failed CVA is -10 points, not -15.

not that -10 points is much better, but the point is that some things are being said now which are blatantly false.

Is there a set points deduction for each offence? If the CVA doesn't get paid I'd assume that would mean administration, hence the -15 points, because that's the new precedent set by Leeds.

they have had 5 years to pay this, Bills money was to pay this, totally unacceptable

the leeds -15 points penalty was, basically, because they didn't set up a CVA.

the scarborough -10 points penalty was because they failed a CVA.

The Leeds thing was because they failed to come out of administration before the start of the season.

Scarborough aren't even in the football league.

You're 'facts' are as good as anyone elses. I'm not saying you're wrong but your posts are equally as speculative as the rest of everyone elses, mine included.

may i suggest that you go and read up on the leeds situation?

here, i will help:

leeds situation (http://www.accountancyage.com/accountancyage/news/2195698/leeds-enters-league-without-cva)

looking at the bigger picture here, if we expect a 15 point deduction then we will all be quite pleased if it's only 10.

a pessimist is never disappointed.

Reading up on it again, it seems I have got my wires completely crossed. The penalty was for not entering a cva.

However, the points penalty was unprecedented...the fact that they breached the insolvency rules is key, because we would be doing the same. If the cva isn't paid we've breached the rules and they could effectively give us any punishment they wish I'd imagine.

Again, that's speculative, but then so is saying we will only get a 10 point deduction or any deduction at all.