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massa on pole, lewis second, kimi third, alonso fourth.

massa is almost certainly running light to control the race. i would have kimi as favourite to win this, but alonso has been there and done it all before.

this should make for good viewing, a great end to the best season i've ever seen.

I agree I believe Kimi will win, Massa can play a big part in not only the race but the world title as well. I should image Alonso second, Hamilton third

Kimmi win is good news for Lewis. Far better than an Alonso win anyway. I'll settle for a kimmi, Hamilton, Alonso 3 car pile up in the 1st corner please :)

I reckon they'll all crash into each other at the first corner and Hamilton will win the championship that way. That would amuse me somewhat.

what time does it start?

4 on ITV, race starts at 5.

I wouldn't be suprised to see one or two of the title contenders crash out or retire from this race.

Warm weather there today, will have to see if it effects the race.

MCLAREN USE THE CORRECT TYRES FOR THE CONDITIONS!

after the footy and rugby

Hamilton is bound to mess up and lose it....

I hope not, but thats the way its been going for England

Interesting start.  Hamilton cocked up, but Alonso is only 3rd and Hamilton is 7th.  Hamilton should gain some places, so Alonso still needs to win ir eckon

Plank. Loads to do now.

Hamilton was a poor start, no need to fight alonso just stay close and teh titles yours!

He only needs 5th which he probably will do.  Passing the BMW's could prove dificult.  Come on Kubica for Poland!!!

Hes 18th now

What needs to happen for Raikonen to win the title?

shit the bed now, hes in 18th!

He's 18th though, with engine trouble  :?

WTF happened?

SABOTAGE!

The pressure got to him.  He started 2nd, but a good start by both Ferrari's put Hamilton into 3rd.  I think one of the Ferari's then blocked Hamilton thus allowing Alonso to take over Hamilton on the outside.

Then Hamilton got a bit of a rush to the head, and did some silly move, which then put him in 8th place.

He then went into 7th place,  then ITV decided to have 5 minutes worth of breaks.  Then wehen the breaks finished Hamilton was all of the sudden in 18th with engine problems

Stupid adverts

back up to 11th now, lets hope he can get 6 more places.

i'm trying to place a bet on ladbrokes for him to win the race, its on a live bet but i cant select it...showing at 50-1 as well!

He is creeping back up there. Pit stops will be key now then.

Oooh, got to be worth a tenner if you can get it to work!

done  8)

the commentator is off the fucking chain!

What a move by Hamilton to overtake Barrichello. God this guy really wants it!

haha what a pit stop!

ha ha ace, run your own pit crew over ha ha

i think he's broken the poor gits ankle.

shit happens  :D

Damn it, looking at the lap times he isn't making much of an impression on the 3 places he needs to make (low 1:14s). Hard to tell because he might be a bit fatter on fuel. 33s in 22 laps he has to make up.

Only hope - retirements and everyone else has to use the option tyres yet.

ABA rules now apply to the WC. Annyone But Alonso :)

Another Hamilton stop. WTF. Game over man, game over.

Boooooooo. The most boring world champion ever. For sure. Good race apart from the result.

Cant believe hamilton blew it!!! For Fuck Sake

Well its good Ferrari won, as McLaren used underhand tactics during the season to gain an upperhand over Ferrari.

The Finn is boring however, but he did the job in the end and a worthy winner.

Perhaps Maclaren will not sort out their team.  If they were a team and not two individuals then they would of won.  By fighting with each other they lost the team the championship which is teh worst thing they could of done

what a shit weekend for british sport. at least swindon won and we have not gone bust yet!

They lost due to a bit of bad luck, and at the last race with the idiot decision not to bring Hamilton in 3 laps earlier.

Also, arguably, had they gone down the Ferrari (Shumi/Barrichello) route of having a definite #1 and a supporting driver they'd have won it, though probably with Alonso.

At the end of the day the man with the most wins is world champion

I am not surprise he cocked it up/there was a problem.
I wish I would have gone down the bookies and bet on Kimi now

shame about the engine as i think he's have won it if it wasn't for that. Great drive by the Ferrari's though. They got it tactically right from the start. Hamilton had a good race apart from his early blip and he just didn't have enough time in the end. I think Mclaren made a mistake with the 3 stops for Hamilton as well. Oh well not to be for the second time this weekend. At least we finally have a British driver that looks very good though. It's long time since we last said that.

[quote="]Oh well not to be for the second time this weekend. At least we finally have a British driver that looks very good though. It's long time since we last said that.[/quote]

Jenson Button ;) If he gets a top car he could be world champion.

That's the first GP i've watched for ages. WFT is with so many adverts! As someone mentioned earlier, the defining part of the race happened during the commercial break!!

I miss Murray Walker as well! :evil:

Same here. First time i have really sat down and watched one properly for a long time. The advert breaks are pathetic. I saw one race a couple of years back and they took a break with 1 lap to go. WTF?

I used to watch in the era of Mansell, Piquet, Prost and Senna, those were great times. To a lesser extent I also watched Damon Hill a bit but not as avidly.

The Damon Hill days were great. Too young to remember the Mansell and Senna era really. This season has been good though. I'm always busy with my band on Sundays so i haven't seen much of it but today was a good race. Much better than it has been for a while especially now Shuie has gone.

boooooooo. Haven't seen it yet, but doesn't sound too good.

Ah well, i've said all along that raikonnen would win it. Hamiltons time will come though.

boooooooo. Haven't seen it yet, but doesn't sound too good.

Ah well, i've said all along that raikonnen would win it. Hamiltons time will come though.

Reports on BBC one news that BMW's under investigation for fuel irregularities which means they could be excluded, thus Hamilton could still win the championship.  :shock:

I was waiting for something like this to happen.

It's little wonder I stopped watching formula 1 many years ago.

Hmmm. SSN reporting this now, possibility of drivers/teams getting kicked out. Bit of a farce.

British press clutching at straws I feel.

Must admit that was my first reaction aswell.

Inquiry casts doubt on F1 title  
 
BMW's cars held up Hamilton during the race
Kimi Raikkonen's world title has been thrown into doubt following an inquiry into the cars of BMW Sauber and Williams at the Brazilian Grand Prix.
Race stewards are investigating alleged irregularites with the cars' fuel.

Williams's Nico Rosberg was fourth in the race, followed by BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld.

If they were disqualified, McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton would be promoted to fourth, giving him enough points to displace Raikkonen as world champion.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7055644.stm

If upheld, Raikkonen reign as F1 champ could be the shortest on record...

It is also on the official website as well :

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7023.html

IF this did happen, and hamilton did get the points, then raikonnen would somehow keep the world championship. Because he drives for ferrari, and ferrari run the FIA

I think Hamilton would have more class than to except the title under these circumstances.

This happened in the 90s with Schumacher and Coulthard and they both got their points reinstated after being disqualified.

I hope they don't disqualify those drivers

f1 is a farce

There was no penalty Kimi confirmed as World Champion

But McLaren are set to appeal.

I'd leave it well alone if I was them as will ruin F1.  This season has been surrounded by controversy, this is the last thing the sport needs.

I think it would be an embarassment (sp?) if Hamilton won the world title on a technicality.

How can they protest? Alonso finished third in the same car with presumably the same fuel? Are McClaren admitting to using illegal fuel on only one of their cars? Best just accept defeat and admit that Hamilton fucked up royaly on the first lap.

But Alonso isn't involved in the Fuel saga, its BMW and Williams.

Nico Rosberg finished fourth in his Williams while the BMW duo of Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld were fifth and sixth.

Its those three drivers who allegedly breached fuel regulations.

Loving the FIA turning yet another blind eye to something that aids ferrari. The ferraris were completely head and shoulders above yesterday, but if there was wrong-doing further down the grid, it should be dealt with.


fair enough to mclaren for contesting the decision, bmw and williams have been bitching and winging all season about the super aguris and any other teams they could to try and get the results overturned. grrrrrrr

I have a couple of questions.

Why was their fuel illegal?

What punishment have they already received?

Is this really sport?  I really don't think it is.  F1 is awful nowadays.

Something to do with the temperature. It was colder therefore one full BMW tank could fuel the car for longer than one full McLaren tank.

Really, how clever's that?

fuel is denser at cooler temperatures so you can refuel quicker and it can give you 5-10 extra horsepower. In these cases it was a matter ot 2-4 degrees so the difference would be negligible. Still broke the rules but wouldn't have affected the outcome.

Given that both Maclaren drivers had been caught with Ferrari data, it is a bit hypocritical of them to complain

0.2 of a lap quicker apparently........

Does anyone have any more info about the gearbox gremlin that effectively ended Hamilton's chances?  All I can find is it went into neutral then fixed itself about 20 seconds later.  It's sounds dodgy as hell to me, usually if the gearbox goes AWOL that's it for the race.  Conspiracy theories welcome 8)

Not strictly true, it was never proved that the drivers were aware of the Ferrari documents or data related to them, and nor was it proved that the data was put to any use.

It was proved however that all of McLaren's design ideas were original and also proved that Ferrari won the Australian Grand Prix with an illegal car for which they were never docked points.

I think McLaren are only trying to make a point with the FIA more than anything else.

True, but rules are rules and Mclaren are well within their rights to appeal.

Although if I were Hamilton I wouldn't be disheartened by his finish to the season. For a rookie, he was fucking superb this season and he will only get better.

Sorry, what I meant was the Maclaren team not drivers.
No action to affect the drivers championships will be taken. Points off BMW and Williams constructors likely if any action at all taken

Nobody's a winner. Not until they bring in the midgets on zoo animals.

haha i just searched  midgets riding animals on youtube and found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRnIXnBcAAo

much more interesting than your average f1 race

If they weren't midgets that would never have been allowed  :D

Anyone see Antiques roadshow last night ? One of the items was a painting of a monkey(or possibly a hairy midget) fighting a dog

Just right for over the fireplace eh ?

and maclaren were punished for that. Even more reason for them to have a right to appeal really

An in depth technical argument as to why Lewis screwed up...

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41183

thats a good insight, however his mistake at the beginning played a big part, but was not considered.
I don't think Alonso will win the championship again as he looks to be on his way from Maclaren.
Next season unless the BMWs/Renualts improve it will between Hamilton, Kimi and perhaps Massa.

the ultimate irony being that if maclaren didnt operate an equality policy, he would have won the title with races to spare.

Yes but the mistake only put him 7th. He would have finished 4th or 5th without that fuck up.

A few seasons in a couple of the teams would give the zoo animals water which was cooler than what regulations allow though.