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I'm voting Conservative or not at all if they piss me off in the next few months

Cant believe some of you cunts want 5 more years of this farcical labour government.

New stealth taxes all round!

i am not voting for any of them they are all going to screw us one way or another!

Blair out!!!!  Although the choice of suitbale replacements is rather worrying.

The year after next our council tax is gonna rocket, great can't wait to work until August to pay off your annual tax bill.  Fucking rip off Britain.

who is it that have adverts up at the moment sayin they are going to reduce nummber of foreigners in the country...il vote for them...ash its not the BNP

Conservatives are talking about reducing foerigners!

I will be voting labour probably but that is mainly because of a lack of a decent alternative!  I must admit to being a labour member though, although that is liable to change!  

I do feel that generally Labour have not done a bad job really!  A lot of hype has been made of some issues, particularly iraq and taxes!

A lot of hype has been made of "some issues".  Invading a country on the basis of falsehoods, is quite a big issue Titch!!

I would vote Lib Dem but it would be wasted.(Actually is this true in Swindon?) so I will stick with Labour.Anybody who thinks they will be better off under the Tories is mistaken.Everything that is still holding this country back is the result of years of Torie spending cuts.I dont trust Blair but Howard is 10 times worse.

I agree Iraq is a big issue but i do genuinely believe that Blair believed he was doing the right thing!  In my opionion it could have been handled a hell of a lot better but i don't believe he did it lightly!  

The problem is we don't really know what exactly Blair knew about the evidence and whether or not he knew it to be a bit dodgy!  We are led to believe he did not know but can't be sure so that is up to each individual to make their own mind up!

I just have to look at Howard and see Paxman making him look an absolute and utter tool over and over again.

Until they put Boris Johnson in charge I'm voting Kilroy.  Did anyone else see his week with the Gypsies on channel 4 last night?  Not as much controversy as I would have liked but at the end he blubbed because they got booted off their land.

Boris Johnson in charge of the country would be very interesting.  A little scarey but very interesting.

First of all im not BNP - IM conservative! Thats where my vote is, kick the foreigners out and look after property and business owners!

You fucking racist bastard.  BNP members like you should be banned from living.     :wink:

This is quite an interesting issue!

Do you actually not like foreigners being in this country because you don't like them or because you see them as stretching our resources?  There is quite a distinction between the two obviously and is very important!

If we're talking about the welsh, both options apply.   :wink:

:soapy tit wank:

Personally I like the fact we live in a multi-cultural society, I'm not anti-foreigner in the slightest.  Although I do think the Tories may gain a hell of a lot of votes with this policy.

I am with Jan.  I think the fact we are so multi-cultural is what helps to make this country!  I do believe there are some very serious issues with regards it though such as over-the-top controls on what we can do in our own country yet we have to show respect for other peoples faiths and beliefs (which is quite right of course).

I do agree that there needs to be limits and a better asylum/imigration policy does need to be seriously looked at!  I too agree JA  that Conservative could get many votes because of this.  A lot has happened since the last election on this front to make this an important  election issue!

they live off my taxes- well if I paid them! But yes I am slightly rascist I wont lie.

This may come as a shock to many of you, but I will be voting Lib Dem. Simply because I agree with pretty much all of their policies more so than any others. If the Tories get power I might have to move to Spain, where they actually have a socialist government.

Yeovil I thought the Lib Dems do well in Swindon, so I don't think it's a wasted vote.

I don't mind the Lib Dems, in fact i voted them when i could first vote!  Main reason i  tend to support labour is because i agree with Social Democratic values and the general party philosphy.  I must admit to not being overly enamoured with them currently but i am still drawn because of the core values!

For me some of the lib dem policies don't stack-up and a couple i do not really agree with!

Lib Dems are a bunch of wish-washies still trying to find a niche, the Tories are a joke and Labour won't win around here.

 The irony here if you like, is that the Tories have always been the party pro immigration....precisely because they are the party of property and business owners.....in order for businesses to run successfully you needed a supply of cheap and disorganised labour to tap into....Labour on the other hand representing unionised workers, was always more restrictive in its outlook, but with a humane aspect..

 Howard knows full well especially as an immigrant himself that his policy claims are unworkable, and from the prospect of the macro ecomomy downright undesirable.....but he's always been economic with the actualite.

But how close to the party philosophy are Labour anymore? They're becoming closer and closer to the Tories. I've got nothing against Labour and I'd consider voting for them if Blair was standing down, but I don't like the direction the country is heading in. The Lib Dems best represent what I want. Out of interest, which Lib Dem policies don't you agree with?

i'd definitely not vote connie.

but other than that, the parties are so similar that i'll be spoiling the ballot. i would urge anyone that's not considering voting to do the same; if you don't vote (spoiling is still voting) then nobody knows you're pissed off.

That is exactly the reason i am not as happy as i could be with them, but noone, short of extremists, come close to the core values so it' is a bit frustrating!

The main policy i don't agree with is the 50% tax for a couple of reasons.  Firstly it does not help innovation as you put in so much hard work and see half your money gone (unless you have a good accountant  :wink: )
I agree that  the richer people should help out more than the average person but 50% is too extreme!

With regards Iraq.  I think it is wrong to start a phased withdrawal of troops wit  a year-end deadline!  I do not beleive this will help the region currently and i feel they are saying this because they just do not agree with the war and are not taking the current situation into account!

Also, I do not want us to join the Euro and they are very pro it (i know labour are also)!

Totally agree with that!  We are lucky to have the democracy we do and it does annoy me when people moan constantly but then don't vote!!  At least, as you say, spoling your ballot makes a point!

Im afraid the pensioners hold the cards in this election and many will vote Conservative because they got away with paying low taxes through out the Thatcher years.

Thier lack of investment in the country has led to the need for younger people to pay more now to cover the masive neglect of the Health Service (still the best in the world for all its faults) Education and Social Services.Blame them for the need to have tuition fees and higher taxes its that simple but no politician will ever have the guts to say it as grey power is on the rise.

People on thetownend.com talking politics! I never thought I'd see the day!

I don't trust Blair any more than most, but just looking at Howard swings me straight off the Conservatives.

I have no problem with foreigners and think its essential that some live here. The  only problem in my opinion is how there is so much anti-racism going on that we the English don't seem to count any more.

There is the BBC Asian radio station. What would people have said if they set up a station specifically aimed at whites?

We do too much to accomodate them. If I moved to India I would expect to have to live like an Indian. I wouldn't fort one minute think that people over there would bend the rules to accomodate my English traditions.

There is NO way I'm voting for that Blair cunt or that Howard cunt or that Ginger cunt.  Assuming they stand round my way, I will vote GREEN.  End of.

You in a bad mood today OST?  Never seen so many cunts in one sentence!!

Thats the thing i lived in saudi arabia for 4 years ex pats got treated like shit. we'd have to go out of our way to accomodate to their ways of life and the way THEY wanted us to live...we are in their country so in a way its fair enough.
But as soon as they come back to our country they want the power so everything can be changed for them...mosques being built, all asian schools, the respect they aparently deserve.....
If they get all of this then why dont people get it abroad....
REALLY gets to me...

Glad somebody agrees. thought I might have got slaughtered for those remarks!

Not at all...if you do its unfair because they are completely true.

:beers

No I am not in a bad mood McSporran.  Not by any means.  I know the word cunt is  a very strong one but sometimes, nothing else will do.  In relation to Blair, Howard and Kennedy, I can think of nothing more suitable than the word CUNT.

So there.

Totally agree with you reeves!  It comes to something when we can't even put our England flags out where we want during a football championship for fear of racism!  The sad thing is there are racists that use it but for the vast majority of us it is our home and we want to be able to live here how we see fit and not having to worry about this stuff!

I am more than happy to have foreighners here, in fact i embrace it, but i do beleive the balanced needs to be re-dressed!

I was talking about the use of the words "Bl**r, H*ward and
Kennedy..."  Three cunts in one sentence.  Hardcore.

Although I reckon Charlie boys got his good points.

They all ahve their good points (except Blair and Howard!) :mrgreen:

Lookin at it from another angle, walkin through town you see foreigner sat on the benches watchin the girls go buy every so often hissing (yes hissing) at them. what do they do during the day just sit about causing trouble?

I am pretty sure there is an element of that, i would be amazed if there was not!  But you get that in every society i am afraid!

Because a British person has never done that, obviously.

Of all the ridiculous generalisation and stereotyping I've ever seen, that's by far the strangest.

True. But I do find ot annoying the way that people believe black people aren't racist.

Some black's are racist. Some aren't. BUT SOME ARE!
People seem to think racism is a one way thing and that really gets my hypothetical tits up!

What I love about that is that under his current policy he would have been sent packing years ago.

 In fact back in the day had it not been for a Labour MP's intervention his old man would have been back on that Banana boat faster than Harold Shipman up a pensioner’s leg.

Surely most people appreciate that Reeves?!  I think for anyone to think otherwise shows incredible narrow-mindedness!

This has gone from "Who will you vote for" to "Should foreigners be allowed in to the UK"

How strange when all politicias go on about is education and the NHS! (mostly)

Im probably biased because of my own personal experiences. Your right english lads do do it and shout and whistle etc. but we have paid for these people to come into our country just to sit about the streets???

Well, immigration is a political subject and one that the majority of people seem to care about most these days.

Im probably biased because of my own personal experiences. Your right english lads do do it and shout and whistle etc. but we have paid for these people to come into our country just to sit about the streets???[/quote]

Fair enough, but there's loads of white British people on the dole and/or sitting around on the streets as well, sponging off the government and living off the taxes people pay but people don't seem to care so much because they're white Brits, or at least that's how it looks to me. The Lib Dems are proposing to help immigrants find work so they don't have to rely on benefits. Whilst this won't make people who are too lazy to work do anything, it's a step in the right direction.

Personally I think a multi-cutural society can only be a positive thing.

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Fair enough, but there's loads of white British people on the dole and/or sitting around on the streets as well, sponging off the government and living off the taxes people pay but people don't seem to care so much because they're white Brits, or at least that's how it looks to me. The Lib Dems are proposing to help immigrants find work so they don't have to rely on benefits. Whilst this won't make people who are too lazy to work do anything, it's a step in the right direction.

Personally I think a multi-cutural society can only be a positive thing.[/quote]

Okay thats fair enough but when we bring them to our country to help them out....they re pay us by rising crime levels? seems very un just and in my opinion its declining our society.

But it's not only immigrants that are responsible for crime.

I'll vote lib dem because they are the party I agree with most, and because they are the only ones here who can get the tories out.  On the whole though I hate all political parties.

I believe in 50% tax for those earning over £100,000 pounds a year(if you're earning that much you do have a very good accountant, Titch :wink:)  Those on lower incomes propotionally pay more tax than those on high incomes, and the only reason our highest rate is 40% is because of a fear in this country of the the time when you could pay 90p in the pound.  Most other European countries have 50% tax.

Also, I think the main problem with asylum in this country is to do with the system in place to deal with it.  People know they can come here and wait 4 years before being told they have to go back, and generally get away without going back even when they do.  How there are so many young Kosovan men in this country, I don't know.

There is a massive difference between immigration and what most people see as the spongers.  

Immigrants do not have any recourse to public funds and as a result don't really cost any of us a great deal and that's part of the conditions to be met before they are granted a visa / settlement in the first place.  

Your spongers come for the best part under the asylum seekers category.  By claiming false asylum they are not allowed to work (legally) and then get public funds to maintain and accomodate themselves.  

The main problem exists not in the immigration system but in the asylum system, which needs to get tougher and quicker Ozzie style.

Totally agreed. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with people coming to live in this country either as asylum seekers or just to work, but the system needs to work properly first.

The media only ever shows the negative side of immigration as well.  My personal pet hate comment is 'what would our grandfathers who fought in the war think if they could see our country now!'  Well my grandad worked on the underground with the West Indians who keep it going after the war, and I know what he thought.  He liked reggae too 8)   The NHS also only exists today because of immigration.

For those of you that feel a vote for the lib dems is a wasted vote or for those who would like to see the lib dems as the official opposition it's worth taking a look at http://www.tacticalvoter.net/?show=index&
It's a website dedicated to arranging vote swapping between labour and liberal democrat voters in marginal constituencies in an attempt to marginalise the Tories.

Quote from website:

“In the past, a Liberal Democrat in a seat where his party were running third and had no prospect of winning had two choices: vote LibDem, knowing his vote would be thrown away; or vote tactically for the Labour Party to try and prevent a Conservative from winning.

Vote swapping offers a new option: use the Internet to find a Labour supporter stranded somewhere Labour can't win, and make a pact to "swap" votes, support each other's parties and have the best chance of beating the Conservatives in both seats.

That way, you get a tactical vote for your party in exchange: two votes that can make a difference instead of two votes that are thrown away.

In 2001, Labour swappers on tacticalvoter.net clinched the Lib Dem victory in Cheadle, while Lib Dem swappers helped Labour to victory in Dorset South. This time, we're looking for more scalps.”

Shouldnt get a penny from us! They should speak my language and work! I hate layabouts, white or black/asian!

We do. We have several radio statitions that are in general aimed at whites, and also, black people. The Asian culture and music is very different to the mainstream music scene. You never hear Asian music Radio 1 etc., so why can't they a station that does play it?


I bet the leader of the Greens is a cunt as well, or would be if he were in Blair's position.

Is this supposed to be ironic?

Im happy for them to earn just not live off me!

Boooo, I missed out on these political hot potatoes.

You can't beat a good political debate/discussion i find!  :)

the hot potatoe comment reminds me of the old Alan Partridge scetch!  I wet myself everytime i see that! classic!

can i have a second series?

do you want me to lapdance for you?

*pvc thong and wolly jumper*

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick

Another thing I don't like is people coming from other countries and taking up places at Universities etc. that would have gone to more suitable Britons.

The unis get paid a certain amount for every foreign student they have, thus encouraging them to take on more and more making it harder for us to achieve in life!

R4E, huge amounts of english people go to universities, and this country makes a fortune off of foreign students.  In fact if we didn't have the money that they bring in, less english people would be able to do degrees.

Now back to Alan Partridge :D

that'd bollocks i'm afraid.

more english people than ever are going to university nowadays, too many IMO. it's lessening the value of having a degree.

and you clearly know nothing about what you're talking about.

plus, a lot of foreign students are form Hong Kong or China, and pay stupid amounts to go to uni in Britain (£thousands).

I will be voting for the Conservatives probably. Tony Blair seems to chuck money at everything which doesn't necessarily fix problems and Mr Kennedy seemingly makes up policies as he goes along. The government over the years has fucked up the education system and i would like to see this sorted. There are far too many places available at uni and some course requirements are a joke. Blair's plans to pay people to do courses after school has angered me also.

I agree that they have tend to think that chucking money at a problem fixes it!  They have tried this several times in the NHS with different projects and fucked them up big time (the company i work for writes software for the NHS and we have made loads as a result of their incompetance).  They come up with one "golden-plan" only to change their mind again shortly afterwards, in the mean-time wasting large amounts of tax-payers money!

With regards education it has been very mixed.  Early Childhood (pre-school) has improved greatly, mainly as a result of extra money, but does still need further improvement.  I also feel the generl education does need a major sort out but this is mainly because of the National Curriculum.  My girlfriend is an early-years educationalist  so i do get a fair amount of inside knowledge from this.

Foreign students practically pay for the rest of us to go to uni

J1mmy please read the following -

"The following are barred from voting in general elections: members of the House of Lords; convicted prisoners; anybody found guilty of election corruption within the last five years; people with learning disabilities or a mental illness who are incapable of making a reasoned judgement"

Looks like you can't vote BNP after all.    :wink:

well folks you have a choice. more tax under labour or less tax under the tories. more wasted money under labour and less under the tories. can the nhs get worse? no. can immigration get worse? no. so vote tory and get rid of that twat tony blair!

18 years of Tory rule is teh reason that we are still struggling in some areas.  They can't be let back in again.

I'm voting UKIP...  :?

That was a party political party announcement by Rich.

:soapy tit wank:

Exactly right!  Apart from the UKIP part!

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick

if they got their basic maths right then people might start considering voting tory.

it's also hilarious how loads of the tory cabinet were for the iraq war, now all of a sudden they're against it and are using it against blair (not even the way it was conducted - that we went at all).

no chance anyway, its going to be more labour.

The Yanks think they've got it bad because they have a Two Party System but we have a ONE Party system FFS!

I hate MP's.

Martin Bell should form his own party - He is one cool guy 8)

having read through this thread the level of ignorance on certain issues beggars belief, being just old enough to remember thatcher any thoughts of going back to a tory govt however badly the labour party have let people down, is just unthinkable, dont forget howard was the man behind the poll tax.

The Tory policy seems to be receive less money, spend more. The maths doesn't work.

Say the governemnt has £100bn to spend now, and it is spending that £100m.
The Tories want to reduce the money they have, but spend more=DEBT!

LIKE THE RUNNING OF THIS FUCKING 'FOOTBALL CLUB'!

Mark Devlin for Prime Minister.  He'll sort it out.

I think thats not a bad idea!  Another idea, we could all start the TEF political party?!  :?

depends if they're part of the EU or not i think. i know for certain that the Chinese/Hong Kong/Malaysian students pay tons more than us Brits

i'd prefer it if William Hague or Portillo were leaders of the Tories  :D

exactly right, thought i'd steer clear in order not to get annoyed, im 18 on the 4th but i wont be voting because i didnt bother to register, stupidly

ignorance of race issues make me so fucking angry, phrases like "our country" and "we pay" make me want to stab myself in my legs. multi cultural societies are fucking brilliant, of course you'll get some crime from kosovan or any of that lot, but you'll also get an improvement in economy among other things from them.

and marie i would expect you to be alot more open minded considering you lived in dubai for half your bloody life as an immigrant.

there will always be the greedy people with the "no dont let the darkies in because they spend my money init, plus we won da wars" for fucks sake whats the problem with them? this isnt related to politics really, just fundamental and unjust racism.

what about the geezer who hacked a pensioners head off in the street or the cannibal who eat his friend's brain? both white, it's not a question of race, and that is why the mythical soaring crime rates when credited to immigrants gets my back up.

there is a problem with the system, not with individual ethnicities in society, that is why racism is so stupid

Very very well put!  :D

spot on, well said, very much agreed.

my mate is from the philippians and he pays £8000 a year at my uni, but it's more for certain courses

Took this test  which was on the trust site
http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/
and my results were
Labour -1
Conservative -33
Liberal Democrat 44
UKIP -8
Green 7

I was going to vote lib dem anyway, lets be honest any of the others would be a wasted vote.

Disappointing the lib dems didn't get more votes, they won the last poll on here

didn't think you lot were capable of talking about the government...... fair play  8)

i can't vote so i don't care  :)

i got labour on the link bwb provided, a very useful tool (the link, not ben). that's what i expected too.

Vote Ginger

The percentage vote for each party on here at the moment is pretty much exactly the same as the polls.

Does anyone here want student fees abolished? Just wondered if any students agrred they should stay?

Lab -36
Tories -35
Lib Dem +50
UKIP 0
Green +27

Yeah!!  I am Charlie Kennedy!  Now where's a tree, I need a hug!

i'm a student and i think they should stay. you?

education up to a point (18) should be provided for free with the option of going private. if you can't afford university after that, work for a bit and save up. plus there are plenty of grants/scholarships on offer. if you can't afford it after that then tough luck in my books.

"at the end of the day" someone's going to have to foot the bill, and uni's aren't exactly flush with cash. the government already pay most of what it's costing to fund me being a student, i don't mind me (or, rather, my parents) having to give a little towards my degree.

in fact, i'd favour charging people who are minted more money to go to uni.

I think virtually exactly the same as you.  Its the most logical way of providing higher education.

Labour 42
Conservative -7        
Liberal Democrat 1
UK Independence Party 1
Green 1

Just what i thought i would get!

The chinese chippy opposite the CG make the best chips in the world.Long live the hard-working immigrants!!

New Labour-Old Tories.For the first time in history I will not be voting Labour,but having said that I would rather die than vote Tory

Labour 36
Conservative -20      
Liberal Democrat 6
UK Independence Party -9      
Green -18

labour -22`
conservative -76
lib dem +106!!
ukip -16
green +41

looks like im voting lib dem then

Labour 9
Conservative -18      
 Liberal Democrat 17
UK Independence Party -11      
Green -1

Labour -10      
Conservative -35      
Liberal Democrat 42
UK Independence Party 5
Green 31

I'm going to start selling Socialist Worker at Town games this forum is full of lefties.

Keep the red flag flying high :wink:

Labour -5
 Tories  -83
 Lib Dem 92
 UKIP -20
 Green 26

 As long as the tories don't get in I'm not arsed.

Labour -10
tories -9
Lib dem 5
uk independance 2
green Party 14

um...who the hell are the green party!?  :oops:

my law teacher:

http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/rugby/tm_objectid=15394850%26method=full%26siteid=50003-name_page.html

he's not really gonna stand though, just doing it for a bit of publicity.

he has been banned from the labour party though and is a socialist these days.

hippies, basically.

They promote smoking weed Johno,I think you must be a repressed druggie. 8)

yes true OF but who told the tories the wrong information? they thought we were going in to get WMD but soon found out there wernt any. so why did we go to war? thats the tory arguement. Labour got it wrong again? when dont they?

I fucking hate hippies

Anyone else think that the Conservartive "Are you thinking what we're thinking?" slogan thing sounds like something the nazi's might have come up with.

Cutting down on asylum, fair enough. I'm scared he's gonna start rounding people up into camps.

the point is that currently asylum seekers are left to roam around as they please for 48 hours whilst the immigration officers investigate them (as it takes too long for the level of asylum seekers). the tories plan to put them in one of these villages - so the asylum seekers whereabouts are known. i think this is a good idea, and it wouldn't necessarily cut down on the number of asylum seekers

hahaha, warsaw ghetto springs tomind. get a grip, sort the fucking system out and stop so many of them getting in