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Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: yeo on Monday, September 10, 2007, 19:59:21 Were the England Punters right to boo him?
All the ex pros on the Radio think its mindless morons that did this.Personally I think he let his country down and if you pay £80 or whatever to support England you are fully entitled to express your displeasure. Title: Re: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, September 10, 2007, 20:08:46 Quote from: "Yeovil Red" Were the England Punters right to boo him? All the ex pros on the Radio think its mindless morons that did this.Personally I think he let his country down and if you pay £80 or whatever to support England you are fully entitled to express your displeasure. he was a prat in the summer, simple but he deserves a chance Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: kevjoycreed on Monday, September 10, 2007, 20:21:05 Perhaps, as he was subbed onto the field, lets face it, it was a brave decision to drop out of the U21 squad.
However the continued booing for the remainder of the game was uncalled for. I also think McLarens comments about the booing after the game were way off the mark, implied that he should have expected it and it was deserved so he should just accept it and get on with it, pfft. What he should have done was come out in full support of the lad and given a clear message to the "fans" who booed it's not helpfull. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: yeo on Monday, September 10, 2007, 20:28:59 So by expressing a dislike to an England players previous actions you become a "fan" instead of a fan?
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: sonic youth on Monday, September 10, 2007, 20:31:06 unlike many footballers in this day and age, bentley has half a brain and i respect him for his honesty.
don't blame those who booed him either. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: redbullzeye on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:07:45 If Bentley goes on to have a stormer and scores a couple of goals it will all be forgotten. In the end we just want the tossers to perform whether it's Swindon or England. Logic says you don't hassle your own players during the match but I'm very guilty of having a moan when someone fucks it up - but thats what you pay your money for :D
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:09:59 I'm not really arsed either way. I just want players in the team that can win games. If one of them's Bentley fair play, if not then oh well.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: oxford_fan on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:17:48 I was there when Crouch was booed - now that was unjustified. Class act.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: reeves4england on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:20:47 Bentley wasn't booed for his lack of ability though, whereas Crouch was booed because some thought he was crap. I don't blame people for booing Bentley because most of those people would have done anything to have been given the chance to do what he turned down. But I wouldn't have booed if I had been there...
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: redbullzeye on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:29:14 Quote from: "reeves4england" Bentley wasn't booed for his lack of ability though, whereas Crouch was booed because some thought he was crap. I don't blame people for booing Bentley because most of those people would have done anything to have been given the chance to do what he turned down. But I wouldn't have booed if I had been there... Yep when they've got the shirt on and the game is still running you've got to support. when the final whistle goes, give the buggers hell if they haven't lived up to it. Not sure on Crouch being "class" but I haven't seen him play live. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:46:28 not sure about booing but Bentley should never have been allowed to play for England at any level ever again, just like Carragher. One of the biggest problems with our side in my eyes is the complete lack of respect the players actually afford to being given an England Cap. It's become more prevelant as the money has flowed in to the Premiership.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:48:32 Quote from: "RobertT" not sure about booing but Bentley should never have been allowed to play for England at any level ever again, just like Carragher. One of the biggest problems with our side in my eyes is the complete lack of respect the players actually afford to being given an England Cap. It's become more prevelant as the money has flowed in to the Premiership. I think on wednesday I will dress up in a flag, ballons and face paint and clap all the way to, throughout and away from the game Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Monday, September 10, 2007, 21:50:21 Fair enough he fucked up he was booed and we move on now.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 10, 2007, 22:03:55 Quote from: "Bushey Boy" Quote from: "RobertT" not sure about booing but Bentley should never have been allowed to play for England at any level ever again, just like Carragher. One of the biggest problems with our side in my eyes is the complete lack of respect the players actually afford to being given an England Cap. It's become more prevelant as the money has flowed in to the Premiership. I think on wednesday I will dress up in a flag, ballons and face paint and clap all the way to, throughout and away from the game If it makes you a more complete person you go for it. If you could hack off Bentley's feet on the way though, that would be nice. Given your suggested attire, he'll neve suspect it's coming. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: redbullzeye on Monday, September 10, 2007, 22:08:15 Quote from: "RobertT" not sure about booing but Bentley should never have been allowed to play for England at any level ever again, just like Carragher. One of the biggest problems with our side in my eyes is the complete lack of respect the players actually afford to being given an England Cap. It's become more prevelant as the money has flowed in to the Premiership. I know where you're coming from but don't you think life has changed. There was a time where playing for your team or England was an honour, now it's just a revenue stream. I don't think respect exists in football anymore, only money. Looking forward to reading Bobby Charlton's autobiog - it may sound old-fartish but those were the days we had some fecking respect Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, September 10, 2007, 22:11:02 What has he ever done wrong that's what i want to know?
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, September 10, 2007, 23:07:09 Pulled out of the U21 squad because he thought he was worthy of more
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Spud on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 05:25:10 The poor lad was knackered, give him a break.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 08:36:08 If he had played in that tournament he would have had 1 weeks rest before starting the season, as Blackburn were in some shitty european cup. It is possible that he could have played basically two full seasons with no break then be called up to the full England side for Euro 2008 and had no break for 3 years. Thats unacceptable.
Why no outrage when Rooney didn't play for the under 21s? Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: red macca on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 08:38:49 Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" The poor lad was knackered, give him a break. In that case he should of told pearce im knackered but i will come.Then if he does not perform he can say well i did tell the manager and then its pearce who has to answer the critics.If he had been called up to the full squad he would not have said he was knackered so on that basis he was talking shite.Whoever said its simalar to the carragher situation is also talking shit.Carragher rightly pointed out that other young defenders should be sat on the bench who will gain experience from it rather than putting a 29 yr old their for no reason.Mclaren even fucked that up by calling sol campbell back up Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 08:40:44 Quote from: "redbullzeye" Quote from: "RobertT" not sure about booing but Bentley should never have been allowed to play for England at any level ever again, just like Carragher. One of the biggest problems with our side in my eyes is the complete lack of respect the players actually afford to being given an England Cap. It's become more prevelant as the money has flowed in to the Premiership. I know where you're coming from but don't you think life has changed. There was a time where playing for your team or England was an honour, now it's just a revenue stream. I don't think respect exists in football anymore, only money. Looking forward to reading Bobby Charlton's autobiog - it may sound old-fartish but those were the days we had some fecking respect I agree, and that is the problem. I don't have an issue with someone deciding it's not for them, but don't expect to play again, you've shown where your loyalty lies. Beckham, for all his faults, has a desire to play for his country, as does Gerrard it seems. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: WorcesterRed on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 12:12:54 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" The poor lad was knackered, give him a break. In that case he should of told pearce im knackered but i will come.Then if he does not perform he can say well i did tell the manager and then its pearce who has to answer the critics.If he had been called up to the full squad he would not have said he was knackered so on that basis he was talking shite.Whoever said its simalar to the carragher situation is also talking shit.Carragher rightly pointed out that other young defenders should be sat on the bench who will gain experience from it rather than putting a 29 yr old their for no reason.Mclaren even fucked that up by calling sol campbell back up Can't agree with that. Fact is that Carragher couldn't be arsed and threw his toys out of the pram. Pampered primadonna. It's a little sulk from him along the lines of 'if you are not going to play me then I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram'. If you remember, McLaren actually tried to talk him out of it recently - so it is very likely that he WOULD have been played but he obviously thought 'I really can't be arsed - it's too much hassle'. I no longer watch England games nor am I interested in any football higher than the level that we currently compete at. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Some Premiership players currently earn more than whole football club's turnover FFS. It's because of attitudes like Carragher's and the inept performances from England players probably over the last 15 years that has switched me off. For a supposedly word class team, the poor performances speak volumes - they really can't be arsed. I heard on the radio a while ago that a Premiership team finishing mid table will get more money than the total of the Championship, League One and League Two teams combined. How on earth you are supposed to compete and progress with one arm tied behind your back I'll never know. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 12:19:11 I'd much prefer players were honest if they didn't want to play, let someone else have a chance instead of putting in a half-arsed effort. They're showing more the symptoms that international football is struggling in this country. Not the cause.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 13:10:52 bentley pulled out because he thought having a rest and a proper pre-season would make him a better player in the long-term
i'm just amazed a footballer actually has the brains and the courage to make such a decision and it's obviously worked because his form for blackburn this year has been superb kudos to that man Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:01:52 Quote from: "Boeta" bentley pulled out because he thought having a rest and a proper pre-season would make him a better player in the long-term i'm just amazed a footballer actually has the brains and the courage to make such a decision and it's obviously worked because his form for blackburn this year has been superb kudos to that man Which is fine if he wants to be a good player for Blackburn. In his life he feels playing for Blackburn to be the more important thing, again, it's his life. I just feel I'd rather have someone in his place who wants to see playing for England as the pinnacle. If none exist, then there in lies the problem we have as a Country. Expectations should then be that we will never win much and the Nationa as a whole can deal with the fact that it's just a nice little addition to the footballing calender. Basically, is our mentality that football's peak is England, or is it the Prem? Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:10:39 Quote from: "RobertT" Quote from: "Boeta" bentley pulled out because he thought having a rest and a proper pre-season would make him a better player in the long-term i'm just amazed a footballer actually has the brains and the courage to make such a decision and it's obviously worked because his form for blackburn this year has been superb kudos to that man Which is fine if he wants to be a good player for Blackburn. In his life he feels playing for Blackburn to be the more important thing, again, it's his life. I just feel I'd rather have someone in his place who wants to see playing for England as the pinnacle. If none exist, then there in lies the problem we have as a Country. Expectations should then be that we will never win much and the Nationa as a whole can deal with the fact that it's just a nice little addition to the footballing calender. Basically, is our mentality that football's peak is England, or is it the Prem? Whilst Club football has always been more important to international to most fans, I think the money involved now has made it more important for the players aswell. So I'd say that Yes. The Prem probably is more important than England. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:15:29 Quote from: "RobertT" Quote from: "Boeta" bentley pulled out because he thought having a rest and a proper pre-season would make him a better player in the long-term i'm just amazed a footballer actually has the brains and the courage to make such a decision and it's obviously worked because his form for blackburn this year has been superb kudos to that man Which is fine if he wants to be a good player for Blackburn. In his life he feels playing for Blackburn to be the more important thing, again, it's his life. I just feel I'd rather have someone in his place who wants to see playing for England as the pinnacle. If none exist, then there in lies the problem we have as a Country. Expectations should then be that we will never win much and the Nationa as a whole can deal with the fact that it's just a nice little addition to the footballing calender. Basically, is our mentality that football's peak is England, or is it the Prem? like i said above, there is a major tourny at the end of the season. If he had played for the u21's it would be 3 seasons with no rest. I think he made a good decision. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:17:19 It would mean the world to me to pull on the shirt of my country and walk out in front of my own people with the eagle on my chest. It would make me hugely proud, and for somebody to turn their back on that is quite frankly idiotic
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: WorcesterRed on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:19:40 Quote from: "jayohaitchenn" Quote from: "RobertT" Quote from: "Boeta" bentley pulled out because he thought having a rest and a proper pre-season would make him a better player in the long-term i'm just amazed a footballer actually has the brains and the courage to make such a decision and it's obviously worked because his form for blackburn this year has been superb kudos to that man Which is fine if he wants to be a good player for Blackburn. In his life he feels playing for Blackburn to be the more important thing, again, it's his life. I just feel I'd rather have someone in his place who wants to see playing for England as the pinnacle. If none exist, then there in lies the problem we have as a Country. Expectations should then be that we will never win much and the Nationa as a whole can deal with the fact that it's just a nice little addition to the footballing calender. Basically, is our mentality that football's peak is England, or is it the Prem? like i said above, there is a major tourny at the end of the season. If he had played for the u21's it would be 3 seasons with no rest. I think he made a good decision. Come on, let's not have that one..... Bless his little heart - not had a rest for three seasons? Maybe the tens of thousands of pounds a week he gets in salary is some compensation no? Fuck me - train three hours a day - play once maybe twice a week - these fuckers are overpaid primadonna's and the sooner people start realising it the better. The season finishes in May - starts again in August - if he can't get enough rest in that time there's no hope for us all. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:21:49 no point in debating with an idiot.
Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: WorcesterRed on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:24:19 Quote from: "jayohaitchenn" no point in debating with an idiot. Assume that was directed at me? Well if that's the level of your debate, I'll debate with someone else thanks. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Spud on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 15:44:03 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" The poor lad was knackered, give him a break. In that case he should of told pearce im knackered but i will come.Then if he does not perform he can say well i did tell the manager and then its pearce who has to answer the critics.If he had been called up to the full squad he would not have said he was knackered so on that basis he was talking shite.Whoever said its simalar to the carragher situation is also talking shit.Carragher rightly pointed out that other young defenders should be sat on the bench who will gain experience from it rather than putting a 29 yr old their for no reason.Mclaren even fucked that up by calling sol campbell back up I was actually being sarcastic, the fact is he didn't even have a big European run like others who had played for Man Utd,Liverpool,Chelsea and even Spurs so the 'i'm knackered excuse' is a joke. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 16:05:16 Quote from: "Dachauer" It would mean the world to me to pull on the shirt of my country and walk out in front of my own people with the eagle on my chest. It would make me hugely proud, and for somebody to turn their back on that is quite frankly idiotic Yeah but whilst it's a dream for you, for him it's a reality. And it's not his fault that some idiots who couldn't realised their dreams are a bit bitter. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: land_of_bo on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 16:16:19 Let's face it, the under 21 tournament is shit.
Anyone half decent plays for the full national team and skips the 21's anyway, how many regular U21 players made the grade at full international level? Players like Rooney, Owen, Beckham etc all skipped the U21's and went straight into the full squad. He made a good decision as someone else pointed out. He would have ended up with 1 week off before pre-season, be knackered now and playing shit (look what happened to Henry a season or so ago) and then he would not be able to force his way into the Euro 08 squad (assuming we qualify). Booing him was stupid. How many of those fans booing him even give a shit about the U21's? Probably not many, I know I don't. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 17:21:24 Quote from: "flammableBen" Quote from: "Dachauer" It would mean the world to me to pull on the shirt of my country and walk out in front of my own people with the eagle on my chest. It would make me hugely proud, and for somebody to turn their back on that is quite frankly idiotic Yeah but whilst it's a dream for you, for him it's a reality. And it's not his fault that some idiots who couldn't realised their dreams are a bit bitter. I am not bitter, I couldn't care less about him playing/not playing for england as I am not a england fan. If it happened to in my national team I would be angry and if I was the coach I wouldn't pick him again. He is shite anyway Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: lebowski on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 18:50:01 let's not forget that rhys evans once got an u21 call up.
i don't know about you lot but that demonstrates to me just how worthless that level of football is. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 18:53:13 Quote from: "lebowski" i don't know about you lot but that demonstrates to me just how worthless that level of football is. Correctamundo !!!!!! He has made quite a career for himself off the back of that hasn't he ? :mrgreen: Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: red macca on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 18:53:47 Quote from: "lebowski" let's not forget that rhys evans once got an u21 call up. Bollocksi don't know about you lot but that demonstrates to me just how worthless that level of football is. Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 18:56:56 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "lebowski" let's not forget that rhys evans once got an u21 call up. Bollocksi don't know about you lot but that demonstrates to me just how worthless that level of football is. Bollocks Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: timmyg on Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 19:08:25 I think he was only brought on on Saturday to get the booing out of the way. He knows that he's better off in the long run (performance-wise this season getting him a chance of getting into the full squad for the summer) having missed the U-21 rubbish and getting a rest. Now he's playing well and will be seriously in contention, especially as McClaren is playing with actual wide-men now.
If the England selectors took the U-21 seriously then so would the players. THey would go and play in the U-21 World Cup and have a go at winning it if they thought they could build their reputations etc, but no-one cares about it. If the best U-21 players were picked in the teams then players would take it much more seriously, but as it is, players aren't going to be picked for the full squad on the back of what they do for the young-uns and as such it should work the other way too, you won't get discounted from the full squad for what you don't do with the U-21s. Oh, and BOLLOCKS Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 06:34:58 Quote from: "lebowski" let's not forget that rhys evans once got an u21 call up. I know, he gave me a pair of his gloves from his time as u21 goalkeeper. I believe they have butter all over them Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: janaage on Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 11:52:48 To be honest the good thing about england fans booing their own players and labelling them rubbish, and the manager as a retard, does save the Scots from having to do that kinda thing.
It leaves us to concentrate on not conceding 5 without reply tonight. (which I am worried about). Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 13:36:23 Quote from: "janaage" To be honest the good thing about england fans booing their own players and labelling them rubbish, and the manager as a retard, does save the Scots from having to do that kinda thing. Don't worry, it's only France :wink: It leaves us to concentrate on not conceding 5 without reply tonight. (which I am worried about). If you're lucky the pitch will have been churned up a bit by the rugby! Title: The Booing of Bentley Post by: Spencer_White on Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 18:31:34 Much less was made of the Crouch booing, which was an utter disgrace. I was at that game, it was totally disgusting. Also thought the 'Mclaren is a wanker' chants at Andorra were equally as idiotic.
I booed Bentley on saturday though. Should have pricked his ego a bit at least. |