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Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: STFC_Gazzza on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 07:40:57 Adver today
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/display.var.1646275.0..php Quote PORTUGUESE football agents the Castro brothers have started preliminary talks with Swindon Town as the takeover at the County Ground took another new twist yesterday. The agency, which deals predominantly in young Brazilian talent, told the Swindon Advertiser "first talks" were about to held with the new owners - and admitted they could have some sort of involvement by the end of the season. Their exact potential involvement remains a mystery, as has much of the recent takeover, but with plenty of foreign talent on their books it would seem they are trying to crack the English market, after previous success in Brazil, Portugal and Russia. advertisement The Castro brothers' major client is Brazilian international and CSKA Moscow striker Vagner Silva Nascimento, better known as Vagner Love. Love has scored three times for Brazil in 13 appearances and scored CSKA's winner in their UEFA Cup final victory over Sporting Lisbon in 2005. The Castro brothers are twins and former world-class athletes and their company also deals in sporting autographs, organising concerts and synthetic surfaces. Dionisio Castro, president of the agency, said yesterday: "I can say there is some involvement, maybe with Swindon." Former West Brom and Portuguese midfielder Jordao is also an agency partner and he too admitted initial contact with the club had been made. He told the Advertiser: "First talks are just starting. We can not say a lot more than that. "You could say watch this space and if things go well maybe we will be involved with Swindon by the end of the season.'' He added: "We have no footballers at Swindon Town at the moment." An air of mystery has surrounded the Swindon Town takeover after it was revealed that American and former Cork City owner Jim Little is to be the club's new chairman. Any other details about the takeover have remained conspicuous by their absence with the identity and motives of Best Holdings SGPS S.A, the new owners, still undeclared. The latest revelations will increase pressure on Town to reveal more about the deal and the future plans for the club. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 07:51:12 Take this with a pinch of salt if you like but a friend of mine does some coaching with the youngsters at Swindon and he said that Sturrock has already had 6 Portugese players forced on him which have been tied down on permanent contracts. Apparently Sturrock is very unhappy with the set up and seriously considering his future.
I didn't take him too seriously until I read todays articles about the Castro's involvement and now I am very worried that this very encourgaing start to the season could go pear shaped with Sturrock suddenly leaving the club :( Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: red macca on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 08:56:11 Didn't we know this six weeks ago :?
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:00:44 Quote from: "red macca" Didn't we know this six weeks ago :? This is what I thought. The "insider" who posted on here prior to the takeover confirmation indicated that it was the Castro brothers. We're going to lose a very good manager from this, whether it's soon or in the summer when Sturrock's 18 commitment clause expires... they'll appoint Brevett or a "Ramon Diaz" and the rest ........? Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: red macca on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:06:36 I dont think sturrock will go personally
Ignore that above.Get ready to protest Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:08:17 Quote from: "red macca" I dont think sturrock will go personally Hopefully you're right. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:10:04 Quote from: "red macca" I dont think sturrock will go personally I am not one to post these usual bull shit sources. But my mate is pretty convinced that Sturrock will walk sooner rather than later, as I said I wasn't convinced but after todays article 'the first officially confirming the Castro's (Portugese agents) will be involved' its really worrying after such an encourgaing start to the season that we could lose the best manager we have had in a long time. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:10:50 previously i was indifferent ot sturrock, however after this seasons displays i can see that things on the field are moving in the right direction. We are playing direct attacking football the like of which i havent seen for years. the players are fully committed and that has to be a godsend after the crap we have put up with over the last few seasons.
if sturrock walks i will be livid. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:29:56 I think you speak for most of us there Mex.
This article is slightly different to what was said before. Previously I thought the Castros were being touted as being part of the consortium buying out the club. This seems to suggest they have not committed themselves 100%. Of course the rumour that we have 6 Potugeezas (sic) on trial/signed makes you think that the Castros may be playing down their involvement or that we have more agents at the club than you can shake a stick at.... Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:56:23 this business is beginning to smell like a portuguese whore's ringpiece!
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:58:52 Quote from: "ron dodgers" this business is beginning to smell like a portuguese whore's ringpiece! You'd have first hand knowledge of this Ron? I'm guessing sardines. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 10:07:47 Raises far more questions than it answers - the Castros have been spotted on the fringes of this since the summer, and seems now they're breaking cover, but as what? They're in talks but about what? Buying in? Taking over? Player sales/loans?
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 10:11:51 Part of me is furious at the way our club is being tossed around and abused by people who do not have the same emotional attachment as we do. It's like watching your sister being eyed up by the local spivs.
The rest of me is simply losing interest. Luton was my first game this year and it was fanstastic, but I'm really not sure when I'll be back. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 10:18:47 Quote from: "pauld" Raises far more questions than it answers - the Castros have been spotted on the fringes of this since the summer, and seems now they're breaking cover, but as what? They're in talks but about what? Buying in? Taking over? Player sales/loans? Its at times like this that Trust should come into its own....its the only realistic vehicle for us ordinary fans to speak with a collective voice. What can be done? Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: figgis on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 10:26:49 its difficult to make a conection with jim little and the castros. this makes no sense. it looks like sturrock is getting cut out of the loop by the so say agents who look like they have some say in the players comming in. it would be interesting to see littles attitude to sturrock if we lost a few games as he seems quite agressive in his attitude towards success.
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 10:39:35 Quote from: "figgis" its difficult to make a conection with jim little and the castros. this makes no sense. it looks like sturrock is getting cut out of the loop by the so say agents who look like they have some say in the players comming in. it would be interesting to see littles attitude to sturrock if we lost a few games as he seems quite agressive in his attitude towards success. Little is most likely just fronting up in the relative short term, to facilitate the deal for the Castros.....he'll be gone ASAP. Holt said its business as usual....for once he was right, CVA still not paid, and the shit hitting the fan . Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:10:45 How can a registered FIFA agent have any involvement with a football club?
As a registered agent they are forbidden from being a director or having any other involvement in the game. QPR were caught with Italian agent Antonio Caliendo lurking behind the Monaco based holding companies. Caliendo eventually resigned as an agent and became chairman at the club but a lot of the QPR fans have subsequently questioned the salaries and amount of fees paid to agents in the past 12 months. Agents that Paladini (another ex-agent) brazenly admits he had business connections and ties with. Closer to home I suspect that Jim Little and/or Brevett are the slightly less glamorous equivalent of QPR’s Dunga who will act as unofficial proxies for the Castrators while they continue to ply their trade as agents. Someone give the FA a tinkle and find out what the official gen is on agents having a shareholding (albeit indirectly) in a football club. From the description Little gave last week of the fluid holding company you would have to speculate that the fluid shareholders are agents sending players to the club so they can then legitimately claim a slice of any future transfer fee generated as well as the agents fee on top. Potentially every agents dream. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:12:07 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "pauld" Raises far more questions than it answers - the Castros have been spotted on the fringes of this since the summer, and seems now they're breaking cover, but as what? They're in talks but about what? Buying in? Taking over? Player sales/loans? Its at times like this that Trust should come into its own....its the only realistic vehicle for us ordinary fans to speak with a collective voice. What can be done? For the meantime, it would seem simply continue to keep the pressure up asking the questions, while doing everything we can to find out the answers via our own means if the powers that be refuse to answer. As per the vote at the members' meeting we have written to Jim Little highlighting members and fans' concerns over the ongoing secrecy and the apparent continued involvement of existing board members. The letter also reminds him that he agreed to a further meeting with us and asks for an early date for that meeting Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:16:23 Quote from: "Dazzza" How can a registered FIFA agent have any involvement with a football club? Via a whole variety of backdoors and loop-holes is the usual answer. However, it would appear the Castro brothers are not FIFA-registered, either in Portugal or the UK. At least not according to the FIFA list of registered agents anyway: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=por.html http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=eng.html Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:21:38 So the Castro's other interests are plastic pitches and concerts.....I think you can see where I'm going..
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:23:46 Does make you worried especially with the whole Tevez/Mascherano deals. Then there is Sturrock leaving, which as others have said, I was indifferent about until this season's performances.
I won't be protesting though, seems too futile to me. I will be voting with[out] my wallet should the shit hit the fan. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:36:17 Quote from: "Si Pie" ...should the shit hit the fan. It's covered in the stuff!! Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: figgis on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:52:27 actualy its made of it :D
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:53:26 Are there some keys, a phone and a wallet next to that fan too? I heard a rumour about how the fan got covered, well partly anyway.
Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:56:30 Quote from: "pauld" Quote from: "Dazzza" How can a registered FIFA agent have any involvement with a football club? Via a whole variety of backdoors and loop-holes is the usual answer. However, it would appear the Castro brothers are not FIFA-registered, either in Portugal or the UK. At least not according to the FIFA list of registered agents anyway: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=por.html http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=eng.html The FA Regulations are pretty clear: Quote 14.25 Subject to the transitional provisions of Article 19, a Licensed Agent/Exempt Individual shall not have an interest in a Club (unless the Club is below the level of the Football Conference). Such interest shall be defined in terms of: (a) beneficial ownership; (b) a shareholding; (c) ability to exercise financial, commercial, administrative, managerial or any other influence over the affairs of the Club. (From the FA Handbook 2006-07, available for download in PDF format from: http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/) Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 12:56:38 Quote from: "pauld" Quote from: "Dazzza" How can a registered FIFA agent have any involvement with a football club? Via a whole variety of backdoors and loop-holes is the usual answer. However, it would appear the Castro brothers are not FIFA-registered, either in Portugal or the UK. At least not according to the FIFA list of registered agents anyway: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=por.html http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=eng.html That's interesting stuff as I've seen the Castro Brothers agency listed complete with site address although the page was in Portuguese. I’ll have a dig tonight and see if I can uncover it again. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Lumps on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 14:14:15 Quote from: "stfctownenda" Take this with a pinch of salt if you like but a friend of mine does some coaching with the youngsters at Swindon and he said that Sturrock has already had 6 Portugese players forced on him which have been tied down on permanent contracts. Apparently Sturrock is very unhappy with the set up and seriously considering his future. I didn't take him too seriously until I read todays articles about the Castro's involvement and now I am very worried that this very encourgaing start to the season could go pear shaped with Sturrock suddenly leaving the club :( Errrr......Where the fuck are they then? I think if we had signed half a dozen Portugese players someone in the local or national media might have noticed? I think we should all go back to the Adver report and notice the equivocal nature of the statement form the Castro's "er yeah we might have spoken to someone possibly about Swindon" Sounds more like they're not part of the takeover deal but are just sniffing around for any opportunity in the future. Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: DV on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 14:15:32 Quote from: "red macca" Didn't we know this six weeks ago :? Ummm even longer wasnt it?! I got told this as soon as the new investors showed up Hardly a surprise Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 17:30:27 Quote from: "Dazzza" Quote from: "pauld" Quote from: "Dazzza" How can a registered FIFA agent have any involvement with a football club? Via a whole variety of backdoors and loop-holes is the usual answer. However, it would appear the Castro brothers are not FIFA-registered, either in Portugal or the UK. At least not according to the FIFA list of registered agents anyway: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=por.html http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/playersagents/association=eng.html That's interesting stuff as I've seen the Castro Brothers agency listed complete with site address although the page was in Portuguese. I’ll have a dig tonight and see if I can uncover it again. Got it. It doesn't look like either of the Castro brothers are registered agents but they are connected through a company called Sportis who are listed with FIFA. http://www.sportis.pt/ SANTOS FERREIRA Ulisses Sportis - Castro Brothers Portugal (registered in Portugal) Tel.: 00351 217 521 300 Fax: 00351 217 521 301 Email: [email protected] Title: The Plot Thickens... Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 17:37:35 Quote from: "Dazzza" It doesn't look like either of the Castro brothers are registered agents but they are connected That's not as in the Sopranos sense of the word "connected" I hope :shock: |