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Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: DMR on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 17:36:23
i think we've had a terrific start but these 2 are the issue fpr me, just wondered what everyone else thinks?

obviously we need at least one new striker. i think sturrock is bound to drop out, especially when corr is fit- which is good because sturrock's shit.

the peacock one is a difficult one- i know alot of people on here like him but frankly our midfield looks sound, if easton carries on like that he'll be wicked, and pook's started very strongly indeed. i don't rate peacock as a striker very much, what i'm asking you all is this: if we sign a decent centre forward and corr is fit, does peacock get in your starting eleven?


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Red81 on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 17:40:27
I've thought about this. Peacock does look a little lost partnering Sturrock and I really think Easton is going to do wonders this season. Pook has impressed me so far too. It's a tough one to answer this early on.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: lebowski on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 17:44:49
peacock will start in midfield ahead of pook every day of the week simply because he is more of a threat bombing forward, and sturrock teams are known for having that midfielder getting with and beyond the strikers.

we aren't playing like that just yet because a lack of striker has forced sturrock's hand (hence the "we're currently playing last year's system" soundbite), but we will do.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Give us an S on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 17:56:09
I think Peacock should start in the middle ahead of Pook, but he isnt playing badly so would be hard to drop him.

Out of interest if Mohammed wasnt a panic buy then why is he not playing?


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:01:00
I think Mohammed is more of a "might turn out good" signing. A bit like previous efforts such as Darren Dykes(?), Jon Stevenson, Berty Braily (sp?) etc.. Of course none of them did turn out to be good, but there's a possibility that when he gets a game, probably in the prestigious Auto LDV Paint Trophey, or through injuries,  he'll be awesome. Like the Striker equivalent of Phil Smith.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: DMR on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:03:35
Although they all turned out to be gash, I see what you mean


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:06:29
Quote from: "lebowski"
peacock will start in midfield ahead of pook every day of the week simply because he is more of a threat bombing forward, and sturrock teams are known for having that midfielder getting with and beyond the strikers.

we aren't playing like that just yet because a lack of striker has forced sturrock's hand (hence the "we're currently playing last year's system" soundbite), but we will do.

Peacock looks twice the player he was last season, not in ability but size.
There is no way he will start in midfield ahead of Pook, what has the lad done wrong this season, I thought he was first class on Saturday.
Sturrock is just not good enough, not even good enough for the bench in my opinion.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:09:43
no he doesn't warrant a start in cm imo.
the two in there yesterday deserve to keep their places.but peacock will get his chance in there eventually,then its up to him to keep his place


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:10:20
From what I've seen from Sturrock, which admittedly isn't that much. He seems like a striker who'd be ace partnering a natural goalscorer. Like Parkin when he wasn't in a wheelchair and playing for us. He seems to run the channels pretty well, and if there was someone good at getting in position for him to knock a ball into then he'd set them up a bag full.

To be honest that's a load of guess work blabble. It's called fB's guide to blagging football speak.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:14:43
In the couple of games I've seen Sturrock play, imo he is only playing for Swindon because his dad is picking the team. My Grandmother has more pace than him. He is bloody useless.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:15:22
blair does lack composure and physical threat but he did well leading up to the first goal and is a worthy squad member and sub.
throw him on with 20mins or so to go as he runs and runs.i think running at a tired defence would be the most effective way to use him


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Give us an S on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:17:56
Quote from: "arriba"
blair does lack composure and physical threat but he did well leading up to the first goal and is a worthy squad member and sub.
throw him on with 20mins or so to go as he runs and runs.i think running at a tired defence would be the most effective way to use him


He had a good record coming on as a sub last year. Thats his best position for sure.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:19:02
Quote from: "Give us an S"
Quote from: "arriba"
blair does lack composure and physical threat but he did well leading up to the first goal and is a worthy squad member and sub.
throw him on with 20mins or so to go as he runs and runs.i think running at a tired defence would be the most effective way to use him


He had a good record coming on as a sub last year. Thats his best position for sure.

And that sums it up to a tee. :|


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:20:52
Peacock's touch and control hasn't been good so far from what I've seen.

I don't think he should be first team if he's playing CM at the moment. Hopefully he'll come good though.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:22:19
peacock was virtually a cm most of the game yesterday anyway


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: herthab on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:29:26
Quote from: "dell boy"
In the couple of games I've seen Sturrock play, imo he is only playing for Swindon because his dad is picking the team. My Grandmother has more pace than him. He is bloody useless.



Crap.

He's playing because we haven't got anyone any better.

Sturrock has already stated that that Mohammed is a development player and Arrieta just runs around a lot but doesn't seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Saying that Blair gets a game just because his dad's the boss is worse than the usual garbage you spout.

Wait until Luggy gets the players he wants.

His son will be relegated to the bench, which is probably what Sturrock was planning on from the start.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:36:41
Quote from: "herthab"
Quote from: "dell boy"
In the couple of games I've seen Sturrock play, imo he is only playing for Swindon because his dad is picking the team. My Grandmother has more pace than him. He is bloody useless.



Crap.

He's playing because we haven't got anyone any better.

Sturrock has already stated that that Mohammed is a development player and Arrieta just runs around a lot but doesn't seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Saying that Blair gets a game just because his dad's the boss is worse than the usual garbage you spout.

Wait until Luggy gets the players he wants.

His son will be relegated to the bench, which is probably what Sturrock was planning on from the start.

Sturrock is not good enough, and thats my opinion.
Look at his record of starts when he has played for other clubs well they are not starts are they, normally sub appearances, maybe you are the oracle of knowledge when it comes to football, maybe you're not, but whatever you are I wouldn't diss your opinion.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: herthab on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:42:35
Quote from: "dell boy"
Quote from: "herthab"
Quote from: "dell boy"
In the couple of games I've seen Sturrock play, imo he is only playing for Swindon because his dad is picking the team. My Grandmother has more pace than him. He is bloody useless.



Crap.

He's playing because we haven't got anyone any better.

Sturrock has already stated that that Mohammed is a development player and Arrieta just runs around a lot but doesn't seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Saying that Blair gets a game just because his dad's the boss is worse than the usual garbage you spout.

Wait until Luggy gets the players he wants.

His son will be relegated to the bench, which is probably what Sturrock was planning on from the start.

Sturrock is not good enough, and thats my opinion.
Look at his record of starts when he has played for other clubs well they are not starts are they, normally sub appearances, maybe you are the oracle of knowledge when it comes to football, maybe you're not, but whatever you are I wouldn't diss your opinion.


If your opinion is that he's not good enough, fine.

But that's not what you said. You said he was only playing because his dad is picking the team.

And that part is bollocks.

And you are talking crap.

And that's my opinion.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:45:48
Arrieta was our top scorer in pre-season


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:46:18
Quote from: "herthab"
Quote from: "dell boy"
Quote from: "herthab"
Quote from: "dell boy"
In the couple of games I've seen Sturrock play, imo he is only playing for Swindon because his dad is picking the team. My Grandmother has more pace than him. He is bloody useless.



Crap.

He's playing because we haven't got anyone any better.

Sturrock has already stated that that Mohammed is a development player and Arrieta just runs around a lot but doesn't seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Saying that Blair gets a game just because his dad's the boss is worse than the usual garbage you spout.

Wait until Luggy gets the players he wants.

His son will be relegated to the bench, which is probably what Sturrock was planning on from the start.

Sturrock is not good enough, and thats my opinion.
Look at his record of starts when he has played for other clubs well they are not starts are they, normally sub appearances, maybe you are the oracle of knowledge when it comes to football, maybe you're not, but whatever you are I wouldn't diss your opinion.


If your opinion is that he's not good enough, fine.

But that's not what you said. You said he was only playing because his dad is picking the team.

And that part is bollocks.

And you are talking crap.

And that's my opinion.

Would he get a game for any other 1st Division side as a forward? :)


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: herthab on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:48:12
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Arrieta was our top scorer in pre-season


Pity we're not playing Supermarine and Cirencester and FGR's in league 1, isn't it?

Can you honestly say Arrietas looked any better than Blair so far this season?

Neither are good enough.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: herthab on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:49:45
Dell, he wouldn't get in our starting line up if we had anyone better!

But at the moment we haven't.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 18:50:26
I'm just saying that Blair might not be better than Arrieta.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:01:11
I'd like to play Blair and Arrieta. At Backgammon. I'd thrash them.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: DV on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:07:43
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Arrieta was our top scorer in pre-season


....and last year our top scorer in pre-season was Royce Brownlie.

Yes, Peacock gets into the starting 11.

When Corr is fit we will still need another striker, so the first choice strike force would be Corr and Peacock, as Arrieta and Mohamed arent as good as Peacock from what I've seen.

Say we sign a good striker, and he becomes first choice with Corr then Peacock still gets into the starting line up because at the end of the day he is a better football player than Pook.

At the moment, Pook doesnt deserve to be dropped and he has done quiet well so far, but Peacocks a better player.

Plus, Peacock scores goals.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:09:36
So you'd play Peackock up top on his own then VD?


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: lebowski on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:10:23
Quote from: "DV"
Say we sign a good striker, and he becomes first choice with Corr then Peacock still gets into the starting line up because at the end of the day he is a better football player than Pook.

At the moment, Pook doesnt deserve to be dropped and he has done quiet well so far, but Peacocks a better player.

Plus, Peacock scores goals.

yes.

i agree with all of that.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:18:03
on current form and based on the assumption corr resumes the sort of form he showed whilst on loan, peacock wouldn't get into central midfield ahead of pook or easton and nor would he get in the team ahead of corr and a.n. other up front - again assuming we sign an out and out striker.

he's looked like a midfielder playing as a makeshift striker in the two games i've seen.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Panda Paws on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:19:44
Quote from: "sonic youth"


he's looked like a midfielder playing as a makeshift striker in the two games i've seen.


Surely thats exactly what he is??


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:22:16
yes, that was precisely what i was suggesting.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:26:50
Anyone who says Blair is only getting in the side because his old man is the Gaffer is talking shit.

Sturrock Snr thinks Sturrock Jnr is his best option at the moment. The fact that he's his son does not come into it. In the next week or so we will sign a couple of strikers and Blair will get dropped and all those jerk offs will have to shut the fuck up.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:31:06
It would be nice to see Arieta play a full 90 minutes against proper opposition. I would hope he gets a chance in the JPT.  I can't work out whether he is committed to the cause  or a headless chicken the way he gets stuck in. A sending off waiting to happen either way.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: DV on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:31:42
Quote from: "sonic youth"

he's looked like a midfielder playing as a makeshift striker in the two games i've seen.


he also looked liked a guy who played a huge part in both goals Saturday....


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:41:41
With the repositioning of Peacock I think we should try and play this formation...

Code:

                                    Smith
Smith             Aljo                          Ifil            Vincent


Roberts         Easton              Pook           Adams           Boob

                                    Cock

                  Sturrock          Arrieta     Mooooohamed



Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:42:00
Quote from: "OOH!  SHAUN TAYLOR"
Anyone who says Blair is only getting in the side because his old man is the Gaffer is talking shit.

Sturrock Snr thinks Sturrock Jnr is his best option at the moment. The fact that he's his son does not come into it. In the next week or so we will sign a couple of strikers and Blair will get dropped and all those jerk offs will have to shut the fuck up.

Thats me always talking shit.
How many other sides in Division Two asked him to sign last season?
None I think will be the answer.

Who was he attached to before he came to Swindon.
No-one I think will be the answer.

My opinion, is obviously shit but there you go, you know me, talk out of my arse.
Why give the guy a contract, well I'm sure you know the answer.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: strooood on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:43:18
i fucking love peacock he's got that talismanic quality and could be the difference between a solid yet faceless engine room, or one with a bit of spark and that could be capable of changing a game.

against charlton, even though they're of much higher standard than us, the centre of midfield looked utterly devoid of attacking ideas... i recon peacock alongside either easton or adams would look instantly more creative.

roberts.................peacock............easton................holmes/zaaboub

........................corr............easter/someone good....................

that looks like a quality front 6 to me, and considering the strength in depth we have at the back- that team appears rather sexy.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: strooood on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:44:49
arrieta will be gone by xmas aswell by the way.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:44:57
Quote from: "DV"
Quote from: "sonic youth"

he's looked like a midfielder playing as a makeshift striker in the two games i've seen.


he also looked liked a guy who played a huge part in both goals Saturday....


i didn't say he was shit


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:45:21
dell,i think we all know he's filling a gap at the moment.
his first touch leading to the goal was sublime.his work rate is fantastic too.
if he is in the team purely down to his dad, then why was he coming on from the bench last term?
he had a decent game yesterday


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:53:29
Quote from: "arriba"
dell,i think we all know he's filling a gap at the moment.
his first touch leading to the goal was sublime.his work rate is fantastic too.
if he is in the team purely down to his dad, then why was he coming on from the bench last term?
he had a decent game yesterday

Probably gone a bit over the top with the dad bit, but I really don't rate the guy, he is paceless and very poor in the air. The way Sturrock Snr wants his teams to play the ball forward to strikers you definitely need pace and Sturrock Jnr does not have that quality, so the only way is to play it to his feet, I can't remember on one occasion on Saturday when he closed down a defender successfully, not having a go at his lack of commitment, just his lack of talent.
I would prefer to play an up and coming youth player before him, or an untried new signing which Sturrock for some reason will not do.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:57:15
dell, we won against a decent side imo.blair played his part in it.
agree he aint great in the air, but the lad can run


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 19:59:49
Also he's better than Martin Williams. And he scored 2 against Luton.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 20:00:11
Quote from: "flammableBen"
With the repositioning of Peacock I think we should try and play this formation...

Code:

                                    Smith
Smith             Aljo                          Ifil            Vincent


Roberts         Easton              Pook           Adams           Boob

                                    Cock

                  Sturrock          Arrieta     Mooooohamed



   Worth a try..... a 14 player side, bu tI'm not convinced we'd get away with it.....personally I'd have Minge in for Cock.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 20:22:00
I thought arrieta did more in the 15/20 minutes he was on yesterday than blair did for the whole ime he was on. He just looked more dangerouse, and you culd just sense that something might happen when he got on the ball. And he might not of let the ball roll under his foot when hes 3 yards out from an open goal.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, August 19, 2007, 20:25:28
Blair will drop to the bench eventually and Peacock will go back to midfield - I'm just happy we're gathering points without a strong attack.

Imagine the potential once we get a prolific striker - I'm hoping you're all imagining positive things!!!!


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Bennett on Monday, August 20, 2007, 06:31:27
i think cock has done bloody well so far. he's winning headers and laying the ball off...what's there to moan about??

he's also scored
he also works hard


blair played a big part in our first goal by taking the ball down and laying it inside.

i think once blair learns to gamble more from flick ons etc he'll come good. having said that i do believe we'll try to sign a shit hot striker to play alongside corr.

either way we'll then have a decent CM OR a striker who is currently playing to his strengths in peacock. and a striker with a good work rate who runs the channels and provides a link up (blair).

along with a fucking fast striker in moohamid...

along with a league one paul dickov type player in arrieta...


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: donkey on Monday, August 20, 2007, 22:18:34
Quote from: "flammableBen"
Also he's better than Martin Williams. And he scored 2 against Luton.


Ah yes, a good day out...one was a cracking finish into the bottom corner, can't remember the other one.

The one thing I will always remember about Williams was that he had no idea the offside rule even existed...must've been a piece of piss to be a linesman...just flag...Williams is offside...

Cheers

Donkey


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Toni on Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 16:54:52
I like Peacock but I think he is better, and more of a threat, when he's in midfield. He isn't, and never really will be, the 20 goal a season striker that we need or are craving.

I would also pick Peacock over Pook any day.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Jamie05 on Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 21:23:06
The other positive thing that Peacock brings is the vocal side. Thats what we get from Corr as well. Peacock gets through so much work. I think Pook and Easton are playing well, but Peacock gets into midfield ahead of them any day. His midfield play fits Sturrocks scheme really well.

Like to see Arrieta start. I'm sure Sturrock likes his committed approach.The guys desperate to do well, and he looks like an intelligent player.

Things are really looking positive at the moment, and to me its all down to Sturrock and his coaching team getting the best out of the players.


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: fatbury on Friday, August 24, 2007, 09:23:58
Interesting that Sturrock is backing his son in the paper today ... saying its hard for him cos he hasnt scored and cos his the son of the manager ..

Is he gearing us up for the fact that we arent going to sign another striker??


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Colin Todd on Friday, August 24, 2007, 09:28:10
Quote from: "fatbury"
Interesting that Sturrock is backing his son in the paper today ... saying its hard for him cos he hasnt scored and cos his the son of the manager ..

Is he gearing us up for the fact that we arent going to sign another striker??


No, just that blair is starting tomorrow


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: STFC Bart on Friday, August 24, 2007, 09:42:11
Blair has been usles so far this season, wouldnt get in most league 2 line ups


Title: lee peacock & blair sturrock
Post by: Arriba on Friday, August 24, 2007, 09:45:40
Quote from: "STFC Bart"
Blair has been usles so far this season, wouldnt get in most league 2 line ups


yeah, he had fuck all to do with the first goal last week