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Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 08:35:21
Where do we start? Howard, Igoe, Fallon, Nicholas, Evans and Ifill are prime candidates although Sean O hasnt moved on from last season and Heywood has been dodgy at times too.

If I had to pick one it would be Ifill. We paid big money by our standards for him and for the majority of the season he's not delivered.

We all knew that he wasnt the most intelligent defender in the world, but some of his mishaps this season have taken the biscuit.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 08:45:18
I would argue that SO'H shouldn't be included in that list......remember he only played 5 league games last season as a centre half......King in typical fashion semingly not knowing that was his best position played him at right back.

 This season up until recently he has been our most consistent performer, not bad considering its his first full season and he's still youngish (22)....also only picked up 3 yellow cards.

 I would say therefore he has moved on and would expect further improvement, although it may well be at another club.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Asher on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 09:06:50
Ifil definately.  Duke is the new pele im telling you


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 09:08:34
Unsure. Possibly Fallon but then you could argue he's no good anyway. Perhaps Ifil based on the money we paid for him, then again Nicho has disappeared off the face of the earth this year.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Johno on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 09:13:37
Fallon was expected to deliever but didn't. Igoe hasn't been himself all season, nor has Howard. Theres too many really!


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 11:49:23
Igoe certainly hasn't been that bad but I really expected a lot more from him.  Doesn't seem to be getting nearly as many assists or goals as I thought he would do.

Again I think King messing about with formations certainly hasn't helped anyone and may well have effected  a few players form quite dramaticly.  The senior players have said publicly on numerous occassions that they prefer 4-4-2 and also commented that some of the formations have led to confusion about roles and what's expected of them.

I really hope King manages to eventually grasp he appears to lack the skills and nouse to change formations regularly then get players to operate in their new role.  We have a lack of personel anyway so it's not an easy task by anyones standards but every time we deviate from 4-4-2 it ends in poor results, bad runs of form (often horrific) and problems.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 11:54:34
Agreed Dazzza.

Top of my wishlist for next season is for King to decide which formation he intends to play 95% of the time, sign players that fit into that formation and bloody stick with it.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:02:16
Sort out a preferred formation and play players in positions they are used to and are confident in.  No one can tell me Duke is (still) 100% up for this full back role.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:16:20
biggest under achiever? howard or fallon if you ask me. or possibly rhys evans


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Marie on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:16:21
What about heywood? Thought hes been crap all season. Think about 2 seasons ago pickin up EVERY award.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:17:40
heywood has been quality in  the last month or so though marie


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Marie on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:20:40
Maybe im biased because i cant stand him but i am not confident with him on the ball at all. You look at the composure when Ifil or Seano has the ball, then compare that to heywood. He puts Rhys under pressure when everyone knows his kicking isn't his strongest point he puts balls constantly out to touch when he has time on the ball. His man marking skills are appauling and he drifts to the middle of no where leaving unmarked dangermen in the box, often resulting in them scoring.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: le god cuervo on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:24:53
has to be fallon or igoe for me.

you would have expected fallon to grab his chance at the start of the season but he looked lazy & complacent as if he knew he was guaranteed to play after mooney left. would not be surprised to see him go in the summer.

igoe has been off-form all season & it amazes me why he is still in the team week-in, week-out!? for one of the so-called 'skillful' players in the team he is consistantly disappointing. would rather see howard in his position at the moment. i think igoe will be gone in the summer too.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:25:30
Ifil is just as bad on the ball in my opinion. hes mistake prone


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:28:18
Marie,  I cant believe you just said Heywood has more composure on the ball than Ifill.

Heywood's not exactly Rio Ferdinand himself but Ifill is the least composed proffesional footballer with the ball at his feet that I've ever seen. When he goes past people its only because of his pace and power.

I'd go as far as saying that the bloke is utterly devoid of any technical skill whatsoever.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:35:47
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Marie,  I cant believe you just said Heywood has more composure on the ball than Ifill.

Heywood's not exactly Rio Ferdinand himself but Ifill is the least composed proffesional footballer with the ball at his feet that I've ever seen. When he goes past people its only because of his pace and power.

I'd go as far as saying that the bloke is utterly devoid of any technical skill whatsoever.
exactly Pie i agree


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 13:30:32
I think Heywood and Ifil both have their dodgy moments on the ball. I certainly get very worried when Heywood has the ball at his feet with a striker closing in on him....under pressure he is terrible....At least Ifil has the power and pace to go past someone if need be.

Ifil been good for parts of the season. I wouldnt say he has under achieved, just been inconsistant like our whole fucking team. Notice how Ifil was good at the start of the season, playing well with SeanO then King fucked it all up by moving everyone around to fit Heywood in.

I think Igoe has been terrible this season, his first two home games for us (Sheff Wed and Notts C) he was brilliant and offered us so much, even when he was playing out of position last season on the right he was still playing well. You go back and watch the Brighton second leg and Igoe is everywhere. This season he has been awful on the right, awful in the middle, awful in the hole....yet has featured in most games. I expected much better, I have seen him deliver much better....

Howard, another one....has the talent to be a good forward going player no question....but got far to far up his own arsehole....

Migz has under achieved purely because hes been injured, not his fault but we've missed his class no end this season


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Nils on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 13:46:19
It is a tough call, Ifil is by far the best tackler in the team but Heywood had more of an arial prescence and none of the back 4 in our team can really pick out an amazing pass. One thing that Ifil does have over Heywood is pace!


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 13:46:22
I'd say Evans because he looks a shadow of the player he was for us last season, he's pretty much gone backwards instead of improving - his kicking is worse, his confidence is low, his shot-stopping ability is poor, he's making constant errors, he doesn't even come for crosses anymore.

Considering the form he was in last season compared to this, it's got to be Evans for me.

As for Heywood, I think he's been superb since he's come back to full fitness and has been our best defender the past few months. If he's been playing with an injury for the past couple of seasons - as has been reported - and is now fully recovered then he can only get better I think. No, he's not comfortable on the ball at all but you don't really get defenders at this level who are.

Other nominations would be Fallon, but he's simply not good enough, Howard's attitude is constantly getting worse and in all honesty, very few of our players has improved this season whatsoever.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 13:49:32
I just wish that Heywood and Ifil would get into the "if in doubt boot it out mentality".  I hate to see defenders getting robbed of the ball.  Knock it out and re group.  My Underachiever of the year goes to Jerel Ifil.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 13:57:06
Ifil because we paid 70,000 for his services has to be up there. You can't really blame Fallon for being messed about by King, ditto Nicho.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 13:59:48
I think King's the one being messed about by Fallon.  He hasn't looked interested all season.  You've got a point about Nicho.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 14:01:08
I can blame Fallon alright. He had his chance at the start of the season and totally blew it.  

King might have messed him around a bit but its pretty much deserved for playing crap as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not mentioning Nicholas. Bigstan, Santini and the rest of the Nicho mafia will be after me :|


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Marie on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 15:54:06
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Marie,  I cant believe you just said Heywood has more composure on the ball than Ifill.

Heywood's not exactly Rio Ferdinand himself but Ifill is the least composed proffesional footballer with the ball at his feet that I've ever seen. When he goes past people its only because of his pace and power.

I'd go as far as saying that the bloke is utterly devoid of any technical skill whatsoever.


I dont think thats true at all. You look at what happens when hes under pressure, he'l turn the player and get the ball down the pitch. Heywood would either put the ball on rhys's wrong foot or increase more pressure on our already leaky defence.
I dont know, as i said im biased because i dont rate him at all...but my opinion.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: santini on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 17:32:16
Quote from: "Piemonte"
I'm not mentioning Nicholas. Bigstan, Santini and the rest of the Nicho mafia will be after me :|

Very wise - better safe than sorry :D

Respect the omerta :wink:


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 17:39:42
Has to be Nicholas


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: blinkpip on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 18:58:54
Quote from: "Marie"
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Marie,  I cant believe you just said Heywood has more composure on the ball than Ifill.

Heywood's not exactly Rio Ferdinand himself but Ifill is the least composed proffesional footballer with the ball at his feet that I've ever seen. When he goes past people its only because of his pace and power.

I'd go as far as saying that the bloke is utterly devoid of any technical skill whatsoever.


I dont think thats true at all. You look at what happens when hes under pressure, he'l turn the player and get the ball down the pitch. Heywood would either put the ball on rhys's wrong foot or increase more pressure on our already leaky defence.
I dont know, as i said im biased because i dont rate him at all...but my opinion.

Heywood is one of my players of the season. I think you hate him cos he looks like shrek.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 20:54:44
I like fallon he is good. Maybe I am silly :?:


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Johno on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 21:29:06
maybe you are....


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 21:38:55
There's really no need for hostility towards new members Johno. You're right tough.


Title: Biggest under-achiever this season?
Post by: Johno on Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 21:42:50
okay okay im sorry ill wait till she has 100 posts then....