Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Monkey Butler on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:26:42 Never posted on here before, usually just happy to read the comments of everyone else, but thought this deserved a mention:
Adver SPORTSDESK COMMENT HANDS up who knows the identity, or even nationality, of the new consortium supposedly in the process of taking over at Swindon Town? Lithuanian? American? Martian? Latest rumours seem to suggest this takeover may have its origins in Portugal. But that's just the point. Why are supporters reduced to a guessing game when it comes to finding out who could soon control their beloved club? Did the Glazers remain anonymous while their bid to take control of Manchester United progressed? George Gillett and Tom Hicks at Liverpool? Or Thaksin Shinawatra at Manchester City? Not at all. Their identities were in the public domain long before formalities were completed. Yet all we hear are that new investors' are progressing with due diligence with a view to taking over within eight weeks. With many financial issues to be ironed out maybe this time is needed. And due diligence is, of course, a process that takes place away from public gaze. But there seems little logical reason why the identity of this new consortium needs to be kept a closely-guarded secret. Surely it just invites suspicion that this takeover is not quite what it has been claimed to be? The need for transparency is especially pressing in the light of the letter sent to the club's creditors regarding the issue of the CVA (Company Voluntary Arrangement) balloon payment last week. Administrators urged them to defer the payment of £900,000 by up to another year, no later than May 2008. It is clear Town are requesting the extra time in the belief that this takeover will throw up the funds necessary to settle all outstanding debts. But having seen the club fail to meet its CVA requirement at the end of last month, are creditors not now entitled to more hard facts and information as to just how the club are going to settle these bills before agreeing to such a deferral? Reading some of your excellent responses to our back page story last Friday, it is clear you feel as much. That feedback also threw up a number of questions the Town hierarchy and administrators should be answering with extreme haste, such as: Should negotiations with these new investors break down, how are Town going to meet their responsibilities? Why have the club not provided evidence of the identity of these investors and their ability to repay the CVA to creditors, to aid them in making their decision? If Town are relying on new investment to help pay off the debt, why has the administrator not made any official mention to creditors of the fans' consortium takeover proposal, which also pledged to settle all CVA debts some months ago? Could this deferral proposal be classed as a renegotiation of the CVA, leaving Town open to the possibility of a 10-point deduction under the Football League's rules? The new investors could also do their bit to ease concerns. Accepting that much of the nitty-gritty must stay behind closed doors for now, how about a strong statement of intent to reassure fans and information about their identities and backgrounds? As well as providing a much-needed update, it would surely show creditors there is a better than decent chance of their money being paid back soon. In the absence of this, and given what has transpired in the past, why wouldn't any self-respecting Town creditor move to have the club wound up next month? Meanwhile, the perplexing arrival of Rufus Brevett as Sporting Director' has merely added to the mystery? Putting aside what that role actually entails, is there not a danger - with due respect to Brevett - that this appointment could undermine the good work of Paul Sturrock? How often has appointing anyone over the manager's head ever worked in football? There are plenty of questions to answer - in addition to the ones posed by one of my colleagues earlier this month. Announcing the new consortium's proposed involvement earlier this month, club director Bob Holt proclaimed: "This is fantastic news for all the loyal supporters of Swindon Town Football Club. He went on to add that the move would "disperse forever the dark financial clouds that have for too long hung over the County Ground.'' If true, great. But as one of our correspondents observed last week, "trust us, it'll be alright' does not cut it any more.'' Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: tans on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:28:19 oops ive posted this aswell :oops:
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: lebowski on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:28:42 go on adver, get stuck in my son!
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Monkey Butler on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:29:01 yeah guess we both had the same idea!! Doh
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: mattboyslim on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:32:27 Was just about to post this - good to see a well constructed challenging question from the Adver. Perhaps all I would have added is raising the issue of the keeness of the FC to unveil its investor, now the boots on the other foot we're getting some serious silence from SN1.
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: lebowski on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:34:21 i prefer this thread to the other one, as the title is more descriptive.
welcome on board gaw1978. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: tans on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:35:38 gaw wins
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Monkey Butler on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:36:25 Cheers Lebowski, been browsing for ages and thought today was the time to contribute!!
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Dazzza on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:41:32 Top piece again from Owen.
Should generate a statement this week as a result. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: glos_robin on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:43:14 Quote from: "Dazzza" Top piece again from Owen. Should generate a statement this week as a result. Whether the statement contains any actual information is another matter, I would imagine something vague and dodging issues... Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: lambourn red on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:44:17 I would imagine that the statement is being penned as we speak, probably something along the lines of "The local media continually giving the Club bad press could seriously jeopardise the takeover and SSW will take his ball home and no one will be able to play so there"
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: glos_robin on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:46:15 See Mike Wilkes just posted this on thisis as well....
Quote I know how frustrating this must be for all of you, it is the same for me most of the time! The situation is complicated by ongoing legal action and the consortiums ability to communicate with anyone is severely inhibited by this fact. My response on TEF was a general one in relation to a specific question asked, and was not intended as an update as such. I can say however that we remain commited to bringing an open and inclusive regime to the football club with direct supporter representation and a professional management team in place. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: herthab on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:46:58 Well I'm going to continue my stance of blissful optimism and ignorance.
If this new consortium turns out to be a pile of shite, I'll be as miserable and pissed off as everyone else. But until then.................. :D Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:48:34 Quote from: "glos_robin" See Mike Wilkes just posted this on thisis as well.... Quote I can say however that we remain commited to bringing an open and inclusive regime to the football club with direct supporter representation and a professional management team in place. Well that Sandy, Mike B, Bob and co. out of the door then !!! Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 16, 2007, 11:56:31 I imagine the Sportsdesk were listening to Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls when writing it.
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Arriba on Monday, July 16, 2007, 12:00:03 go adver.some good pieces of late.they seem to be asking the questions most of us want to hear.
hope it continues Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, July 16, 2007, 12:21:26 meeeh. I agree with the sentiment, but it dosnt say anything thats not been said on here 2 weeks ago does it?
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, July 16, 2007, 12:25:36 I think the adver may be slighty more far reaching than the humble TEF though...
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, July 16, 2007, 12:51:27 Quote from: "jayohaitchenn" I think the adver may be slighty more far reaching than the humble TEF though... Agreed, it's great to see the Adver asking real questions rather than just skirting around the issues. I wonder if that's a sign that somebody at the club has upset them as well!! Anyway, keep up the good work Adver, just get it on the front page next time please!! :oTitle: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: sonic youth on Monday, July 16, 2007, 12:57:52 given the club's constant peddling of "we want to be open and communicate with the fans" over the last few years, now would be the perfect opportunity to begin.
unveil the men behind the consortium and give the fans the opportunity to quiz them on their plans for the present, immediate future and long-term future for the club. let the fans gauge opinion and decide if we're happy, this cloak and dagger bullshit isn't helping anyone. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: janaage on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:00:27 This up turn in the quality of articles written in the Adver seems to have a strict relationship with the timing of Mr Ritson's departure. Top work by Owen and Steve of late.
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Luci on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:01:19 Long may it continue...............
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:29:56 Quote from: "janaage" This up turn in the quality of articles written in the Adver seems to have a strict relationship with the timing of Mr Ritson's departure. Top work by Owen and Steve of late. Whilst I agree that they quality of reporting in the Adver has increased immesurably since Ritsons departure it would be a lot more useful if they actually made some attempt to find out the answers to the questions they pose. Virtually anyone on here could have written that article, you would think that the local rag might at least have some fatbury-esque "sauces" Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Tails on Monday, July 16, 2007, 14:36:13 They have tried to get answers. Many times.
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: stfctownenda on Monday, July 16, 2007, 15:54:07 Quote from: "Colin Todd" Quote from: "janaage" This up turn in the quality of articles written in the Adver seems to have a strict relationship with the timing of Mr Ritson's departure. Top work by Owen and Steve of late. Whilst I agree that they quality of reporting in the Adver has increased immesurably since Ritsons departure it would be a lot more useful if they actually made some attempt to find out the answers to the questions they pose. Virtually anyone on here could have written that article, you would think that the local rag might at least have some fatbury-esque "sauces" You would have to say by writing the article they have done exactly that. By asking so many questions and demanding answers in the public eye it will trigger a statement from the clowns at Newbury, we all eagerly await the comedy. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, July 16, 2007, 15:55:25 Quote from: "stfctownenda" Quote from: "Colin Todd" Quote from: "janaage" This up turn in the quality of articles written in the Adver seems to have a strict relationship with the timing of Mr Ritson's departure. Top work by Owen and Steve of late. Whilst I agree that they quality of reporting in the Adver has increased immesurably since Ritsons departure it would be a lot more useful if they actually made some attempt to find out the answers to the questions they pose. Virtually anyone on here could have written that article, you would think that the local rag might at least have some fatbury-esque "sauces" You would have to say by writing the article they have done exactly that. By asking so many questions and demanding answers in the public eye it will trigger a statement from the clowns at Newbury, we all eagerly await the comedy. Lets hope we get some answers soon then. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, July 16, 2007, 15:58:06 It wasn't just ritson's departure though, there was also the thing with Brunel FM. I'm sure that pissed off the adver as much as it did some of you...
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: millom red on Monday, July 16, 2007, 19:13:54 Quote from: "Colin Todd" meeeh. I agree with the sentiment, but it dosnt say anything thats not been said on here 2 weeks ago does it? Or indeed many of the letters that people from here(me included) have had published in the last few weeks. At least they are not being too worried about upsetting the applecart...that in itself makes a pleasant change. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: deltaincline on Monday, July 16, 2007, 22:35:27 Quote It wasn't just ritson's departure though, there was also the thing with Brunel FM. I'm sure that pissed off the adver as much as it did some of you... No doubt about it, the Advertiser boys have upped the ante lately. They are remaining respectful and professional, but they are starting to ask questions that just would not have been posed during the Ritson era. No disrespect to Ritson, but he was a one-sided cunt of a journalist. Long live Hooly and Cryer. Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Dazzza on Monday, July 16, 2007, 22:41:29 The BBC also appear to have upped the ante in the stories they’ve been running of late while the club’s official media partner appear to be towing the clubs line and keeping stum on just about everything if their site is anything to go by.
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: millom red on Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 01:45:13 Forgive me Dazza, but i aint heard or read owt that suggests that the beeb are doing anything different than they have done for the last few years? I may be wrong. Linkage?
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 02:28:29 Over the last few weeks I think that they've been generally more questioning. I don't have any solid links though.
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 14:45:48 They've been pretty sceptical throughout really: remember Ed Hadwin letting Starnes drop himself in it with the "Americans" thing live on radio, then shortly after Christmas they ran the "Diamandis under investigation by DTI" story. Both of which are examples of why Chorley FM will be doing commentary next season
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: sonic youth on Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 22:27:55 cumming in your ears!
Title: Adver Sportsdesk Comment Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 09:02:32 Quote from: "millom red" Forgive me Dazza, but i aint heard or read owt that suggests that the beeb are doing anything different than they have done for the last few years? I may be wrong. Linkage? Nothing earth shattering, it’s still the BBC! But the tone of the stories snaps of those investors and generally allowing the board set themselves up for a fall live on air. |