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I thought they were going to be sent out a few weeks ago but I've had nothing. Incidentally, I don't know Mr Jackson but this truly was a wonderful gesture to a very noble cause that unfortunately most of us have had some experience of.
Is Sandy Gray crossing out our names and replacing them with Bill Power?

God knows. Not had mine yet either. Probably a tactic to stop us getting into the AGM.

I'll give Sandy a ring after lunch......

Blimey..that didn't take you long, congratulations to yourself and Sandy I hope you will both be happy together, long engament is it ?   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

:oops: You know what I mean....

Incidently in Linda Birrell backat the club because I just got through to her voice mail?!

Any luck Batch? I'd love to know what in hell's name is going on with this. Perhaps it's worth us all having a word with the Adver ...?

I'm sure that Linda is not back but they probably don't know how to use the VM without her though !!

I suggest you contact the adver, this is disgusting that it has taken them so long to do something relatively simple

Not yet, she isn't at her desk right now. I'll post back if I get hold of her later.

I don't think there is any need for concern, probably just at the bottom of a very large "to do list"...

FWIW, I spoke to David Jackson about this last week after we were contacted by a couple of fans who'd bought shares through this route who haven't receieved their certificates. He was surprised to hear that people hadn't had their certificates yet but he checked up on it and apparently was told that everyone is listed on the share register, but there's just been a problem issuing the certificates. Hopefully with Sandy now back from holiday that can be resolved - I know David was going to chase on it this week.

As a side note, I think David would be reluctant to see people going to the Adver about it as it may cause embarassment to the Prospect which would be a great shame. On the basis that all too often people just read those kinds of stories quickly and read it as "charity scam" without looking at the details. It would be a real shame if that happened and so inadvertently affected Prospect's fundraising efforts.

Cheers Paul,

I hadn't been able to get hold of her today anyway but I guess this answers it.

Fair enough Paul - Adver comment made it fit of annoyance. You're absolutely right that we shouldn't cast a shadow over a great campaign idea.

Agreed if anything can be attributed to the prospect then that is unfair - they do a great job.

Are we sure they have taken the money as shares or a loan, they seem to be very confused by the difference!

I assume that the share certificates will have to be issued in bulk, at the same time as they issue the share certificate to Bill Power, as I understand he doesnt have one either!

Just bumping this as the accounts are out today and the AGM is coming up. Paul, any news on this?

I only ask as I wondered if we, as shareholders, should have had anything official in the post about the accounts - I've had sod all.

The accounts have been "out" in the sense of having been available from Cos House for a week or so now - we ran a piece on the Trust site on them about a week ago. Once the AGM is announced, the Company Secretary should then write to all shareholders inviting them to the AGM and including a copy of the accounts. According to what we and Dave Jackson have been told by Sandy Gray (the Company Secretary) everyone who donated to Prospect in return for STFC shares should be on that list so yes you should get something through the post. Assuming Sandy's telling the truth and/or hasn't cocked it up.

I reckon Sandy will miss out on about 17.5% of those that should have shares... :--

Thanks Paul - can someone give me a shout if they get anything else shareholder-wise through from the club. I'm convinced these sods are going to screw this up ... Just want to make sure we all don't get missed out!!

I've had enough of the incompetents/deliberate stalling. If anyone wants Sandy Gray's direct line number to ask her WTF is going on PM and I'll see if I can dig it out.The more of us that do the better in my book.

For the benefit of STFC staff forum monitors (!):

The number was given to me by a member of STFC staff under the prevision I didn't make it public - which I have observed.

But I lost it and rang the switchboard number a few times, in the end they volunteered her DDI and so in that book it makes it fair game.

I got to say I'm getting so fucked off with this. Surely when you buy shares there's a time limit for them to send out certificates etc? I know I said I wouldn't, but I'm so close to going to the Adver over this.

I'm a little confused as to who now holds the stock transfer forms. Is it the club? If so, why do they have them (if you pardon my ignorance).

I thought the "seller" sent the stock transfer form to the "buyer" (I know it isn't exactly like a sale/purchase), who then sent it onto the club?
Have the club agreed to sort it out on Mr Jackson's behalf?

God only knows Si. Think this is part of the frustration of the whole thing. Nobody seems to have a Scooby about what's going on.

Dave Jackson filled out all the required paperwork to effect the transfer in Jan/Feb. Sandy Gray as Company Secretary then promised to notify the registrar and get them to send out the certificates to the new shareholders. She says she has done this and that the problem is with the registrar's computer system which has apparently been unable to print certificates, send letters or indeed do anything much for about 7-8 months. I told her over a month ago I found that literally incredible (as in "not credible"). She promised to chase it up and at least get letters sent out to people. Since when, jack shit.

Am I right in saying that these are shares in the Football club itself. The majority of which are held by the holding company. The majority of the shares in the holding company are/ were owned by Wills, Mikey D & co.
We were told that the 3 Amigo's consortium is/ was buying 75% of the holding company from WMD & Co, leaving WMD with 25%.
Separately the club allege that Bill P was sold between 22% & 33% of the shares last year. (Depending which, if any of Bob Holts statements were true )
Perhaps the certificates haven't been issued because Sandy G can't get the percentages to add up to 100% ?! This would also account for the delay in the takeover.

Her abacus probably had a few extra beads on it.

Yes. But this is a wholly separate matter from any takeover. For one thing the number of shares involved is so small as to make no difference whatever. For another, this has been in Sandy's in-tray for the best part of 9 months now, ie well before the Portugeezers were on the scene. It's simple incompetence/laziness <disclaimer>(although not necessarily on Sandy's part)</disclaimer>

I don't know who you were told that by, so far as I know that was only ever a piece of speculation in the press, but I'd be happy to be corrected, there's been so much people have been told as fact about this whole thing that has subsequently turned out to be, erm, less than factual. FWIW, Jim Little told us (and we passed this on to Trust members both at the meeting and in the subsequent email) that the Amigos were buying a majority stake in the football club from the holding co ie they were effectively by-passing the holding co altogether as a vehicle of ownership. Whether that's still the intention is anyone's guess.

Well, I've emailed the club about it with a complaint ... included "strong possible terms" and the threat of going to the press ... we'll see what they say.

I'm a little confused as to how share certificates can be issued without the new owner of the share signing anything. Is it simply a case of not needing to as it is a freebie as it were?




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They've not even asked for a signature, Si ...

Yeah I know, as I'm one of the people waiting

Understand that it's a separate issue, re the prospect shares, but it got me thinking again, on how they can talk percentages that are being bought when they don't know whwho owned what prior to the takeover.
I can't remember where it came from, but think it may well have been one of the first press interviews with Jim Little or could have been Bobby Holt, but those % were definitely mentioned. The question is (as was said by Arthur H at the last TRUST meeting), "What are they buying exactly". I know that if I was dealing with them, I'd want to know the answer as a certainty, not as a "Mikey D is dealing with it", before parting with any readies

Ah cool

Well its only STFC that can make an absolute fuck up of a superb gesture by one of their supporters.  Yet again the fans have been shafted by complete incompetence / apathy / both.
The main thing is that the money has gone to Prospect - thankfully this bipassed the useless lump of shit that is STFC administration. God knows what would have happenened if STFC had to handle the money as well.

Excellent news, my share certificate arrived recorded delivery from the club this morning, so they are a coming.

Thanks Mr. Holborow for sorting this out so quickly, and to Chrish/Paul for chasing it up.

Well done to DJ for giving his shares away in exchange for raising so much money for Prospect too.

Got mine to.

Good news! Well done to this new fella at the club too - perhaps he's the brains in the Sandy "finance for muppets" department!

Does this mean I can now land my Helicopter on the pitch?

Received mine this morning as well - thanks to Chris/Paul for chasing it up.

Notice from the document that the transfer was executed on 19th February !!

Which, by no coincidence, is Prince Andrew's birthday.