Title: Groundshare: important Post by: SwindonStevo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:17:25 Sorry if this has been mentioned in one of the previous threads but to be honest i haven’t got the time/cant be arsed to look through them.
I live on Shrivenham road and have just had my local councillor knocking on my door asking about views on the ground share. She said she’s going to be on BBC recording at 7am tomorrow morning in the county ground car park and is encouraging anyone strongly opposing the ground share to get down there and give their views. I think the emphasis was more on residents but i think she seemed a little surprised at just how opposed a fan was to this move and would encourage anyone against it to get down there for a bit of support. Said she went down the road the vast majority of people were aware of it and strongly opposed. and most importantly she said she spoke to the chief executive of Swindon Town and it was said that the deal could include us moving the new memorial stadium for the duration during the redevelopment of the county ground. Title: Re: Groundshare: important Post by: yeo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:21:44 Quote from: "SwindonStevo" and most importantly she said she spoke to the chief executive of Swindon Town and it was said that the deal could include us moving the new memorial stadium for the duration during the redevelopment of the county ground. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: FUCK THAT! Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:21:58 so your saying if a deal is struck we will groundshare with them if we get the CG redeveloped?
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: SwindonStevo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:23:00 that's what she said yeah
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:23:22 Hasn't anybody told her that 80% of STFC fans are in favour, according to Board member :--
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: SwindonStevo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:24:08 oh and forgot to mention when i said about the police issue she said bristol rovers will only pay for the police inside the ground, not outside...which will be paid by stfc
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: yeo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:27:55 HMM ID OF THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PAID BY OUR cOUNCIL TAX tbh
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:31:07 Sounds to me like a deal is on the table then, just a case of dotting the I's and crossing the t's.
Fuck :x Title: Groundshare: important Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:34:32 I wonder if BBC RS stoked the fires up a bit by inviting the Councillor(s) on to air their views on the subject?
edit: actually, is it radio or TV? Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:44:35 Right this cannot happen, like fuck am I going to the Memorial Ground every couple of weeks it aint exactly a pleasent part of Bristol. This has to be stopped!!!
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: SwindonStevo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:45:40 TV
Title: Re: Groundshare: important Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:48:33 Quote from: "SwindonStevo" 7am tomorrow Even if I knew that turning up would guarantee the board leaving with the consortium taking over the club, the ground share being scrapped and Town achieving at least the play-offs next season. I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't get out of bed. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:55:28 Actually on reflection...............the current board actually redeveloping the County Ground hahahahahaha :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: don't make me laugh!
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 19:59:32 Oh great, for a home match i'd have to drive 60-70 miles to fucking Brizzle.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 20:02:02 Quote from: "Ralphy" Oh great, for a home match i'd have to drive 60-70 miles to fucking Brizzle. I wouldn't worry the current board will never get that far with the ground redevelopment they've got no where in 6 years so can't see that changing........unless of course they expect to be evicted in 2 years time and need a home?! Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 20:21:43 If they've alread agreed the split of policing costs - it sounds done to me. Fan consultation my arse
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 20:23:01 They said they'd consult residents and the council when the possibility turned into a probability. Looks like that process is beginning, unless the council are being pro-active off there own backs just in case.
Tomorrow is Friday, so I'd imagine a statement announcing a fans forum will be forthcoming soon! Have to say I find the prospect of a ground share with Rovers even worse than them coming here! I know we have to play somewhere should the County Ground be redeveloped and so it isn't that easy. Reading would be the obvious first choice, but after that I guess I'd say Cheltenham but that has size limitations then, erm, er... Title: Groundshare: important Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 20:23:17 I thought football clubs only paid for in the ground policing anyway. The outside bit coming from tax payers money. This could be something I made up in my head. Actually that's been happening a lot recently.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:10:45 Quote from: "Batch" They said they'd consult residents and the council when the possibility turned into a probability. Looks like that process is beginning, unless the council are being pro-active off there own backs just in case. They've already done the "consultation" with local residents and councillors - it was the meeting last week when Sandy Gray kicked off by telling them that 80% off fans were in favour. Apparently it went downhill from there. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:23:48 Quote from: "pauld" They've already done the "consultation" with local residents and councillors - it was the meeting last week when Sandy Gray kicked off by telling them that 80% off fans were in favour. Apparently it went downhill from there. That can't be true, only yesterday they said they would only do that if possibility became probability (future tense) ;) Title: Groundshare: important Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:30:12 On the face of it Batch you'd appear to be right - after all, they'd never mislead the fans and the public in a statement on the club website would they? Clearly they intend to do a much more in-depth and broader consultation process with the residents when "done deal" becomes "probability" and last week's effort was just an initial sounding, rather than any form of token effort.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:44:08 I think the human flesh and cute fluffy animal fuelled board PR machine has kicked in and they've realised that just blind announcing it would be approaching new levels of public relations suicide - even for them.
They are now praying that something is going to come up to put a positive spin on the whole thing. It appears the best they have so far is the predicable "we might need to share at the Memorial one day". Good god, even if they managed to pull out starting an actual CG development, do you think they could finish one? I could any move to the Memorial Ground being permanent. Whilst newly appointed head architect, Ms. Sandy Gray, get's a bit confused with the scale of the plans and we get a stadium 3 ft high. Also don't the Rugby Team still play there? Wouldn't it be a bit hard to share a stadium with 2 other weekend sports teams? Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:46:52 I've got a new theory regarding the board...
I think they aim to piss off people about as many things as possible as by doing this it dilutes the level of opposition against any single issue. This enables them to get away with things as insufficient numbers protest against any one wrongdoing as people divide there attention accross a number of areas. If they only pissed us off on a couple of items then they could have a couple of thousand protesting a decision. By spreading it accross 40 or 50 areas people focus on different areas reducing the amount of potential protestors. Thats my theory if it makes sense, very sneaky I say... :mrgreen: Either that or Diamandis is just a CUNT....... actually thats a much better theory. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: SwindonStevo on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:50:37 i vote second theory.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, May 31, 2007, 21:55:07 Quote from: "SwindonStevo" i vote second theory. I agree the 1st one would take some intelligence something no one on our board has shown any signs of during their time at STFC. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Phil_S on Friday, June 1, 2007, 09:12:18 FFS people, the ONLY CG redevelopment that would stand any chance is along the lines of the TRUST blueprint.
The clubs idea of hundreds of houses to rake off massive amounts are pie in the sky. It'll never happen. Given that the redevelopment can happen without a groundshare ! Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, June 1, 2007, 10:11:26 I've had a butchers on the BRFC forums, seems most of their fans want to go to Cheltenham. Hey ho.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Maverick on Friday, June 1, 2007, 10:17:14 Excellent - an opportunity for both Boards to piss of the fans big time as a "united front" against the fans! :(
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: flammableBen on Friday, June 1, 2007, 11:39:46 Did anybody go at 7am this morning?
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Maverick on Friday, June 1, 2007, 11:44:29 Quote from: "flammableBen" Did anybody go at 7am this morning? Yes - always do just after I get up for work! :D Title: Groundshare: important Post by: flammableBen on Friday, June 1, 2007, 11:49:49 Quote from: "Maverick" Quote from: "flammableBen" Did anybody go at 7am this morning? Yes - always do just after I get up for work! :D http://www.peoplesrepublicofdis.co.uk/albums/album16/tumbleweed.sized.jpeg Title: Groundshare: important Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, June 1, 2007, 12:55:22 Quote from: flammableBen Quote from: "Maverick" Quote from: "flammableBen" Did anybody go at 7am this morning? Yes - always do just after I get up for work! :D Guess you really mean the radio interview. About five local residents and two ward councillors (one conservative and one labour), they were all 100% against it! Nobody from the club, obviously Diamond Mike and his cronies too busy counting their share of the monies! Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Power to people on Friday, June 1, 2007, 14:28:38 Quote from: "Maverick" Quote from: "flammableBen" Did anybody go at 7am this morning? Yes - always do just after I get up for work! :D Fcuking 'ell that was so funny I nearly laughed Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Phil_S on Friday, June 1, 2007, 15:23:25 Good comment by the columnist in todays adver... Can't find it online yet, but basically says only the board want it and its for the money.
It says that the board should come clean about it. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: millom red on Saturday, June 2, 2007, 16:21:12 Quote from: "Phil_S" Good comment by the columnist in todays adver... Can't find it online yet, but basically says only the board want it and its for the money. It says that the board should come clean about it. Surprise-Surprise...... Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Phil_S on Monday, June 4, 2007, 08:19:17 Western Daily Press have a front page Headline article on it.
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=146238&command=displayContent&sourceNode=146064&contentPK=17478548&folderPk=100268&pNodeId=145795 Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Ardiles on Monday, June 4, 2007, 08:43:00 Quote from: "Phil_S" Western Daily Press have a front page Headline article on it. http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=146238&command=displayContent&sourceNode=146064&contentPK=17478548&folderPk=100268&pNodeId=145795 Note to current board of STFC When everybody else seems opposed to this scheme, it's probably everyone else who is right and you who are wrong. The sooner you U-turn on this, the less painful it will be for you. EDIT: Seems Mark Devlin is in favour though (in today's Adver). Well that one certainly took me by surprise. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: red macca on Monday, June 4, 2007, 08:52:35 Quote from: "Ardiles" Quote from: "Phil_S" Western Daily Press have a front page Headline article on it. http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=146238&command=displayContent&sourceNode=146064&contentPK=17478548&folderPk=100268&pNodeId=145795 Note to current board of STFC When everybody else seems opposed to this scheme, it's probably everyone else who is right and you who are wrong. The sooner you U-turn on this, the less painful it will be for you. EDIT: Seems Mark Devlin is in favour though (in today's Adver). Well that one certainly took me by surprise. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: McLovin on Monday, June 4, 2007, 08:55:13 The bit that annoyed me about the WDP story was:
Quote "We have told the club that the residents are overwhelmingly against it. At the moment the residents only have to suffer a match every second Saturday - a ground-share would ruin their lives." I'm sorry, but 'suffering' a game every other week sounds a bit dramatic. The club was there when they moved in, so they're causing their own 'suffering'. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: red macca on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:00:23 Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant" The bit that annoyed me about the WDP story was: I agree they should not really have any complaints about the situation as it is but i can fully understand the point about 1 or 2 games every week tbhQuote "We have told the club that the residents are overwhelmingly against it. At the moment the residents only have to suffer a match every second Saturday - a ground-share would ruin their lives." I'm sorry, but 'suffering' a game every other week sounds a bit dramatic. The club was there when they moved in, so they're causing their own 'suffering'. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Batch on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:01:28 Mr Devlin's view,
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/headlines/display.var.1444092.0.swindon_town_devlin_backs_groundshare.php Quote FORMER Town chief executive Mark Devlin believes opening the County Ground doors to Bristol Rovers could make sense' - as long as the club cover all angles during the decision process. Devlin, who resigned his post at Town in February, was chief executive at Queens Park Rangers when they shared Loftus Road with London rivals Fulham between 2002 and 2004 and insists it worked well for the landlords. With discussions ongoing between Rovers and Swindon about a potential 18-month groundshare from December, Town fans and residents are already protesting but Devlin has urged the fans not to rule it out straightaway. He said: "The groundshare worked very well with Fulham when I was at QPR. The pitch held up well and there were no instances of crowd trouble. "We had also had Wasps rugby club sharing with us before that and I don't think there was any trouble in either case. "It certainly made financial sense for QPR and being honest I think Rangers probably could have earnt a bit more out of it. advertisement "I don't think any problem is insurmountable. There is a lot Town need to make sure of before any decision, and I am sure they are doing that, but it could be a lucrative decision." The main concern among Town fans seem to be the potential of crowd trouble, after recent history between the two groups of supporters, and Devlin conceded that has to be looked into. He said: "There have been problems between Swindon and Rovers in the past but the club know that and will be asking the right questions to the relevant people. "There were objections when it happened at Loftus Road from supporters and residents but their concerns proved unfounded. "At QPR we had to put into place initiatives, like a litter collection programme, for the local community. There were also parking issues but like I said it can be worked out." The ability of the County Ground to stand up to the extra wear and tear is another concern, but Devlin has backed up Town groundsman Marcus Cassidy's view that it can cope. Devlin said: "I brought Sportsturf to Swindon and they have experience of working on pitches that have two teams playing on it. "You would not want reserve games on it and I would think Rovers' reserves would be told to play elsewhere. Perhaps Swindon could move their reserves game elsewhere as well. "But if Swindon want to share with Rovers and it makes financial sense then I am sure there is a way to make it a success." Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Ardiles on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:07:52 Re: Devlin's view - there's something going on here that's obviously too subtle for me to understand. Why would Mark D endorse a scheme that could buy Diamandis & Co a little more time?
Anyone (cleverer than me) care to take a guess as to what is going on? Title: Groundshare: important Post by: McLovin on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:11:52 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant" The bit that annoyed me about the WDP story was: I agree they should not really have any complaints about the situation as it is but i can fully understand the point about 1 or 2 games every week tbhQuote "We have told the club that the residents are overwhelmingly against it. At the moment the residents only have to suffer a match every second Saturday - a ground-share would ruin their lives." I'm sorry, but 'suffering' a game every other week sounds a bit dramatic. The club was there when they moved in, so they're causing their own 'suffering'. Oh i fully understand the desire to not have it every week, i was just a bit peeved with their apparant 'suffering' as it is at the moment... Title: Groundshare: important Post by: red macca on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:12:29 Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant" Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant" The bit that annoyed me about the WDP story was: I agree they should not really have any complaints about the situation as it is but i can fully understand the point about 1 or 2 games every week tbhQuote "We have told the club that the residents are overwhelmingly against it. At the moment the residents only have to suffer a match every second Saturday - a ground-share would ruin their lives." I'm sorry, but 'suffering' a game every other week sounds a bit dramatic. The club was there when they moved in, so they're causing their own 'suffering'. Oh i fully understand the desire to not have it every week, i was just a bit peeved with their apparant 'suffering' as it is at the moment... Title: Groundshare: important Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:50:44 I think Devlin's view is fairly reasoned. My summary is he was asked for an opinion and gave his onw personal view that if it all stacked up then why not. It does acknowledge the problems though, and his woridng is all based on the Board being able to make the right decisions (that's the bit we know they have a few problems with).
I've never been hugely anti the idea, just fell on the against side of the fecne because the concerns of residents could impact development of the CG in the future. If the club came out and said the deal was worth £500k a year, then I might well say it was worth a go. Don't forget Devlin is not directly involved in the Consortium, so is free to express his own personal views. It's entirely possible he would argue in favour of a groundshare even if employed by Power. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Batch on Monday, June 4, 2007, 09:59:48 Fair comments Rob.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Roddy_Radiation on Monday, June 4, 2007, 10:32:46 One of the main differences between the QPR/Fulham ground share and the possible Town/Rovers one is that the Fulham games would have involved the same police force whether they were at Loftus Road or Craven Cottage hence the finances and manpower of the police were already in place. In our case it will probably be up to the local taxpayers to pick up the extra cost of policing away from the ground which is where most football trouble happens.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Monday, June 4, 2007, 11:45:24 Appreciate Marks points but from the interviews last week the local residents are fiercely opposed to this groundshare so it really isn't a good idea if we want to 'keep Swindon in Swindon'
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Mark D on Monday, June 4, 2007, 11:51:03 Can I put it into context please chaps. I was called yesterday and asked whether I was at QPR when they shared with Fulham or Wasps. When I answered that I was, I was then asked if it had worked ok. And the truth of the matter is that ,operationally, it went fine. There were a few teething problems and It required a lot of work with the residents, groundstaff and local authorities, and Fulham fans do not have history of causing problems (that I'm aware of). Rangers fans, whilst not happy to share the ground, were less anti when they felt the club was receiving decent money for the share. I do not know any of details of the proposed groundshare between Swindon and BRFC so I cannot comment on whether this particular arrangement would be good/bad or indifferent.
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, June 4, 2007, 11:58:27 So they completely quoted you out of context then Mark.
Same old Adver then :D Title: Groundshare: important Post by: glos_robin on Monday, June 4, 2007, 11:59:25 Quote from: "Mark D" Can I put it into context please chaps. I was called yesterday and asked whether I was at QPR when they shared with Fulham or Wasps. When I answered that I was, I was then asked if it had worked ok. And the truth of the matter is that ,operationally, it went fine. There were a few teething problems and It required a lot of work with the residents, groundstaff and local authorities, and Fulham fans do not have history of causing problems (that I'm aware of). Rangers fans, whilst not happy to share the ground, were less anti when they felt the club was receiving decent money for the share. I do not know any of details of the proposed groundshare between Swindon and BRFC so I cannot comment on whether this particular arrangement would be good/bad or indifferent. Well the board have done little or no work with those stakeholders so the ground share would be a disaster. Cheers for your clarification though Mark sounds like the adver have made a bit of a story from nothing and the piece is slightly misleading. Title: Groundshare: important Post by: broomfield on Monday, June 4, 2007, 12:19:37 Thanks for that Mark.
Good to know you're still taking an interest. See you soon perhaps??? Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Sippo on Monday, June 4, 2007, 12:50:17 Mark D just gets better and better! :bow1:
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, June 4, 2007, 13:33:51 Apparently Rovers are making 'an announcement' tomorrow at 9am, so hopefully things will be a lot clearer then.....
Title: Groundshare: important Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, June 4, 2007, 13:57:50 Found this as well :
http://www.thisisbristol.com/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144913&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231190&home=yes&more_nodeId1=144922&contentPK=17482379 |